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Scientific Study On Magic Mushrooms Makes Big News

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Peacefroggie Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2006
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This thing here is big news to me, for one I'm shocked that anyone was allowed to do such a study. But for two, this only reinforces something real important about brain chemistry. The experiences that we have and the way in which we perceive things are dictated by the distribution of chemicals in our brains. "You could be a piece of fish, or a bit of old cheese," as Ebenezer Scrooge might say. The only difference between seeing a vegetable garden house and family, and the divine collective unity of all creation, is eating a little fuckin slightly-toxic mushroom.

And look at what these people, who are apparently just regular folks, say:

"Many of the 36 volunteers rated their reaction to a single dose of the drug, called psilocybin, as one of the most meaningful or spiritually significant experiences of their lives. Some compared it to the birth of a child or the death of a parent."

"most of the volunteers said the experience had changed them in beneficial ways, such as making them more compassionate, loving, optimistic and patient. Family members and friends said they noticed a difference, too."

"Two-thirds called their reaction to psilocybin one of the five top most meaningful experiences of their lives. On another measure, one-third called it the most spiritually significant experience of their lives, with another 40 percent ranking it in the top five."

"experience included such things as a sense of pure awareness and a merging with ultimate reality, a transcendence of time and space, a feeling of sacredness or awe, and deeply felt positive mood like joy, peace and love. People say "they can't possibly put it into words," Griffiths said."


Now I know what these people experienced, having maybe eaten a few magic mushrooms a time or two myself...but I'll be honest, seeing it on CNN sent big fuckin shivers right down my spine and made all the nerves in my body tingle.
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mykel Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2008  Professional General Artist
:lock: Old topic.
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etherealspace Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2008   Photographer
the simple fact is that no one NEEDS to take drugs like shrooms, acid, or DMT, or anything else you can think of. it is a choice you make, and it is not a shortcut to or from anything. as modern human beings, living in the overly developed, desensitized, superficial society that we live in, we are actually detached from reality thanks to such a large majority of what we come in contact with every day being unnatural material, whether we're talking about tangible technology or the psychological effects the said technology has on us. my friend just told me today about his personal experience with shrooms, and made me understand it much more clearly. he said that while he was tripping, things that should not bother us but do for some irrational reason, did not even enter his mind as negative things. for example, he was at a nature preserve, and there were mosquitoes and other bugs all over the place and all over him and his friend, and instead of being annoyed or disgusted by them as we normally are, he was absolutely fine with it. he felt completely at one with them, as we should be, if you think about it- we are, after all, made of the same natural matter. humans have this sense that we are somehow above nature, or more advanced than nature, cleaner than nature, in some way not 100% natural. I'm not explaining it nearly as well as he did, but if you really think about it, that is an incredibly desirable thing to be able to see so clearly and feel and experience. the real connection that made me see the significance of what he was saying was, if you think about it, when we were less intellectually developed (say somewhere in between caveman and modern humans) we were definitely in that same state of mind which my friend got to experience. the way we are now is NOT completely naturally, and is only getting further and further removed as time goes on from what our natural perception of the world and ourselves should be, would be, and has been. so, think of a drug such as shrooms as a way to break through our flawed, overcomplicated, detached modern lives and get in touch with what actually matters to the rest of the universe. not as something that we use to detach ourselves from reality, because it is quite the opposite.
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RealityUnfiltered Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2007
Why does it matter if its an old thread? the topic is still interesting.
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DrinkTheSun Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2007
yeah they're fun. what i love is seeing the similar conclusions buddhist monks meditating and silly kids tripping on shrooms come to. i'm sure that the buddhist monks having the epiphanies through the power of their own mind and not the influence of foreign chemicals are much wiser, but it's still fun to see the similarities.
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OuroborosCobra Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2007
Every time you revive an old thread God kills a baby. Think of the babies.
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DrinkTheSun Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2007
someone else did it! it wasn't me. i didn't know it was old. it was on the front page and i am bad at looking at dates.

but babies won't convince me not to, for future reference.
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MaskInfusion Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2006
Trivia: Cary Grant took LSD under a pychiatrists supervision. He loved it.
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Peacefroggie Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2006
On his deathbed, Aldous Huxley had his doctor inject him with pure liquid LSD.
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MaskInfusion Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2006
Hawt Patootie!:omg:
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fourteenthstar Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2006
I'm shocked that anyone was allowed to do such a study How so?

Drugs considered 'recreational' now a deep routed history in experiments used to identify the effect on the mind, particularly in relationship counselling. Check out the history of MDMA development where it was frequently used in psychotherapy and person centred counselling.

I think we need to move away from demonising substances which used correctly and under proper supervision might actually open up people's minds.
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Peacefroggie Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2006
Well let's consider for a moment how backwards and crazy the American government is on the matter of illegal drugs and drug research...now think about the Federal Government actually FUNDING a study like this...that it happened is incredible. I'm surprised the DEA didn't raid John Hopkins.
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fourteenthstar Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2006
good point lol
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allyhodges Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2006
Sounds really interesting, but I'd probably be too chicken to try it, I'm really afraid of side effects and I've aquaintanced with people who have died from stimulants like speed.
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Ljudska Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2006
No matter how many medical studies there are proving the contrary, some people will never be convinced that psychedelics (or scheduled psychoactive drugs of any kind, really) are anything short of evil.
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SLOShooter Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2006
Only cause of the stigma surrounding them. tattoes used to have the same steretype but now they're almost acceptable.

One day, it could change.
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rubbe Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2006  Professional General Artist
hmm... seems intresting would like too try it? but it seems risky.
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Peacefroggie Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2006
More info: [link]
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Peacefroggie Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2006
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Read this article, despite the medical/therapeutic attention paid to mushrooms, the US government still actively prosecutes known users and promoters of magic mushrooms.
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empchang Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2006
this is really kind of old news.

there has been an ongoing study of psilocyban in north carolina for some time now.
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Peacefroggie Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2006
Well of course it's old news, people have been eating mushrooms in religious rituals for thousands of years. Hell Tim Leary only got all crazy enlightened-like after he went to some kind of mushroom ceremony on vacation in Mexico. This is the first time I've seen a study about em on CNN though.
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Demi-Urge Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2006
"The experiences that we have and the way in which we perceive things are dictated by the distribution of chemicals in our brains."

*Your brain is electro-chemical in nature. You can also produce altered states with disruptions or sychronization with EM fields.
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Panpanther Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2006
i ate mushrooms for the first time about 14 months ago, and it was great. since then i've done it 3 more times and each time was fantastic, although the last two were significantly less profound.

i think it's a terriffic "drug" that should be decriminalized.
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MaskInfusion Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2006
I would say that the biggest benefit of psychedelics is that they show the person what their own mind is capable of. The challenge is then to tune the mind toward that goal through a spiritual discipline.

It's like the differance between climbing a mountain and taking a helicopter to the top. The climber learns the terrain.
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beta3 Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2006
So THAT'S how one becomes a liberal! It's so clear now. I just KNEW that there had to be some sort of drug involved in altering the natural state of the human psyche so drastically, and they finally found it. Congratulations to them :)
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Peacefroggie Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2006
Mmmm the irony is delicious :)
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originalnasadude Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2006
I KNOW you are some sort of overly patriotic conservative nutjob. But hey! I am too! So it's all good! :)
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beta3 Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2006
You can't be overly-patriotic anyway. Whoever came up with that one is incredibly ignorant.

Seriously, though... What does George Washington growing hemp have to do with me cracking a joke about liberals eating shrooms? I don't get it.
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originalnasadude Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2006
I don't get it either. OMG....GET YOUR HANDS OFF ME YOU DAMNED DIRTY APE! :-O
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foxenigma Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2006
Ann Coulter fan or what? In general conversations, it's considered rude to mock political ideologies unless you're sure to be with those who agree with you. And for your probably patriotic information, Georges Washington was a known smocker and grower of hemp. Read his diaries. :)
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beta3 Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2006
What does hemp have to do with magic mushrooms?
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foxenigma Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2006
it contains thc, a psychoactive substance. Hallucinogen mushrooms also contain psychoactive substances.
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beta3 Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2006
I really don't understand what George Washington growing hemp has to do with anything. Are you assuming that I'm some sort of overly-patriotic conservative nutjob?
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foxenigma Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2006
I must admit that you sounded like one, but I would be more than glad to be proven wrong :)
If you aren't, well I'm sorry I treated you like one.
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globalninja Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2006   Digital Artist
The consumption of psycodelics should always be carfully thought out and concidered.
Please people reasurch about any drug you are going/thinking of tring. And when taking psycodelics make sure you are in a positive frame of mind and a place where you feel safe. They tap into your subconsious so if your in a bad spot in life, the trip will reflect that and you could really scare the shit out of yourself, or possibly do permanet damage. I've seen people freak out because they did not respect their own mind, feelings and most importantly the drugs they took.

Drugs are fun and can beinfit those that take them, but they can also damage those that take them.
Remember drugs are not life, nor a substitute for it.

RESPECT WHAT YOU USE when you don't is when you get into trouble, too many find that out the hard way.
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Shidaku Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2006
theres no real way to actually measure what they're experiancing, or the relative importantness of what they're basing the argument that 'shrooms are great against. In short, the experiment was not scientifcly accruate, since any dumbfuck who knows two cents about the brain can tell you that various chemicals can mess up the delicate balance of chemiclas that already exist in your brain causeing your percpetions to go all wonky.

this dosent prove that shrooms are good or some magical path to enlightenment, it just means that a bunch of voluenteers got to do drugs and then said it rocked.
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Peacefroggie Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2006
In psychology it's not always possible to do the really strictly scientific sort of tests you can do in the other sciences. Often you have to rely on a subject's description of what they are going through. Like say someone has a brain injury that alters their behaviour, you'd definitely have to take into account their description of their own mental state as well as look at what had physically changed in the brain. In this case, a group consensus as to what the experience felt like subjectively is enough to conclude that, as the study does, that drugs can cause powerful "mustical experiences."
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Shidaku Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2006
true, but we all know that 'shrooms contain chemicals that affect your brain, and the resulting experiances you feel are caused by the brain activity triggered by the change in chemical levels. I dont recall if actual scans of brain activity were done in this study, but I feel they are necessary.

If this drug does indeed activate a "positive" portion of the brain, then it should be made known what part of the brain that is, so that perhaps we can engineer something that is less toxic, but just as effective, and perhaps do some good.
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Peacefroggie Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2006
Sure, we know to some degree what goes on in the brain with psychedelics...they cause the brain to release an excess of serotonin. Obviously there are other factors involved which are less understood due to the 40-year research ban. But the guy who did the John Hopkins study wants to do more research including MRI scans, etc., as soon as he can get government approval and more funding. Could be tricky though...FOX News already has a headline reporting that psilocybin causes a high that lasts for months :)
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evolvearth Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2006
Not exactly a fair assessment. The entire purpose is for people to have positive experiences. Human behavior is predictable at a certain point, and professionals, while not at 100% accuracy, generally are good at picking out the liars. If the volunteers claimed to have positive experiences, then what is wrong with relying on that data? While positive experiences are relative to people, they are mostly similar than they are different. If more studies are conducted, more results come in. If the volunteers continue to praise the effects of the drug, then that adds to the credibility.

I think it is more hopeful than realistic to assume that human experiences cannot be quantified in any meaningful way. We're still products of nature and are far more similar than different. Humans are predictable creatures, and I think that grinds of the nerves of many. Therapy and medicine seem to be pretty effective because of studies like these.
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Shidaku Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2006
perhaps, but I still think that without actual brain chemical level testing the results are questionable. Maybe I'm asking for them to cut open people's heads and see what's ticking. Perhaps a cat scan of the active brain areas during the experiances and then their responses afterward to see what areas activate, and why pleasureable, instead of negative experiances are brought about.

But more to the point is that I have never liked the idea of chemicla use, be them illegial or legal ones to improve the way you see the world. There are people who need drugs to make their brain function in the same ways as everyone else, but I dont think that because "life sucks" or that the world is harsh should be an excuse to screw with your mind in order to avoid it. Avoidance is no better than apathy and apathy is bad.

Also, it brings up too many mental images of Brave New World where everyone does drugs and nobody cares whats going on cause everyone is "happy" all the time. There's actually a song about that in Secret of NIMH 2, relating to the electroshock therapy that was so prevalent in the past, it was a twisted and creepy song, especially for an animated show.
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Peacefroggie Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2006
Yes, except in Brave New World the drug they took ditracted them from what was heppening...psychedelics turn you inwards and force you to reflect on yourself. I don't see how they would possibly act like in Brave New World, they're too profound and difficult and frightening. Huxley wrote Brave New World early on in his life, but he wrote Island later on, after he'd experimented with Mescaline...and it offers a much more positive take on the possibilities of drug use in society.
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Shidaku Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2006
Maybe he just did it to show there were different possibilities. Youd have to ask him if drug use improved him. As you said, testimony is about all you've got to go on.

I wouldnt say that all drugs affect all people the same ways, which is one of the main problems with relying on tesitmony, it would be better to see how the brain was actually reacting.
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Peacefroggie Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2006
Well that's why you ask a wide variety of people...then you can establish common elements in their testimony, which makes for reasonably convincing evidence. Combine that with some MRI imaging or some sort of brain scan, and you've got some seriously good scientific information to base your assumptions on, right?
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Shidaku Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2006
yes that sounds pretty correct.
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disintegration Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2006  Hobbyist General Artist
It's interesting that they're analyzing this stuff properly, but it's rather dodgy because the psychedelic experience can't be measured by any mean. If they measured their brain activity during the trip and got information on how the drug affects the brain, good. Otherwise, all they got was a bunch of anecdotal evidence that is next to useless for proper medical/scientifical investigation.

"most of the volunteers said the experience had changed them in beneficial ways, such as making them more compassionate, loving, optimistic and patient.

Most people say the same thing after having any kind of experience that made them ponder about their life. For example, a major car crash that put them close to death.
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MaskInfusion Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2006
There are some human experiences that are not quantifiable nor subject to inspection in a petri dish.
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Shidaku Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2006
then such experiences should not be used in a scientific study.
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disintegration Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2006  Hobbyist General Artist
No shit? :omfg:
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MaskInfusion Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2006
Try to think of the mushroom experience like the Matrix; no one can tell you about it, you have to go through it yourself.

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This is a link to all you need to know about Terrence Mckenna and mushrooms.

I encourage the curious to approach the experience with a serious mind, rather than as a party favor (at least initially.)

Fast at least 4-6 hours beforehand. If you chew up those foul-tasting shrooms with pure grape juice, it is much less awful.

You should start to :yawn: in about 45-55 minutes, which will herald the oncoming of the experience.:floating:

As with any psychedelic, be in a safe, comfortable place :stereo: with at least one very close friend :teddy: when you don't have any appointments for the next 18 hours. The length of the experience itself will vary, but you want a nice long cool down period afterwards with no responsibilities. Have some wholesome food available afterwards, as you won't want to eat during the trip (count on at 3-4 hours at least) and you will be hungry later.

DO NOT TAKE ANYTHING ELSE with the shrooms, especially ALCOHOL.:skullbones:

As you decompress and come down toward the end, a little :weed: can be relaxing and even extend the experience somewhat.

Set up your trip space. If you are an artist, have your pencils and pad ready. Everyone should at least try to write a few things down during the trip. A trip guide friend can help to remind you.

Compared to LSD, which is often described as having and "electric" quality, I have often heard the shroom trip described as "creamy." It is certainly a much gentler trip.

The only instance I ever heard of a person having a "bad trip" on shrooms was a girl who was asthmatic, and had an attack without her inhaler available.

Shrooms are a chemical key to unlocking something inside you. Don't blame the key for the contents. If you don't like what you see when you look within yourself, you will not like mushrooms and you will HATE LSD.:analprobestare:

As to the validity of the experience, it is without a doubt mystical, though invoked through the chemical in the mushroom. It opens a door that would take most people years or even a lifetime of a spiritual discipline :pray:such as meditation. For those who are not ready for it, the experience can be terrible.:sunnysideup: Such a thing is akin to tearing a butterfly from the chrysalis before it's time. But for those who are ready to go to the next level, the experience is life transforming.:love: :heart: :butterflytwo:

In preparation for a shroom trip, I would workout and run, do 45 minutes of Hatha Yoga to relax my body, and then at least an hour of zen meditation.:meditate: I have also take shroom and spent time in an isolation (flotation) tank. But that's another story…:meditation:
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disintegration Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2006  Hobbyist General Artist
So, basically... it's a mystical experience, but only for those who are predisposed into that line of thought?
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