Is violence ever justifiable if it is not in self defence ?
so , from what i gather a guy was killed by corrupt police , & people are protesting this .. sayin that all cops are bad , etc ...
now , of course what happened was very very tragic and there will be peaceful protests and there's no issue with that but , what about burning down buildings , violent riots , looting , etc ?
is an act of violence ever justifiable , if it is not in self defence ?
will destroying cities cause more harm than good ?
in your opinion , when is violence fully justifiable ?
do you believe that two wrongs make a right ?
in my personal opinion ;
i am buddhist and a pacifist ..
violence is never okay .. unless it is in a life or death self defence situation ..
Whether it is purely incompetence, intentionally racism motivated, or unintentionally racism motivated, is not within my capacity to comment at.
(Btw, the last of which is arguably scariest, as it means racism is so internalised that people don't even know it's wrong thing. Like netwingers I have seen that couldn't even comprehend that they're shitty xenophobe to other Asians)
I'll Quote Sergeant Alvin York, recipient of the Metal of Honor and was drafted as a conscientious objector back in WW1.
"I'm a believin' that this here life we're living is something the Lord done give us, and we got to be a-living it as best we can — and I'm figuring that killing other folks is no part of what he was intending us to be a-doing here."
The man single handedly captured 132 men and attacked 3 different machine gun emplacement.
"I figured them guns was killin' hundreds, maybe thousands, and there weren't nothin' anybody could do, but to stop them guns. And that's what I done."
Quite a contradictory statement. But the point is he was motivated to kill to save more lives than end.
cops giving them justification for what happened. Generally speaking, our cops are given
great latitude for performing violence, but have little accountability. Corrupt indicates that
the actions were outside acceptable behavior.... these cops believed what they did was completely
within their purview.
So it's more a war on truth.
To answer your questions (which I presume covers more than our many, many guns):
1) nope, engaging in violence outside of personal defense (or the defense of another) is a choice strictly for the lowly intelligent
2) cities being destroyed is terrorism (or in this case, anarchy) being realized, so yes
3) in my opinion, violence is only justifiable while hunting and in defense purposes - and IF no other option is available
4) no. There's a huge difference between justice and arrogance. See previous three responses
for example theres bad doctors and nurses whove killed people , but i dont fear my doctor is going to prescribe me pills that will kill me for example .. cause more people are good then bad and it is just healthier overall to try & see the good in people than overtly focus on the negatives .
there will be corruption in any demographic where power over others is given , but that doesn't mean they're some kinda hivemind who are all bad guys ..
i also agree w/ all your other responses .
many of George Floyd's relatives spoke out about this and .. they said he was against any type of violence & he would not of wanted to see cities being burned to the ground because of what happened .
sofar in my country we've only seen peaceful protests that get the message across better than burning down the victim's own city ..
Amazing how much better the victim's family is handling the situation than everyone trying to avenge him, especially those who are going around and actually destroying the country
- Yes, cities don't just appear. Also see side note
- <reference>If you kill 1 million people to save 10 million people</reference>
- Generally no
Side note, there's talk of protesters attacking private properties. Large companies sure, orange ape will definitely notice when his elite clique is in trouble. People's livelihoods don't directly get threatened. Properties owned by normal civilians are a no-no.
If you are a protester, attacking your fellow normal people is:
- Not justifiable in any way
- Comparable to terrorism in a way (attacking civilian easy targets)
- Friendly fire (there are people working for the same goal as you, you don't want them to turn, do you?)
- Useless (duck won't do anything because it's not an issue to him)
tl;dr don't loot small bois, only big bois
The disgusting murder of poor mr Floyd was revolting, cowardish violence. Totally unjustifiable. The people who are outraged about it and demonstrate, at least most of them, are peaceful. The violence against them is also completely unjustifiable.
The destroying of property isn't justifiable either. I don't really understand why the Americans do that; the looting I can understand a bit, because of the extreme poverty of such a large part of the population, especially the black part, who are economically and educationally discriminated against. But understanding doesn't mean approving.
In Hong Kong, the people are very angry as well, but they don't loot. In France, the revolt of the Gilets Jaunes was very fierce also, and there was destruction by an anarchistic movement that took advantage of the revolt; but there was not looting. The explanation for this is that in France, nor in Hong Kong, there is no half of the population that is like a hundred times more miserable than the other half, solely because of the color of their skin.
i cried for what happened with Floyd cause it seems like we was a gentle carefree type of guy who like me , was against any type of violence .. & his family members said , Floyd would not of wanted to see his own city and country be torn apart as a result ..
all i know is , there have been protests in my country but they are peaceful protests only ;
www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0k76t…
i understand people are really angry & frustrated but , i think the violence just adds to the turmoil rather than resolving anything at this time ..
Americans are not like Japanese, Evilsan. Nor are they like Europeans. We demonstrate too, sometimes very fiercely; but we never go as far as destroying an entire neighbourhood.
Also, we don't loot, but that's because we are a lot less poor than a vast majority of the (mainly black) population in the States! If you have everything you need to live, you're not going to risk your life and your freedom to break into a shop and steal a refrigerator or a microwave, are you... risk being arrested and put into prison for some material property!
You only do that when your're desperately poor. I guess those people, we mustn't compare them to us or to you Nihonjintachi, but to like, people in Bangladesh or Nigeria or Brazil...
will destroying cities cause more harm than good ?
in your opinion , when is violence fully justifiable ?
do you believe that two wrongs make a right ?
1. Justifable in defending someone else.
2. More harm
3. Look at point 1.
4. Depens on situation.
Don't get stuck on the self defense thing. Violence either *can* or *can not* have a positive outcome.
will destroying cities cause more harm than good ?
Does property damage outweigh life ? Do the protests even *destroy* cities ? Can a protest even *destroy* a city ?
in your opinion , when is violence fully justifiable ?
When the result of the violence is more positive then not doing the violence.
do you believe that two wrongs make a right ?
No. Do you believe that inaction is a action ?
If the protests succeed at pushing the government to reforming the police into an institution that doesn't kill and harm innocent people. And the amount of lifes saved outnumbers the amount of lifes lost. The violence of the protests (if any caused by the protesters) will be justified.
Why do we see a recording of somebody in full protective gear including professional gasmasks damaging private property, then leaving ? In that case the guy was even identified as policeman by his ex-wife.
Either way, whether the rioting is provoked or spontaneous, it seems very much like self-defence to me.
The competitions are violent and not in self-defense, but it's consensual violence. I would argue that they're totally fine.
But to _actually_ answer your questions:
- Depends on what you mean by self-defense. If it's only direct harm against you physically, I would say that's not the only justifiable option. I would argue that slavery was not something that could have been ended without conflict. If you've tried diplomacy and failed, violence is sometimes the only language that people will listen to.
- Yes, it does more harm than good to destroy a city. While I think violence can be an answer, even if it's one of the last answers to pick, it has to be organized violence specifically targeting the actual root of the problem. Burning random shops is not going to make the police behave themselves, and most of the looters do not actually care about the protest - they're just using it as a distraction.
- Violence is justifiable when diplomacy fails repeatedly and the offender's offences caused a significant amount of damage to the lives of others.
- That's a very simplistic way to view it. If committing a "wrong" prevents someone from committing even more wrongs in the future, then from a broader point of view your "wrong" was the right thing to do.
All of that said, I share the fairly common opinion that the protests are fine and the looting is not.