Dark lies about brexit and Project Phobia


bcrbuio3tvrbvt's avatar
If the project fear 3.0 mongering about #Brexit wasn't bad enough the hackneyed propaganda that keeps swirling around is enough to give me a headache:

What was said: George Osborne, the then Chancellor, said in a BBC Radio 4 interview that leaving the European Union would cause "financial instability" and leave "no economic plan," which would need an immediate response from the government. "There would have to be increases in tax and cuts in public spending to fill the black hole," he said.

What happened: Osborne was sacked by Theresa May when she became prime minister on July 13, less than a month after the referendum. Shortly after his appointment the same day, his successor Philip Hammond announced there were no plans for an emergency budget. In the meantime, the Bank of England warned of "challenging" risks to financial stability following the Brexit vote and made £150 billion in lending available for businesses and households to help mitigate the shock of the surprise vote.

The U.K. economy is still growing, albeit at a slower rate than pre-referendum and at around half the speed of the eurozone. The latest Office for National Statistics figures suggest Britain's economy grew 1.5 percent in the three months ending in June from the same period in 2016. The latest U.K. unemployment figures from the ONS show the proportion of people out of work is at its lowest since 1975 (4.3 percent). But a year on from the vote, the pound had lost 15 percent of its value against the dollar, pushing up inflation.

or perhaps

What was said:
Former Health Minister Stephen Dorrell warned: “We need a strong economy to guarantee the growth in funding that the health and care service requires and evidence suggests leaving the EU would undermine this.”

What happened: In his March budget, the chancellor announced the social care system would have another £2 billion pumped into it over the next three years and an extra £100 million would be made available for new triage programs at English hospitals this winter. He also set aside an extra £325 million to allow the first NHS Sustainability and Transformation Plans to proceed.

To say nothing of more absurd claims such as

What was said:
David Cameron warned: "Can we be so sure that peace and stability on our Continent are assured beyond any shadow of doubt? Is that a risk worth taking? I would never be so rash as to make that assumption."

What happened: There are no current wars between EU countries.

Now with such serious threats being tarnished a new psychology of phobia instead of reasonable fear is being posited in recent campaigns based upon smaller and pettier complaints about the British's decision to not continue supporting a corrupt system, such as the continued belief that it alone is responsible for populism in Europe or worse...that the EU and Europe are inseperable and thusly an attack on one is an attack on the other. All of this is a reactionism the likes of which haven't been seen since the WW2 generation reacted to the rise of the 60s and 70s generation.
Now it is the very concept of seeking self determination and the once precious splendid isolation that made us so unique as a culture. This is a toxic and elitist rhetoric to me that seems to echo the old classist bigotry of the Victorian era with some audaciously demanding only those earning over £50,000 should get to vote which is contributing to a growing wokeness that the middle classes of Britain still loath the working classes (who mostly backed Brexit).

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DaintyDinah's avatar
People want to remember the EU has only been in existence for 30 years before that it was the Common Market. Britain has survived long before the EU & since we joined the Common Market we have lost;
Fishing Industry,
Mining Industry,
Rail,
Steel,
Shipyards,
Aeroplane manufacturing,
Car & Motorcycle Industies sold off.
All that is now utilised on the continent
Flooded us with migrants who use our NHS, Schools, Councils & Welfare which cant cope & lowered our wages but have never paid into it
And talk about protectionism & imperialism the EU is at the forefront.
It has never negotiated only threatened since the referendum and our pathetic corrupt politicians bend the knee !
Our media are so biased & Project Fear is constantly thrown in our faces !
The Beeb & media get paid well by the EU as does TonyBlair / Peter  Mandleson & most MPs / MEPsor their spouses !
As for the people (losers vote) on cancelling Brexit - its bad enough with the idiots in parliament now who will make it so bad if we leave the EU for people to want to rejoin ! Look at Ireland a few years ago !
The EU is just another controlling empire that needs to be destroyed and any MPs who didnt want a Brexit should have resigned 2 years ago ! The majority spoke now lets leave on a no deal and watch the domino affect as Italy / Greece / Poland etc do the same !


WoodrowWoodThough's avatar
This is my understanding why Brexit exists. The UK has not benefited from the EU. They tried it (30 years) and it didn't work out.

But people hate change. They fear it.
DaintyDinah's avatar
well I voted out but our govt has never supported the majority !
WoodrowWoodThough's avatar
I think the economic powers that be in the government are fighting the common people.
TheGreatMC's avatar
Great Britain used to be sustained by extensive swathes of colonized, exploited globe in those long years before proto-EU had been formed.
Now not only British Empire is no more, but parts of UK have developed second thoughts about the whole "United" part of "United Kingdom" in the event of looming, self-imposed exclusion from European Union.

UK is in for quite a rude awakening.

Not that I mind Brexit - nationalist freaks around Europe need a case study to see how their vision of self-sustainable ethnostates is a recipe for disaster. :meow:
DaintyDinah's avatar
whats wrong with being a nationalist ?
TheGreatMC's avatar
Unless you would have limitless world with stable environmental conditions and inexhaustible resources, there is no way to sustain nationalist vision of humanity.
One major, regional disaster is more than enough to show how the idea of ethnostates would only spell death to those of them that were severely impacted.
DaintyDinah's avatar
worked in the past !
OnlyTheGhosts's avatar
TheGreatloon: "Unless you would have limitless world with stable environmental conditions and inexhaustible resources, there is no way to sustain nationalist vision of humanity."

- and the delusional retard cites no evidence whatsoever to support his pile of bullshit.

I got tired of asking him to back his garbage spouting mouth with some evidence. He never did. The guy is an utter moron without a clue about anything and can't cite evidence because he really doesn't know anything except "opinions".
bcrbuio3tvrbvt's avatar
Considering brexit was about opening britain up to non-EU migrants with higher qualifications and becoming truly global it's refreshing to witness how far in the cave of propaganda EU bigots will crawl to sustain their deluded narcissism. :)
TheGreatMC's avatar
You will get to experience the 'gifts' of Brexit soon enough. Wonder on whom you will put the blame for anything that doesn't go according to your wishful thinking.
bcrbuio3tvrbvt's avatar
Indeed, the 'gifts' of not needing the go ahead from a foreign court when deciding home secretary policies to name a few. Wonder on whom you will put the blame when we happily don't look back on brussel sprouts micro-managing us with their utopianism.
TheGreatMC's avatar
First things first, your country will have to figure out how to replace trade deals in about 1.5 month's worth of time.
No leverage = you will be forced to accept the kind of offers that normally you wouldn't even touch with a mile-long stick.
Two years was barely enough for that - and even that pitiful amount of time had been almost completely squandered by your leaders with nothing to show for it.
bcrbuio3tvrbvt's avatar
No we won't have to. We'll do it in the time that suits us. And those offers still smell like roses compared to the treasonous offer that is the EU membership we were tricked into.
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AbCat's avatar
All the things you're complaining about are caused not by the EU, but by conservative capitalism. I think we should abandon that instead of the EU, because you guys have clearly voted to leave the wrong thing.
OnlyTheGhosts's avatar
That makes no sense. The UK already had conservative capitalism before too.

Your claim fails logic
AbCat's avatar
It made no sense to the miners and steelworkers laid off under conservative capitalism in the 1980s, that's for sure. This was the cause of literally all the bad things listed by Dinah, which she blamed on the EU.
OnlyTheGhosts's avatar
Neither of those are examples of capitalism, as they had been nationalised.

Every private business taken over by the government. Then later the entire lot turned into one politically instituted corporation. The private businesses that had been nationalised were taken from the capitalist owners.

If anything that's socialism.

Furthermore, the coal mining industry remained government-owned and run until 1987, which was 15 years AFTER the United Kingdom had joined the EU's predecessor organisation, the European Common Market in 1973. So, the previous claiming that it wasn't the EU's fault has the problem that the UK was already in essentially the same organisation and steadily being forced to abide by the EU's rules.
AbCat's avatar
Please, do tell me, how was the conservative-led capitalist-driven closure of the UK mining industry the fault of the EU, which didn't exist and whose predecessor's rules didn't apply to the coal industry?
OnlyTheGhosts's avatar
1) The EU did actually exist, it just had a different name. That was the only change in 1983 - they had a name change from European Common Market to European Union.

2) Nationalised industries are not capitalism, they are socialist. Governments running an industry aren't capitalism. Taking over every private company in an industry, nationalising them all, without giving 2-shits about the owners consent, is not capitalist - it's socialist. Turning that same nationalised industry into a single corporation with a government-guaranteed monopoly is not capitalist either - it's still socialism.
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DaintyDinah's avatar
Thing is Im BRITISH and nothing else ! Oh & by the way, look whats happening in France & Italy now ! Like any empire it rises and falls ! The EU wont be here next century and hopefully quicker than that ! Oh & the most conservative capitalist imperilist empire IS THE EU !
AbCat's avatar
Isn't the US, and the UK itself more conservative and capitalist than the EU? And as for their imperialism, not one nation of their 'empire' has been acquired by military conquest - a unique feat among empires. All of its states are voluntary members.

By being British you are, as I am too, European by default. One could even say we are Eurasian. I could also say I'm English, and technically speaking a Londoner, who is an immigrant to Yorkshire. In an age where I can travel from one place to another on a train in a few hours, and speak to a person from almost any nation I choose at the click of a switch, it seems archaic to consider these boundaries as a thing of any importance.

What a foolish time to try to wall ourselves in when the world is becoming smaller and more united and more peaceful day by day! Are we so different from the French, the Germans, and the Spanish that we need to disown ourselves from their continent? What makes us so irreconcilable that I should have to pass a security checkpoint to meet one of them?