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Why Are people so dead set against Herbal cures and remedies?

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Precipitous120 Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2018
Western medicine has only been around for about 300 years where as herbal remedies have been around for over 4 thousand years

Yet when you suggest that perhaps as a last resort, a certain sick person, should try a herbal remedy

Their response is almost always, 'I only trust my doctor'

Well let me ask you something, in all your time with your doctor have they ever once cured you of any chronic ailment?

NO!

Doctors only treat illnesses, with no intention to cure. The longer you remain sick the more money they make, so naturally they want to keep you that way.

Honestly if a doctor has been treating you for the same ailment for the last ten years, then maybe it is time to try something else.

People say that they don't believe in herbal remedies but let me ask you, do you drink coffee or tea? Well that is a herb isn't it now. if you can accept that why can't you accept another perfectly sound herb that has been tried and tested over the centuries.

As a herbalist myself it is frustrating how stubborn some people can be, even my own family. My Mother who is suffering form menopause, refuses to drink sage tea because it tastes funny. Yet she can attest to the fact that it helps reduce/eliminate her hot flushes. My Father suffering from psoriasis finally found the cure in the form of a herb and high doses of vitamin E to thicken his skin, but he too refuses to medicate himself because of the taste. 

Yet if you were to go down to the medicine store and buy horrible tasting medication, you would suck it up and take it every day for 30 years without complaint!

Well, that is enough venting for me, what do you guys think?
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na·tur·op·a·thy
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  1. a system of alternative medicine based on the theory that diseases can be successfully treated or prevented without the use of drugs, by techniques such as control of diet, exercise, and massage.
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People are not against anything unless they lack information. There isn't a lot of information about herbal medicine because it has been superseded by chemical medicine over 100 years ago and pharmaceutical brands market their offerings. They spend billions doing that marketing. You can say that herbal remedies have been around a long time, but also consider that massive numbers of humanity also died as a result of easily cured (by modern medicine) illnesses such as the flu until very recently- when modern medicine eradicated those kind of disasters. The flu epidemic after World War I wiped out over 20 million people- based on sources that number varies some say twice that. Polio was one of the most feared illnesses even in developed society like America- it afflicted our own president Roosevelt- and modern research is what cured Polio. There are not nearly as many people dying of Aids in America thanks to modern medicine. You can take herbal medications for minor things like a cold- I did that once. I can attest that the herbal pill did provide relief to my nostrils, by drying them up completely so much that it scared me- for all of 15 minutes. I don't believe anyone should try to convince their family and friends to take herbal cures unless they are a licensed physician. There are doctors who work in natural healing methods. Otherwise you are giving bad medical advice- herbs can be effective against some things but can also be dangerous or inappropriate as treatment for more serious afflictions- and medical advice by anyone other than a doctor is asking the patient to put themselves at severe risk. People won't do it, they go to doctors, who proscribe chemical meds for everything.
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Precipitous120 Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2018
Correction, there was a cure for the common cold it was just that back then many people could not afford it. The reason why that is such a well known historical fact is because of the number of deaths due to the common cold, not because there was an absence of a cure but because the average peasant back then could not afford it. This cure was 30 segments of garlic and an onion, something we could easily afford now days but back then a very scarce cure. Certainly cheaper than buying pills and cough mixture.

Remember that medical marvels are not the only advancement in human history to come around for the last hundred years or so. Sewage systems were only invented 500 years ago and only really implemented 300 years ago, and in some places 80 years ago. Roads, clean drinking water, common practices like washing your hands before food and surgery, these were all only implemented in the time period of less than 500 years ago.

As the human race grew more crowded and lived closer together in cities, so did the death rate increase because of unhealthy living. The black plague killed many people not because it was particularly hard to cure but because it was so easily spread by rats and fleas. In reality the plague could be cured by simply puncturing all the pus filled pockets of flesh and running them dry, but with reinfection and the host of other bacteria in an already filthy city... well it was impossible to cure in such conditions.

Once more medical science though it has been around for about 100-300 years, has had seriously backwards thinking behind how to cure certain ailments. Tooth ache used to be cured by sticking a hot iron in the persons ear, totally no evidence that this worked but if you went to your doctor this is what they would do. Head aches were cured by blood letting or scratching the persons skull with a mechanical drill. Western Medicine has always centred around treating not curing illnesses and birth defects. Asthma being one of the conditions that really shocked me. Doctors treat it by prescribing steroids in the form of an air based medicine, treatment sometimes taking between 10-20 years or life, but herbal medicine had/has a cure for it that took only 2 weeks before patients were totally free of asthma for life!

I'm not asking people to take my word for it, I'm asking people to do their own research as a result of my advice. I'm not earning money by giving out advice, I'm doing it because I personally want to help and it sickens me to think that someone is going to keep treating a perfectly curable disease!

Once more I can prove that herbal medicine is actually better than western medicine in some regards. I've posted in this forum several times about the viking cure for eye infections, which when used on a modern antibiotic resistant strain of ... a disease today, this viking cure works better.

Still regardless, I say that people shouldn't take any ones word for it. Not your doctors, not mine, not any ones. When it is concerning your own health you should do your own research and not rely on one source of information or one source of treatment. There is a world of cures out there, don't buy into something you have to pay for but doesn't truly work.
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Kaydreamer Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I've no issue with homeopathy itself. Certain herbal remedies are effective in treating some minor ailments and as such in can be beneficial to some. I eat unpasteurised honey when I have a cold or tonsillitis; it soothes my throat and has antibacterial properties which help beat back the illness. That's homeopathic. The benefits of a healthy diet and lifestyle combined with proven herbal and vitamin-based remedies for minor issues which do appear is proven and accepted.

The issue many have with homeopathy, however, is when some people take the concept too far. Homeopathy is not an adequate treatment for cancer, for instance, nor many other life-threatening conditions. Many lives have been lost by people trying to treat life-threatening illnesses with natural remedies when conventional medicine had a much better chance to save them.

The issue here is anti-scientism. We have treatments which have been rigorously tested and proven to work against life-threatening conditions. Yet despite the abundance of literature and success stories backing up these treatments, a small minority of people have an irrational fear of modern medicine and science. These people, should they fall gravely ill, put their own health at risk by eschewing proven and reliable modern treatments in favour of homeopathy ones.

The key to homeopathy regaining some credibility and respect is for it to be practised ethically and responsibly. Homeopaths need to be honest about what herbal medicine can and cannot cure. They need to present their craft as something which should be used alongside conventional medicine, rather than as a standalone alternative.

Homeopathy can be a very good supplementary medicine. It tends to make those who engage in it feel better, and the mind is a very important aspect of healing which is often neglected in conventional medicine. The placebo effect alone is enough for it to have a place, and those remedies which do actually work are a bonus on top of that.
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Precipitous120 Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2018
But cancer can be cured with herbs.....

Plantain(the weed not the fruit) is one of the best anti cancer treatments and once more if you avoid eating meat totally and go on a diet of plantain, you can out right cure cancer

Well I was looking for an article online about it but it seems to be blocked with a lot of articles about weed curing cancer which is just not true.

Oh well I am beyond trying to convince people otherwise. If there is anything to take away from my argument is that I believe that we should each do our own research into curing our bodies, instead of relying on one source
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Honiker Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2018
why are we so dead set against the Fae right? huh? we ALL hate them, irrevocably, every day, it's kill fae kill, all the days, and we know about 'em,
and we just hate 'em, we hate 'em all, even if they know about things they say it anyway, wash that hate away and I'm still a kid so I just crush butterfly eaters all day long
it's kill moth kill kill moth but I don't need to you think?
love butterfly still it's not the same kinda hate,
hate fae hate, hate, hate...

-Gone Was Hate, the boy
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I would say that both are valid to varying extents.
however, they are NOT exclusive.
it has been shown that some herbal/traditional remedies have ground.
but modern medicine has been proven to work.
what is bad is when people deny the benefits of modern medicine and replace it with traditional remedies.
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Precipitous120 Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2018
What is bad in my opinion is when people use treatments instead of cures, no matter the source of those treatments
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Istarteddrawingbirds Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
why?
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Precipitous120 Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2018
A waste of money as well as the fact that you are still suffering from something that can be easily cured
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Istarteddrawingbirds Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
but what if the treatment is completely free?
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Precipitous120 Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2018
well if the cure is free too then I don't see the point in treatment
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GrendalUnleashed Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2018  Professional General Artist
People...No!

In the 20th century Pharma proclaimed the verasity of their compounds over 'herbology'

The classic example being 'Asprin', this was a result of observations of British soldiers in the Great War (WWI).

Welsh Soldiers suffered less from 'shell shock' (PTSD) than their contemporaries due to their chewing of White Willow Bark, this led to the brand known as Aspirin (A chemical reconstitution of the active ingredients in white willow - though the original doesn't have a increased risk of heart attacks!)

This Chemical reconstruction continues to this day...Monohydroclorides are prescribed for PTSD, depression, to chronic pain releif.

A synthetic version of cannabinoids, which are sooooooo less expensive than the artificial version.

Also I've been ridiculed for recommending hawthorn/mistletoe infusions to cancer patients...the current allopathic papers say Mistletoe has benefits for cancer patients.

Let's just put it plainly:

Herbalists are a mixture of faith and allpopathic medicine but allways bear in mind that every...THAT's EVERY allopathic cure/treatment comes from a herbal origin.
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Precipitous120 Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2018
So what you are saying is western medicine is bad?

Sorry you weren't very clear
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The vast majority of herbal treatments aren't even what you think they are.  The A.G. in New York had commercial preparations tested and found nothing but asparagus and dehydrated lawn clippings.  The gingko doesn't conform to the Chinese standard.  They require the inner lining of the bark.  American gingko is grown in a big ol' field and it's mowed once a year and dehydrated.  I've seen recommendations for Horse Coin to be applied orally that could have enough strychnine to kill you.
 

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Precipitous120 Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2018
Well that is what you get for buying your herbs from a tablet store instead of from a garden shop

Just grow your own medicine people!
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rosie4246 Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2018  Student Photographer
A lot of people are against them because they see at as something ancient, medicine used before we had "real" medicine. It's very true that today thanks to modern medicine we have cures to a lot of things, but a lot of these medicines can also do more harm than good. I was raised on homeopathic (herbal) medicine as well as western medicine should the need arise. When I was younger and even now, if I had a fever I would take Belladonna, if I had a cold I would take pulsatilla and a bunch of other stuff. Just because these cures and remedies are ancient, doesn't mean that they do not work. The whole reason they were passed down was because they worked to cure whatever ill they were fighting. I would say that it is really important to acknowledge the fact that, yes! Western Medicine is great and cures a lot, but don't turn your nose up at the homeopathic cures as another option. Who knows, in a lot of situations the homeopathic has helped in areas where western medicine did nothing.
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Precipitous120 Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2018
yeah true. I told a friend at school once that I make my own herbal remedies and he just looked at me like I am insane

he said that is what tablets are for.

but honestly I would rather trust what I make then a tablet I do not know what it will do or how it was made.

hmm... would you happen to know how to treat poisoning with herbs? I wanted to research how to cure poisoning

I learnt that snake bites are treated with salts and sugars when they don't have an anti venom

so I wonder what they do for poisons that have no treatment

any ideas?
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rosie4246 Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2018  Student Photographer
Ive never really thought about treating poisoning, but it sounds like something really interesting to look into. wish I could help you
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Precipitous120 Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2018
Darn ^_^

Well thanks anyway, I find herbal treatments for the common cold interesting but it seems the more there is to learn the more there is to learn

and it is so very interesting :)

One of my recent discoveries is that a lot of poisons are used to create cures for illnesses, but heavily diluting the poison until it works as a cure.

I just wonder what if perhaps treatments for poisons can be improved by using herbal remedies instead of pills
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JCoolArts Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2018
Well, I'm not entirely against herbal/nature based methods of healing, alot of FDA approved meds are derived from plants and nature already. The thing is, is I think if a plant has the power to actually cure an ailment, that plant would be in high demand and get alot of spotlight shed on it. People would notice, and everyone would have that plant in their homes...
I'm sure some plants have healing properties and pain easing compounds, but they don't actually cure, so most people just find it easier to pop pain pills than forage.

Sometimes, the effect of a herb is only that of a placebo, a sort of mind trick that makes the patient think they're feeling better. Which isn't entirely a bad thing, but definitely a dishonest thing.
Like essential oils... there's no clear background behind them except for maybe aroma therapy (btw> this is kinda funny www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_Ecmc…)

Anyways, I'm not so much against trying new things, plants included, but I like many others, prefer not to put my reliance firmly upon a plant that hasn't been thoroughly tested under proper circumstances. Who knows if you're allergic to said plant as well.
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Precipitous120 Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2018
Aroma therapy actually works... lol sounds stupid and I didn't believe it either... but I've actually seen documentaries about it and read a lot of scientifically backed research on the subject. one doctor said something on the lines of, 'the lungs are the fastest delivery system for medication' which makes sense.

Rosemary being one of the herbs that I've heard the most research on. It boosts your ability to remember and recall knowledge. They did several tests on it where people completed a series of memory tests and showed greater results when in a room with rosemary dispersed than a room without. Whatever the reason it works, where it is the fact that their senses are heightened because of this new smell or because the rosemary its self was the cause. They also used other herbs in the dispenser but rosemary was the one with the best results. Funny enough lavender actually decreases peoples ability to recall information, lol.

There are herbs that cure diseases and ailments that medication would have us treat and not cure. Asthma for instance. I was shocked when I discovered a cure, I read about in an old English book, I was later afforded the opportunity to test this cure and it did in fact work to cure a smoker of their asthma. The only problem with this cure is that it is probably very dangerous in used improperly. This is probably a factor into why some cures are never discovered or why they aren't medically accepted. My personal belief is that the medical companies just make too much money from making treatments, that cures which would end all medical expenses would just not be very profitable to them.

The FDA doesn't approve items according to their health benefits, the sole duty of the FDA is to insure that the ingredients listed are what exist in the product its self. They only remove items from the shelves after they kill someone or are proven to be harmful. Otherwise there is no extensive testing before hand to discover this fact.

This is why when there is an outbreak of some terrible disease in food products, they are only detected after deaths and illness then after the fact the source is discovered. If the FDA was truly testing products then this wouldn't be the case and harmful pills and foods could be detected before hand. This simply isn't the case
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SinnexCryllic Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Western medicine, I assume you mean the medicines that have been derived severely from plants and put into a pill, liquid, or solid form unlike what they started out as. The east has many medicines like that, too, if you assume that "western medicine" is just for the last century or so. Western medicine, in the early days, 1600's or so, had many herbs and concoctions and apothecaries and leeches for your browsing pleasure.

I digress. 

Most medicines are very strictly tested to be safe (to a degree) and to actually do what they are intended to do.
"It takes on average 12 years and over $350 million to get a new drug from the laboratory onto the pharmacy shelf. Once a company develops a drug, it undergoes around three and a half years of laboratory testing, before an application is made to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to begin testing the drug in humans. Only one in 1000 of the compounds that enter laboratory testing will ever make it to human testing."
After that, it is taken to three stages of human testing, then, after all of that, it is approved. Now, before any complaints saying that 'the government is in on it too,' imagine how it would be for the government when suddenly everyone is taking these expensive medicines that don't work for a long time. People would riot, especially those who work independently researching medicines, and have a strong sense of human rights. 

People take medicines because they work.



I don't think it's fair to assume all doctors are just in it for the money. No doctor that I know of would willingly subject their patients to years of agony just to keep them from the "cure" and keep making money. Besides, if you look at it a certain way, doctors who keep their patients under their reign would not make much money because after a year or two, most people would have given up and turned to another doctor. Besides, if your career advertisement is made up of "Oh, I didn't cure this person for 5 years, this person for 8, and this last person, hoo boy, she was roped in by me from her forties until death," well, no one's going to trust this doctor, and he/she may get his medical license just stripped.

Now onto "herbs."
Herbs do not undergo the same clinical testing phases that drugs do, which means their side effects and actual usefulness have not been scientifically documented as much as drug testing. Yes, some more popular herbs like tea and such have been documented to work, but they may not have been tested on a wider range of people, and what works for one person in one region of the world, may not hold true for another person. This may also be the case in medicines, but in most cases, there's a reason why medicines advise you to check with your doctor, whom is not swindling you, because of the backlash that would create.
Let's not talk about the problems that gathering your own herbs in the wild, especially for amateurs, would pose. *coughcoughpoisoncough*

There's pros and cons in everything, and herbs can be extremely useful, as well as drugs.
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Precipitous120 Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2018
The FDA does not test if a drug is harmful, they merely test to see if the content of the drug is as is depicted on the back of the label

That is literally all they do.

If you look at florid, which is an industrial by product, it is poisonous to humans and yet it is found in our tooth paste and in our water because it was FDA approved. It causes birth defects, bone deformities and a whole host of other minor problems but as little as 2 grams of the stuff can kill a grown adult!

The stuff that makes hotdogs pink, is also deadly poisonous to humans... FDA has approved that as well.

Nicotine, poisonous again... approved again. Google nicotine poisoning, it is lethal but again approved.

There are so many other examples like the fact that Formaldehyde, which is used to preserve dead bodies, is commercially used in fresh foods and vegetables in order to keep them fresh even though it is a chemical that kills protein it comes in contact with like your mouth. FDA approved.

Trusting the Government is not going to lead you down any safe roads, which is why I say with medicine you should only trust yourself. Invest in researching every thing yourself because if you suffer a chronic illness you have plenty of time to discover a cure for your own instead of relying on a doctor who might not have your best interests at heart.

Doctors 'Accidentally' kill patients all the time by prescribing them the wrong medicine. The problem is that they seem to be immune to being blamed for their accidents. the common saying is, 'we did all we could' which seems to be like the get out of jail free card. The fact is Nurses have reported so many corrupt and almost inhuman practises by doctors but again they get away with it Scot free. Patients that have organs to donate are more likely to die from minor routine surgery, which as been statistically proven which just means doctors are killing them in order to harvest their organs. Older patients are more likely to die from conflicting prescription drugs, even if they only have one doctor who should be able to tell if these two drugs in combination equals death. This is probably because they are trying to milk their patients as much as possible.

It is easy for a medical professional to say, 'there is no cure for your condition but it can be treated' which is what they do all the time and yet patients keep on going back to them.

Herbs are often more heavily monitored and restricted from markets because there is a stigma and fear about them, but I say this is a good thing. No one should ever blindly take something unless they know what it does 100%

For instance a few years back I found out my grand parents were taking two conflicting heart medications prescribed by the same doctor. My Grand Father especially was in and out of hospital as a result of this. We instantly stopped all medication and suddenly my Grand parents were a whole lot Healthier. We still have the same Doctor and I just wonder why people so blindly follow the advice of anyone else other than their own common sense
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Smkiller Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Logical fallacies, mental gymnastics, and lies abound. Good thread, OP.
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Precipitous120 Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2018
Thanks :D

I like stirring peoples enthusiasm :)

Hopefully it opens minds up possibilities, rather than relying on one source of fact vs fiction
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OneGirlStudios Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Because of snake oil, Someone could easily sell parsley saying it's a "new herb" that "cures cancer" and idiots would buy it.
It's more about protecting dumb asses and the government being mad they ain't gettin' a cut.

(Maybe some racism sprinkled in but I don't want to go that deep. Stare Sweat Emote )
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Precipitous120 Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2018
hmm... so people criticise herbs because they are dumb :D?

That makes me so happy considering all the abuse I've been receiving over this thread :)

Now I know all those people are just idiots ^_^

One person was convinced coffee and tea are not herbs. when I told them coffee is made from a berry and tea from leaves, they refused to believe that classifies it as a herb

lol, some people just live in an altered state of reality :D
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OneGirlStudios Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
LOL @ The coffee and tea thing, Is it bad that someone's ignorance made me laugh?
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Precipitous120 Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2018
It is a little worrisome that their ignorance is amusing, but that is only an offence to them

We can join and laugh all we want... lol as long as none of use get hate mail for calling them stupid :D
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DavidWalby Featured By Owner Edited Mar 16, 2018  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Because it doesn't make them feel high AF! :)
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UnicronWars Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2018  Hobbyist Writer
If "natural herbs" such as pot, cocaine, and opium aren't enough for them, they probably need serious help. :dead:
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Wolfslicht Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2018
"Western medicine has only been around for about 300 years where as herbal remedies have been around for over 4 thousand years. "

>i don´t like to call it western medicine anyway, since we also have herbal medicine used in the west and there is also homeopathy, that was invented in the west as well.
  Apart from that...what do you think western medicine is based on. Dividing herbal medicine and western medicine so harshly makes no sense to me.



"Doctors only treat illnesses, with no intention to cure."
> whoah...why be so mean. That is not true at all.

"Honestly if a doctor has been treating you for the same ailment for the last ten years, then maybe it is time to try something else."
> Most doctors i know of encourage you to try new things if one treatment doesn´t work. Be it herbal medicine or acupuncture. Where does your hate for doctors come from. Do you only use herbal medicine in your life. No vaccines, no ...nothing?

"As a herbalist myself it is frustrating how stubborn some people can be, even my own family. My Mother who is suffering form menopause, refuses to drink sage tea because it tastes funny."
> What has that to do with western medicine. It is not like doctors tell you: "Don´t drink tea. It will never help you". Literally everyone i know drinks tea when sick. sage tea is not even something fancy.
    I literally just typed in what gynecologists say one should take apart from hormones it says herbal medicines like sage, black cohosh etc. 



What do i think?

Aspirin-Willow bark
Ibuprofen- inspired by aspirin structure
Digitalis
Atropin
morphin
Hypericum perforatum is prescribed against depression.


They started to extract the drug out of the plants. 
Modify them so they work better/loose side effects/ are easier to be ingested...
Model other drugs after the structure of already existing ones and experiment with them.
Now they are modelling them also after the receptors they have to intercat wit.

But all of that started with nature.



There are tons of plant-derived drugs still used nowadays and prescribed by doctors. And a lot of drugs are based on that.

It is just. When you buy a drug the concentration is written on it.

If you use plants you need knowledge. The drug concentrations in plants are different during diefferent periods and in different parts of the plant.
If it is just sage.. Ok. But if you are dealing with Atropin, Digitalis or Aconite it can get dangerous. 
Plants can be really dangerous. And there are always does people that are like:

"fuck it ia am not buying a plant medicine in a shop, if i can get it for free in the wild"
and there are also those people who can´t tell wild garlic and autumn crocus apart (No idea how they manage that...)

Just wanted to point it out:

Nowadays people seem to forget that plants can be fucking dangerous too and "more does NOT help more" Regarding any drug...actually regarding pretty much every substance.




In the end the thing i don´t understand is why you act as if modern medicine and herbal medicine don´t go together at all. modern medicine just took a step forward and started inventing drug instead of solely relying on already existing ones. I don´t see the competition.

The only thing i see many doctors "hate" is homeopathy. For a reason. Still know a ton of people using it anyway.
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Precipitous120 Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2018
Hmm... interesting... I don't know where to begin my reply to you.

I feel like I have no grounds to assault you or support you, your message was super natural.

Anyway I suppose my hatred for doctors purely comes from people when they refuse a herbal remedy stating, "I only trust my doctor" which really pisses me off when I can see someone is suffering but they stubbornly refuse to try anything out.

I blame western medicine for this reaction and I suppose I could be unjustly accusing them for the reaction I receive from people. Who know why people are so afraid of trying out a possible cure.

Still I have seen examples of western medicine treat but not cure illnesses that have been cured long long long ago and yet in our modern age we continue to use treatments instead of cures.

Asthma was one of the conditions I was astounded to find had a herbal cure that works. I was dealing with a smoker at the time that I discovered it(read about it). The smoker had asthma and agreed to try out my herbal remedy partly because it required him to smoke something(lol). There was a bit of trial and error being that I had never tested it before, on myself or any other, but after about 2 weeks we had figured it out together. After which he was cured of asthma totally and utterly.

Snake bites can also be treated/cured with herbs which again astounded me. Considering people die from venom I found it strange that there are herbal cures.

My fathers Psoriasis is now slowly recovering. He eventually caved in to my suggestions and we have noticed two big boosts to his skin health. One is that the psoriasis isn't so scabby any more, and it heals faster now. It still refuses to go away but at least my father isn't spending all that money on treatment that wasn't working(for about 5 years). The treatment was actually making his skin thinner which causes more psoriasis(it starts out from bruises and injuries and then just gets worse from there)

My Mother is taking western medicine, but like you said it is derived from a herb which is quite ironically sage :| Yep.... she is doing alright now

I suppose the only thing that can be said about western medicine is that it is safer. There are a lot of herbal remedies that are quite dangerous even when you are experienced in what you are doing. For instance that asthma cure uses a poison. However I've experimented with that poison so much that I have either built up an immunity or the internet and every book I've read lied about how poisonous it is.
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Wolfslicht Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2018
i would like an example for something that has been cured long long ago and isn´t now.

With cured of asthma totally and utterly, do you mean, he doesn´t have to take the medicine anymore?
What did you give him. Especially since it is a poison. Poisons are a great interest of mine (don´t get me wrong...not to kill somebody).
To quote Paracelsus regarding this: "Poison is in everything, and no thing is without poison. The dosage makes it either a poison or a remedy."
I took a toxicology course in university...one of my favourites by far. ( I am studying biology)
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Precipitous120 Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2018
Well when I mean cured I mean the definition of cured. As in no further treatment is required as the problem ,that once was, no longer exists.

We used the 'thorn apple' plant. Drying the big leaves of the plant as the small leaves are deadly poisonous and get less so poisonous as they age. Drying them out further reduced the amount of poison as the poisonous element is an alcohol based component/compound.

What we actually discovered is that though the internet and many books say that the plant causes permanent nerve damage, it is really only temporary damage that can recover as long as you cease treatment. However in order to cure the asthma and over sensitivity of the Bronchiole, we needed to cause a bit of permanent damage

Yes I agree about poisons. When I discovered that most poisons were used as herbal treatments, It broaden my tool belt of plants that I can use. For example most poisons cause diarrhoea which eventually kills a person, but heavily diluted it helps relieve a person from constipation.

Thorn apple is notorious for being one of the most deadliest poisons EVER!!!! Yet I'm quite disappointed in the claims since it is hardly poisonous at all! I've bitten pieces off the plant, eaten them, chewed bulbs of seeds, sniffed the leaves which cording to the internet will land you in a coma. NOTHING! Either I'm immortal or the internet is a big fat liar. What is really disconcerting is that I read the same thing in a lot of books. It sounds like all these authors aren't doing any research in what they claim is poisonous. However despite what I say and claim, I do know it does cause a slight numbing sensation when applied topically. it is just you would have to apply a hell of a lot of it in concentrated form to have any long lasting affect
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Wolfslicht Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2018
Are you expecting them to make experiments for every poison they mention in their book?
That is usually animal tests...

That plant is known to be dangerous for centuries.

It is your risk. If you want to potentially kill yourself.

It is mentioned that the poison concentration greatly differs depending on various factors.

Tell all the people, who died eating thorn apple that it is hardly poisonous at all.
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Precipitous120 Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2018
no one has died from it

they just get extremely sick in all the articles I've read

and yes I expected to test every plant, else their work is based off false information

your reputation as an author is at stake, so you better do your own research or else your words are meaningless
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Wolfslicht Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2018
Of course that plant is tested. Just not every author tests. Ever heard of using sources. You can't just kill make proper toxicological tests for every fucking book.
Do you know how many books are out there, that talk about toxic plants.

You probably don't even have an idea about the requirements for such a experimemt to be significant.

Just making a significant experiment regarding leaf growth in relation to lighting is a pain in the ass already and costs money and time. And that is way simpler.
When it comes to getting e.g. The LD50 (rat) of a toxin it is way worse. That is hundreds of dead animals.
You don't repeat that.

And since you can't experiment on humans...you have to get footage from hospitals etc.

The experience of a single person is pretty much worth nothing in science.

It is simply unnecessary. There is enough sources for that already.

You are being silly.
This is like expecting everyone who writes about the earth being round to travel around it.

Claiming no one has died from it seems a bit...idk. How do you know. The only thing one can say is that there are no cases in humans reported. Though i heard there were some.

I feel like this discussion is getting weird.
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Precipitous120 Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2018
The only cases I've read about with regards to the thorn apple and human experiments is as follows:

British soldiers mistook it for spinach(how the fuck I know right) and where found later playing with their own faecal matter, the affects only lasted 11 days after which they were perfectly fine.

Ladies in France used to put their attackers into comas(rape) purely by chance because they used to use the thorn apple leaves to plump up their breasts(I suppose they gained some sort of an immunity)

When western medicine was still developing and they had yet made anaesthetic, they used to use an oil decoction of the plant which made patients compliant during surgery but feel every bit of the pain. The patients later forgot about the pain. The reason for this is that thorn apple can be used to brain wash people(hence why they were compliant) and it can also erase peoples memories. Look up zombie cucumber if you need some research pointing to this

Later when more advances in medicine took off they found two elements in the plant. Both alcohol based. The one makes a person compliant and the other makes them forget. I believe they used this for some other not to legal human experiments.

Then of course you get the normal research which showed the plant can be used to numb the skin when applied topically.

In all this no one has died
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Chernivtsi Featured By Owner Edited Mar 15, 2018   Traditional Artist
Because they work?
Herbs help the body strengthen itself, nourish, and relax you. With my illness I couldn’t go by the days without herbal treatments and the smell of eucalyptus (which I know isn’t a herb)
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Precipitous120 Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2018
why isn't eucalyptus a herb?

it is from a tree so of course it is a herb.... it feels like I'm missing somethin here

little while back someone was disputing the fact that tea and coffee are herbs. they are both plant products which mean they are herbs.

is there some American definition for herb can conflicts with the standard definition?

anyway I'm glad you have an appreciation for herbal medicine
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Chernivtsi Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2018   Traditional Artist
Ah, I always just thought eucalyptus was just a tree/plant and not classified as a herb.

Im not too sure what the american definition is as my appreciation for herbs is because my mom is from Ukraine and a lot of their medicine is herb based.
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Precipitous120 Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2018
Well a herb is any part of a plant used for medicine, which means as long as it is a plant it is a herb.

I suppose there further way you are from the west the greater appreciation for herbal medicines you are
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Chernivtsi Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2018   Traditional Artist
That’s very true.
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Psuedonoms Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2018  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Because it's snake oil y'all.
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Precipitous120 Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2018
The same can be said for western medicine, especially when they find out years later that it in fact does not help the person what so ever

I suppose that is why it is important to trust in your own experiments and not what it says on the back of a bottle
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Psuedonoms Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2018  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yeah thats why I swallow the stuff inside smoke detectors to build up immunity to radiation.
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Twisteddemonchild Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
I really hope you are joking... swallowing Americium is dangerous. Effects of radiation poisoning are chronic and will likely appear over a long period of time.
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