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What exactly is an 'intermediate' artist ?

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Viskamiro Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011
Like it says.
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doodlescribble Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2011   General Artist
Ehhh, I just see these skill levels as labels people throw around to feel better about themselves (or not). Besides, everyone has their own pace of learning--you can't really pinpoint what exactly an "intermediate" artist has to be.

[But I still consider myself a beginner oop]
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BlackjackConcpiracy Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2011
Everyone always seems to label his/herself as intermediate, so that's the definition; intermediate is whatever your own skill level is :D
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Viskamiro Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2011
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LadyKuki Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2011  Student General Artist
I am the prime example of intermediate. I've got the simplistic shading down, simple anatomy and all of that, but I have a long way to go before I consider myself "expert".

A person who's intermediate in my opinion is good at drawing, but not fantastic at it. Mainly due to problems with proportions and shading. Also, there's the whole perspective and foreshortening stuff. Again, I can do SOME of those things, but most of the times, I end up with something... rather crap.

So yeah. Intermediate meaning GOOD but not VERY good. Very good means the person knows focal point, value, shape, negative space, anatomy, and all of that stuff, hence why their drawings come out looking so awesome; because they know how to apply those lessons and use them in their artwork.
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Skystalker Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2011  Student Digital Artist
I wanted to consider myself at least starting at intermediate...

But after seeing all the people who do, I feel like I'm DEFINITELY still at beginning stages. :lol:
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Viskamiro Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2011
I never liked the word but hear it often.
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Skystalker Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2011  Student Digital Artist
I guess it's just a term for someone who's been at it for a while, isn't QUITE professional, but is probably better than just a beginner. =P I dont use it much myself.
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Nikki0417 Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2011  Student General Artist
Way back when I first got into digital art, I used to draw at an oekaki website that had their boards set up according to skill- beginners could only draw at the beginner boards, intermediates could draw in intermediate and beginner boards, and advanced artists could draw anywhere they liked. The problem with that set up was that the admins had varying views of what was beginner, intermediate and so on. I can remember posting drawings on intermediate boards and one admin allowing them only to have another admin delete them the next day, with a message saying I was still at a beginner level. Anyway, the moral of this rant story is that I think the idea of an intermediate artist is pretty subjective.

To me, once someone has an understanding of basic drawing principals but can't quiet execute them at a professional level, they are an intermediate artists, but even that is very subjective (i.e. my idea of professional level may differ from someone else). Virtually every artists I know thinks of themselves as an intermediate artist, myself included. I think that's because we're never satisfied with our level of work and constantly aspiring for more, which is a good thing, of course.
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painted-bees Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Oh man, are you talking about oekaki central?? I use to moderate that place hahaha! I never dug the arbitrary "skill rating" system either, especially considering next to none of the mods had a properly trained eye :I I mean, their criteria "advanced" art included "LOTS OF SHINU DETAILS DESU @www@" if your background wasn't competing with your foreground for attention in an eye gouging manner, you weren't "advanced" enough lmao.
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Nikki0417 Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2011  Student General Artist
I am! Talk about a small world, lol. I liked the community and different rooms, but I was never a fan of their skill ratings for the same reasons as you. If the detail wasn't packed on, the picture wasn't the almighty advanced level. Of course, back then I rating system because I was forever getting my pictures removed, haha. I felt like I was gambling- cashing in all my hours of work to see what happens. I can remember about five of my drawings getting removed a year after I made them because they were no longer up to standards. I didn't even know that was possible. :dummy:
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painted-bees Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Who knows. All I'm certain of is that industry-wise, I'm still a beginner, and most people who vocally identify themselves 'intermediate' probably aren't. The work should speak louder than the artist when it comes to that.
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Viskamiro Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2011
If you're a beginner I must be shit on a cracker.
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ArchitekOGP Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2011  Student General Artist
Intermediate is subjective I think, its like asking someone where does the arm finish and the hand start. We all have our own beliefs and as a result go by how we perceive rather than the persons actual skill. For instance, a drawing I find to be amazing might be rubbish to a talented artist with years of experience in drawings. The fact art itself is very subjective doesn’t help, there are no rules so a “beginner” or a “master” can have a legitimate reason for both sides of the spectrum. Basically I would not pay attention to gauging the level people are on, its works better for subjects that can be tested but not so much for art.
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tiffa Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
man that's such a gray area.. largely based on each person's opinion. I'm sure everyone's vision of 'master- beginner- intermediate' levels is different. I've been labeled intermediate before although I've worked in animation studios and have an internationally published graphic nove and comicsl D=. Oh wells lol. I would never call myself a 'master' tho, since I'm never satisfied with my work. It's a neverending road to continued improvement...
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Viskamiro Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2011
master sounds like something that very few could ever get to.

Who labeled you intermediate ?
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BlackInfinity666 Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011   Traditional Artist
I'm an intermediate. I think ^^;. It's someone who's got a pretty good understanding of the basics, but still needs to improve some...
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Zhrayde Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011  Professional General Artist
Simply put: Someone who has decent skills in art but not yet expert. At least, that's the way I see it. I usually classify anyone who "missed the basics" as a beginner and someone who's "almost got it" as intermediate. But that's me though... I'm sure everyone has a slightly different opinion. For a visual though, I'd classify my art as intermediate... :shrug:
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Siehorse Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011  Student Digital Artist
It takes 10,000 hours to become an expert at a craft. So, I suppose intermediate would be... 4,000 hours?
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Zhrayde Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011  Professional General Artist
That sounds about right... :O I've put about 2,500, hours give or take, in drawing time so far (not to mention studying it). So 4,000 hours seems pretty accurate. Or at least in my case that is... :D
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ArtOfRivana Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I suppose I am an 'intermediate' artist. I can't seem to get my artwork approved in the elitist groups but otherwise generally accepted anywhere (provided I submit to the right folder lol). *shrugs*
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Viskamiro Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011
I think they're harder on things like comics art.
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ArtOfRivana Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Nope I dont submit comics art to those.
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Viskamiro Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011
I didn't exactly mean comics, I don't know how to describe yours it looks like maybe they were characters from western comics.
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David-McCamant Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011  Professional Traditional Artist
Perhaps by offering a few more stages to the journey we can better define 'intermediate'. I see it much like learning to play a musical instrument.

Aspirant: One who enjoys making things creatively and likes the idea of one day making art. Someone who dabbles in drawing, painting or sculpture.
Beginner: One who has begun the initial stages of training. Someone who has a modicum of control over their medium.
Intermediate: One who has completed the basic techniques and is pursuing the craft more actively. Someone who can finally use the medium to make artwork.
Advanced: One who has finished technical training and learned to control their medium. This is much like a someone who has learned to read music, and freely play their instrument.
Master: One who's medium has become an extension of their creativity, yet as such, are always the student.
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Viskamiro Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011
Do you think if they don't go to school they might have varying skills ?
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David-McCamant Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011  Professional Traditional Artist
When I talk about training I'm referring to the craft of making art not specifically art school or collage. Many of which don't teach the craft. Without training you end up spending countless hours floundering in frustration. Self taught is actually the hardest way to learn anything. You have to learn the techniques to have skills.
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MorphoAdonis Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011  Student Traditional Artist
That huge middle-ground between beginner and master.
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kila-ibyao Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011  Student Digital Artist
I've wondered that my self. At what point are you in the threshold of intermediate, and when are you considered a master?
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Viskamiro Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011
If you sell art you are a professional, I heard. But I sold art before and don't even know if I'm intermediate !
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chaleencat11 Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011
Just because you're a "professional" doesn't mean you're an expert. That's not to say you're not any good (you're a million times better than me) but if you look at a lot of the popular musicians, they're not experts at all, but they're still professionals. Like I said, that's not to slander your art any, it's just a definition of terms.
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LittleSardines Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011  Professional Filmographer
I think it largely has to do with experience also. I mean, the more different kinds of subject matter and skill you display in each area you can show the more likely people are you view you as more than just intermediate... but I mean..people don't throw the word master around lightly - calling yourself or someone a master begins to compare them to classical masters like Da Vinci and Michelangelo and Monet, it's kind of a stretch for most artists nowadays. I've seen very few who could really be compared.
:P Sorry to jump in on that. I just had a thought.
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kila-ibyao Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011  Student Digital Artist
c: No no, you're fine. I appreciate you feed back. Thank you for your input.
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LittleSardines Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011  Professional Filmographer
Hmm. I suppose just about everyone who has a basic understanding of composition, anatomy, lighting, and various other elements of creating art could be called an intermediate artist. I suppose you'd become advanced the stronger your understanding of these principles and the more you develop your own style/can successfully interpret someone elses. =/ That's a tough thing to define. I'd say you're intermediate bordering on advanced. =)
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Viskamiro Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011
But are there only 3 levels ?
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LittleSardines Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011  Professional Filmographer
Well, anything can be broken down into a innumerable amount of different levels. 3 is just the easiest sort of umbrella categorization. I assumed you were referring to this type of categorization because of your reference to an "intermediate" artist.
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Pharaoh-Ink Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
A middle stage? I think once artists understand beginner concepts like proportions, anatomy, lighting, shading, colors, and the use of most tools whether they be digital or traditional, they could be considered at an intermediate level. But it's really hard to categorize since everyone learns at a different pace, and not everyone who draws traditional is familiar with digital means, and vice versa.
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Viskamiro Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011
So it is more like a word they say on here (self-described opinion) than anything to do with school levels or technical aspects ?
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Pharaoh-Ink Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well, since what schools teach and techniques constantly seem to be changing, are you considered a beginner just because you haven't learned the 'up-to-date' method of doing something? It seems rather silly. It's a great topic you've brought up though, as I cannot come to a perfectly concise opinion.
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MorphoAdonis Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011  Student Traditional Artist
Well, not every artist learns every media, and digital is as different a media from traditional as sculpting is from painting.
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Pharaoh-Ink Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Which is why I also included in my statement: But it's really hard to categorize since everyone learns at a different pace, and not everyone who draws traditional is familiar with digital means, and vice versa. :)
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MorphoAdonis Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011  Student Traditional Artist
Exactly.
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Viskamiro Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011
I didn't know if it was a real word that was ascribed in schools or just a way to not feel like a n00b.
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