What is with these people who are all like "herp derp own fault for not reading the installers derp"?
Are people seriously so deranged, that they accept this kind of shit as normal, that it's ok to do it as long as there's at least a nominal chance of avoiding the malware? Seriously? You people think it's ok to trap people like this? It's ok to con people, because it's their own fault if they fall for it?
Well shit, I didn't know this forum had been overrun with libertards.
Because it is their fault for not reading/paying attention. The vast majority of all computer problems are user generated. Plus they're downloading stuff from cnet... If the only place to get a program is a cnet download, its not worth using.
Congratulations, you have now figured out the reason for this thread. People should indeed not download anything from CNet, and since you already seem to know that, this thread does not concern you. You may go forth and spread the word, my son.
So, then, it's fine to drive along playing on your phone and not watching the road, right?
Nobody is trapping anybody! You're not being CONNED. You are being asked if you want something. Nothing is being downloaded without your permission! It's not their job to make sure you pay attention. That's on you.
We are NOT talking about a download that APPEARS to be what you want. You don't try to download gimp and get craptastic toolbar instead. You don't even get it automatically with the package. It asks SPECIFICALLY if you want that stuff. It doesn't hide it in the program. It doesn't just sneak it on there. YOU FREAKIN SAID OK. You said 'Yes! I want this!'
You don't know what it is you are agreeing to, that is your OWN FAULT.
Let me guess, you ALSO don't read the terms and conditions before using a site.
95% of people don't read the terms and conditions of anything. In fact some legal experts are of the mind that terms and conditions that are excessively long-winded should not even necessarily be legally enforceable, but that's beside the point...
The point is, you're being a total smart-ass. You're like that guy who comes into a restaurant totally naked, except he's wearing a tie and shoes, and he tells the waiters they can't refuse service because he's TECHNICALLY following the dress code.
(You can tell I'm fucking awesome with analogies.)
Similarly, you are TECHNICALLY correct that the user has a chance to not install the malware. Yes, that's true. Technically.
But you have to take in account that habits are powerful. There are such things as expected behaviours. People are used to installers working a certain way, and that way is "you click the ok button several times and the program installs". The entire CNet installer is built in such a way that it is easy to accidentally accept the malware if you're not paying attention all the time.
It's easy to be a smart-ass and tell people they should read everything carefully, but REALISTICALLY speaking, who's going to do that? Who's going to read the war and peace sized EULA of every program they install, especially if it's just something they want to try out?
So yes, it's TECHNICALLY possible to avoid the malware, but that does not make it ok in my view. It's not ok to mislead users and trap them into installing malware on their computers. People make mistakes, people click things by accident, sometimes people are tired or otherwise not paying full attention, and that's what these installers are counting on: they know that most of the time people will decline them, but they count on that certain percentage of times you'll be not totally paying attention and accidentally click on the wrong button and then you're screwed.
And what's even more sinister about this is that the software authors themselves do not necessarily have any idea what kind of crap is being pushed to users in their name.
'95% of people don't read the terms and conditions of anything.'
I've been involved in professional horse businesses for a long, long time. By law in most states, certainly in the one I am in, once you set foot on a farm you loose the ability to force the owner to take responsibility for anything that happens to you.
That means if you are on my farm, and one of my horses backs you into a corner and kicks the crap out of you, puts you in the hospital, etc- I am not liable. I don't have to pay. You can't sue me.
We don't have to have a sign on the barn that says that, but we do. Lots of places will make people sign a release that says they understand this. But we don't have to.
Now, if somebody comes onto my farm, gets hurt, then tries to sue me and their excuse is 'I didn't bother to read the sign' it doesn't make any difference. 'I didn't know' isn't a valid excuse.
Why? Well, the law is there because horses are really large animals with a brain of their own, and they are dangerous- and you should be smart enough to realize this. You decide to be around large animals and equipment, you get hurt, it's your choice. You didn't HAVE to come to the barn.
Just like you didn't HAVE to click 'I agree.' You CHOSE to do it. You saying 'I agree' is the same thing as coming onto my farm. By being there, you take responsibility for your actions.
You know, that's their own damn fault. They are there for a reason. Your defense is 'I'm lazy!'
And YES, they SHOULD be reading them! That is what they are THERE for! 'This is what you are agreeing to!' It is a CONTRACT YOU AGREE TO! YOU! Not them. It's YOUR fault if YOU don't read the stuff. They put it there for YOU to read.
They aren't misleading you! They don't say they are doing one thing and do another. They TELL YOU THEY ARE INSTALLING IT.
I don't care about force of habit- the habit is BAD! The habit is to IGNORE stuff.
Does that mean that, to you, ANYTHING is OK as long as it is habit? If I'm going around killing kittens, well, that's OK, because it's habit.
Wow, thanks for the incomprehensible rant full of strawman arguments.
I had no idea installing toolbars by accident was the same thing as killing kittens somehow. Thanks for letting me know...
ps, I didn't choose to click anything. I don't download anything from CNet, I don't use installers, because I don't use windows. I'm not on some kind of personal agenda here (although I get it if that's hard for you to understand).
You were the one who compared it to hiding a bear trap on a foot path.
And installing toolbars is like killing kittens? Well, if you click 'yes' because you aren't paying attention, and you step on kitties heads because you aren't paying attention to where you are walking...I can make that work.
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