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apple cpu help

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scorpafied Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
ok so im trying to choose which apple laptop to buy one is worth $2497 and is an i7 quad core 2.6 GHz. the other is worth $1687 and has an i7 dual core 2.9GHz. other then a 2 inch increase in screen size there isn't any noticable differences.

so i want to ask will there be any noticable differenc ein the speed of these two cpu's? and if so how much?

to help you guys out i'll provide links.

dual core: [link]

quad core: [link]
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CinderBlockStudios Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Do you have to use an apple laptop? Or even a laptop in general. Both options are WAY to overpriced.
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scorpafied Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2013
for space limitations a laptop would be very ideal. as it would allow me to have more in my room then just a computer desk and bed.

however if its not wrong to say so, ive actually fallen in love with a computer i seen yesterday. its windows 7 and is beyond bloody powerful exceeds all expectationss and is for the same price as what i was going to spend.

problems:
- i wanted an apple computer because its virus free. or well for the most part anyway. and this machine will mean i'll have to find a good virus protection program that is for free.
(which will be a pain in the ass.)

ive tried these programs:
- avg: i still got viruses despite it being up to date. in fact i dont think it ever actually stopped them

- microsoft security: im yet to get a virus or even be attacked by one. however i fell like this is a program made to be broken into.

- eset: this is a paid program. was never attacked or at least not notified of it if i was. but i dont intend on paying for protection anymore and the free version is probably rubbish.
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CinderBlockStudios Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Good free virus programs are quite plenty full. Perhaps you're not familiar with Avira, Avast, Malwarebytes, Trend Micro Housecall, Spybot, or Comodo

The thing with viruses is that as long as your smart about what you do online and what/where you download you should be just fine. I haven't had any real nasty viruses in about 4 years
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scorpafied Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013
i thought spybot and malwarebytes were only for spyware and didn't cover viruses and trojans and stuff like that?

ive heard of avast. im yet to try it but considering it ha sa paid version ive never looked at how good its free version is.

typically when there is a paid version. the free version is nothing more then a pile of crap, designed to get you interested in the paid service.
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CinderBlockStudios Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Yes spybot and malwarebytes are just supplementary, but they're still free and very good.

there's no reason to pay virus though. And unless you're planning on hacking, torrenting, or never closing your browser windows, then free software will cover you just fine. There's a really bad misunderstanding about viruses and virus removal these days, a solid software like those I mentioned will protect you from just about anything. Yeah every now and then something slips by, but to get an infection that destroys everything is about as uncommon as hardware failure.
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DTrinidad Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
What's the worst that can happen if I leave my browser window open? What site could either give me something malicious or steal personal info just by leaving a browser window open?
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CinderBlockStudios Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
While it's pretty uncommon you can be hacked that way. Most browsers and sites have safeguards but not all of them. It also drains your RAM but that's not a virus issue.
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scorpafied Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013
yeah alot of the viruses ive had the program describes as serous but all it has ever done is like:

- give me an error when starting up.
- prevent autoboot of usb. and present with error message.

and just dumb stuff liek that. but it is still annoying. i dont torrent but if i ever got a good internet plan i might start.

define "never close browser windows" when im browsing i keep them open as long as im interested in reading or looking at something on screen. and when im offline i shut the computer off.

either way id expect there to be a way of protecting my machine no matter what id be doing...but clearing there isnt...
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DTrinidad Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
If you get a virus, you're better off reformatting the hard drive and reinstalling Windows. Taking your PC back to the day you first bought it. Keep in mind though that whatever important files you have saved will be lost so back up your important files as often as possible. However, don't back up if your PC is already infected because the virus could spread to your flash drive or whatever you use to back up your work.
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scorpafied Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013
yeah hense why i dont do that. whats the point in even having a computer if you have to reformat everytime you get a virus.
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DTrinidad Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
No AV has ever been 100% perfect. What websites were you visiting when you started getting viruses? I hear stories of Windows users who never use an AV for years and they're still fine.
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scorpafied Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013
my moto is hope for the best, plan for the worst. i recall hearing that on a tv show or movie and it just kind of stuck with me.

so thats what i do. to be honest ive gotten them while doing completely innocent things like looking up programming methods and algorythms. and ive also gooten them while doing not so innocent stuff like porn. so go figure....

however like i said before its never done any harm. but it still means ive got to do all this work managing my computer when i get one. and id rather not have to. i should be able to just turn on and use. which is why i wanted an apple computer. but as everyone has pointed out why waste the money when you can get something more powerful for the same price?

ive fallen in love with a computer i found at a store, however i suspect its overclocking and considering how hot my room gets in summer im going to avoid anything that overclocks.
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CinderBlockStudios Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Like I said before it's about staying smart online. Clearing your registry helps quite often too though, as those are the files that often get infected.
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Aapis Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Professional Interface Designer
Doesn't really help, they could be totally different generations. For example, my Macbook has an i7 but the current model i5's are faster (because mine is older). From that description alone I wouldn't buy either. Then again, I would only order Apple products from apple.com. :shrug:
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pyrohmstr Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Professional Artist
I think you should get: [link]
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Pakaku Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
You'd be paying more for the extra cores. Which can make a difference, depending on what you plan on doing with the computer.
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scorpafied Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
programming games. adobe flash, potentially alot on screen for it to load up and any one time. and im considering video creation as well.
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Pakaku Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
So the cores would definitely benefit you.

But first, I'd suggest looking for used or refurbished units, since they're sold at lower prices than new. Apple has a Refurbished line on their website, that would be a good place to start.
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scorpafied Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
refurbished means older units restored to be like new arent they?
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Pakaku Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
Yeah, you wouldn't know it was a used model.
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delusionalHamster Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Why do you want to pay that much for a laptop? Doesn't make any sense. You can get one with similar specs for half the price if you just forget about paying for the brand...
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scorpafied Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
im not paying for brand. well i am but thats not why im paying the money. to be honest its for the piece of mind of not getting viruses all the time.

that and if i recall apple Operating Systems manage things like RAM better. i had adobe premier ona windows computer and it struggled to do anything with 4 gb of ram. yet i had a guy with an aapple laptop that was crap using the smae program and claimed to have no problems.
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DTrinidad Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
As long as you practice safe browsing habits, don't open email attachments from strangers, being careful where you enter personal information, and making sure all the software including Windows itself is updated with the latest patches you'll be fine. I recommend Firefox with AdBlock and NoScript when browsing the web. The best anti-virus solution is your brain!
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scorpafied Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013
all that is true. however ive gotten viruses a number of times just while browwsing websites. im obviously dont going to download any attachments from a stranger or anything stupid like that.

regardless though windows is good for compatibility and that alone. i use it because i grew up with it so im familiar with it but if movving to something else is going to give me a faster and safer somputer that i might not need to even put any work into managing all the bloody time. then great, tell me how much and i'll start saving.

in my eyes i dont buy a computer so i can sit there fixing it and managing it all the time. i just want to turn it on and use it. never having to worry about anything else. while your right its not ALL the time, its still often enought that it bugs me and the chance of it happening again is always there if windows.
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DTrinidad Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Hey I remember you with that Shinji Ikari avatar. You were in my Praise Tech Savvy People thread. What the Hell man? I thought you were tech savvy LOL.
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scorpafied Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013
i am tech savy. but i haven't had cash in ages so i didn't bother keeping up with latest and greatest cpu's and other computer parts.

hell my phone is sill pretty old school. when i say old school think back to when mp3s were first available on phones. so in that regard in the dark ages, lol.

but if i were to come into more money then all that would quickly change youd have to give me like a week or so probably to catch u[p with everything. but it would all go back to normal. :P
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DTrinidad Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I also own a 2005 Dell notebook and it still works fine. Most software I used these days usually update automatically.
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DTrinidad Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Then using Firefox or Google Chrome with those add-ons (ScriptSafe if using Chrome) is the solution. Nothing is ever 100% secure unfortunately. The bad guys are innovating all the time. I sometimes think the reason why the bad guys target Windows often is because it is widely used compared to Mac and Linux. There's malicious software for Mac and Linux as well, just not a lot. If you're a Mac user, you also have to worry about making all the software is up to date to ensure stability and security. Part failures can happen. I have a 2009 MacBook Pro and the WiFi card (or AirPort card) inside it is failing. Also, are you aware that for around the starting price of a Mac you can get a much more powerful machine?
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delusionalHamster Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
If you want to be virus-free, why not just get a generic pc and install linux? Much cheaper and works much better than mac os.

Most people think they "need" windows because they think they can't get the programs they need to work in any other OS. You're thinking of buying a mac so obviously that isn't an issue, so why pay all that money for nothing?

As for resource efficiency and RAM management, you simply can't beat linux. I have this old laptop with 512mb ram, it struggled to boot or run firefox with more than a couple of tabs on windows xp - you could forget about multitasking. Now I have a lightweight linux OS on it, and it runs like a charm, boots quickly and you can actually do stuff with it. My other computer is an old dualcore with 4gb ram, and I can easily run firefox with almost 100 tabs open without slowing, while I have 4-5 other programs open.
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scorpafied Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013
wow i might actually get linux then. sounds really good. i was stearing clear of it because some mates of mine told me about some bad stuff that happened when they had it installed.

but by the sounds of it it might be worth getting. and yeah having programs that work isn't a huge deal as long as i have a program like paint, microsoft word, a browser, a media player that works and adobe master collection. i wont mind what i have.

my only real concern with linux is its going to require a reasonable amount of knowledge about computers and with a system like that you never really know if what you have is enough until you either get screwed or it works out fine. also although macs are expensive which is bad considering i dont really have the money to fork out like that, i suspect they'll require less work in terms of management.

my ideal computer would be one i literally dont need to worry about viruses or fixing all the time. and will work like a charm everey time i use it without having to worry about lag or slowing down because i have some shit open.

with that in midn that only really leaves mac and linux. and they both have there pros and cons.
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delusionalHamster Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well you might have problems or you might not, it depends very much on the distribution. See there are lots of different linux distributions, that are all based on the linux kernel (but some use a newer or older version of the kernel). Some of them use more cutting-edge packages and software, while some are more conservative. The advantages of using a cutting-edge one is that you get all the new features and things, but it might be less stable and you might run into issues. A more conservative distro is much more stable in use.

You should also research a bit about the hardware you buy, some hardware is known to have problems with linux (not many anymore, it used to be much more of a issue a couple of years ago). Some AMD graphics cards, and I think some wifi hardware... anyway you usually can easily find information by googling or asking on some forums about a certain computer, just find out if there are any known problems with it.

As for viruses, you can pretty much forget about viruses on linux. I've never run an antivirus on my linux os and I've never had a single virus or any other malware. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't be careful, there's some stuff you need to learn, like never giving root permissions to unknown software. But that's pretty easy, you'll be asked for your password every time something needs root.

I could recommend some distros for you that are easy to install for beginners. Linux mint 13 is pretty good, it uses the cinnamon desktop which is very easy to use for someone who's used to windows or mac. Ubuntu 12.04 is also ok, but it comes with unity which is a bit hit and miss - you might like it or not, it's a bit... different. Those are both long-term support versions so they'll be supported for 5 years or so, so you won't have to upgrade to another version for 5 years which is nice. I also hear good things about SolusOS and Snowlinux but I haven't tried them personally so I can't say much about them.
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Aapis Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Professional Interface Designer
Don't let this fool confuse you. There is nothing inherently wrong with Linux OS', but they are not built for average users doing normal, every day tasks. Most professional development companies don't support it, and the emulation programs to run those programs are often hit or miss whether or not the app will run well. You have far less to worry about in regards to viruses, but there are Linux viruses out there so it isn't a totally bullet proof solution.

Linux's power is in the administration tools. You can do and change things that Windows won't allow you to. The advantage of this is that you have total freedom. The disadvantage is that you can destroy your laptop with very little effort, completely by accident. Someone like you who is in high school (or below) won't benefit from anything Linux has to offer. This guy is feeding you utter crap anyways. There's no reason why you can't run any browser with 100+ tabs open all the time. I do it every day at work on Windows, sometimes on OSX, but neither has an inherent problem with it. It isn't any better or worse at managing RAM than anything else, that's the most ridiculous assertion I've ever heard.

And I hope you don't like Chrome, because it's a pain in the ass to install. Actually, damn near everything is. And when the distribution developers try to make it more user friendly, the beards cry about it. So we're stuck with partially user friendly software that can be very powerful in the right hands.
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scorpafied Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013
thanks for the reply. that actually helped clear things up for me and i'll stick with the mac thanks. i'll give that a spin and if that doesn't work out well then back to windows i'll go.

also hahahaha im not in high school. not sure what gave you that idea. lack of grammar perhaps? anyways i finished year 12 like 4 years back.

as for the 100+ tabs. im not sure why on earth youd need that many open at one time. it would be a pain in the ass to get through them all. i just assumed he was running terribly old and slow machine...

this is exactly my problem, which you have just confirmed for me. the potential for what i could do with linux is great and that is attractive. but the problems you can regularly run into and the risks you run by using it is much greater.

think of your ideal look and navigation for an os. no matter how futuristic or far away it might be from the current set up. now something cool id love to be able to do would be to hide everything on the desktop. then set the background to whaever works for that design. and then develop like an interactive app to be running on the desktop that can act as your ideal OS.

that would be awesome. however your obviously limited in some regards as thats all you could change, that and icons. things like theme of the windows and stuff would be off limits. that could be different in linux i dont know...

either way thanks for the help. your posts are always informative and helpful.
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Aapis Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Professional Interface Designer
Well you don't NEED 100+ open at once, but the way I work they just accumulate for days and weeks at a time (sometimes). It isn't recommended, especially on Chrome as it will just eat RAM until there is none left. But that's a Chrome issue, not an OS issue.

It's a system built on the principle that you don't do something unless you know what it's going to do. For the average consumer (regardless of age, that was an assumption on my part and I apologize for it) that just won't work. People are curious, and frequently throw caution into the wind. Especially when it comes to technology.

You've just described an operating system. :B You can do all of that with all of the current modern OS' anyways, it would just take some work. The limits that Windows puts on it's software make sense, they don't want people to buy a $1000 computer and then screw it up 5 minutes later. Those are just consumer limits, though. They do provide an extensive API for developers to get around those limits for their applications. So in that regard Linux and Windows are pretty equal, except for the fact that Linux doesn't hold your hand initially. It assumes you are more than an average user, and I think that's why it has never made any waves in the consumer desktop market.

I just really hate it when blind fanboys try to mislead people into believing them.
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scorpafied Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2013
in all honesty windows would be perfect if it wasn't filled with so many viruses. and as i just expalined to another user. ive used a number of virus protection programs. i dont remember them all but im yet to find one that completely protects my machine for free.

and i do agree if someone is to expllain a product or service. they should tell it like it is!
instead of misleading them because they liked it so much.
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