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$liquisoft:iconliquisoft: Jun 11, 2005, 3:59:17 PM
This forum was created to serve as a point of contact between people looking for creative work, and creative people looking to do work. So with that in mind, this forum is a success, as plenty of people come here looking to get some of deviantART's talented artists and designers to create some spectacular stuff.

However, there is something which plagues this section, and has for years: those offering jobs assign little to no value to creative work.

All creative work is valuable, and the work created by our artists is no exception. If you're going to be asking for help with creating a new logo or even a new website, you need to be willing to pay. The pay doesn't have to be a huge amount, but it needs to be fair.

As a point of reference, let's think about Xerox Inc. They paid upwards of $8,000,000 for their new identity, which basically was a logo, a color scheme, some packaging designs, and a graphic standards manual. Millions of dollars for such simple things. Why so much? Because a ton of research and thought was put into the creation of the work, and with a new identity Xerox stood to make more money, money that they would not have made had they not appeared fresh and exciting.

I'm not suggesting anybody here expect to pay millions of dollars for work, but rather I'm suggesting you all consider that any work done for you has value even if you don't expect to be making a ton of money off of it.

So when you're asking for help, offer something fair in return. If you own a restaurant, offer free food. If you sell iPods, give one to the designer. It doesn't have to be money, but it has to be fair.

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~jackinbox:iconjackinbox: Jun 11, 2005, 9:34:42 PM
Amen, brother. Thank you for posting this; we've been needing it for too long.
~EspionagePenguin:iconEspionagePenguin: Jun 11, 2005, 9:44:49 PM
Well said, well said.

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~vnigma:iconvnigma: Jun 11, 2005, 11:46:34 PM
Amen. This is exactly what I wanted to hear~

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~shibu333:iconshibu333: Jun 12, 2005, 12:28:46 AM
u r right. i want to point out one more point.

if some one offer a creative work through this forum , he has to announce the final result of that work. ie i mean he has to say he accepted this work or rejected all. i notice that some clients collect work from all but didnt say any thing about it.may be he use one of them. But the artist didnt get any credit of his work. its too bad.

so i say once more :All creative work is valuable, and the work created by Deviant artists is no exception.
~BjornMA:iconBjornMA: Jun 12, 2005, 3:04:14 AM
Shibu,

I think the best way to solve that, is by adding your signature or water mark to the art piece. it offcourse depends on what size it is and you should keep in mind that it does not cover the whole piece, but just a little icon showing it`s made by you. I myself would not have too much problems with it when reviewing art .

About the Xerox thing, yes that is true , they paid boat loads of money for that. But saying its "just" a logo and a style guide is a bit narrow minded. I bet the designers had to create Tons of different sized logos for different products (packaging , media, products etc.) and therefor had to keep in mind multiple "color types" (RGB, CMYK, etc) and dont forget money for TM-ing the logo world wide is also included in that budget.

HOWEVER, this does not take away that you def. should ask and more importent GET a fee for your work. tbh. i think that some guys here ask a bit too little. Myselve I am not a huge fan of fixed rates for websites for example. Too much things are dependend on the customer, and before you know it you spend way more time on it then expected because the customer would like this this and that changed a bit.

just my 2ct

regards,

Bjorn
~reflectdesign:iconreflectdesign: Jun 12, 2005, 4:25:11 AM
Exactly what needs to be said Ryan!

Cheers for this maybe we can see an end to the $10 logos :)

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~JSpengs:iconJSpengs: Jun 12, 2005, 9:27:33 AM
Re Shibu's post

(now this is how I read it, mind you, so I could be wrong. However, this is also a concern of mine as well.)

But I think Shibu might have been refering to how people will post things in this forum and there won't be any public follow up. Someone might say "I want a new logo, note me for details" and one or two people make a reply saying they have done so. If the person wanting a logo has found a suitible artist, they should come back to their initial post and say that they are no longer looking for someone. That way, a curious artist can know right off that the offer is past.

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~BjornMA:iconBjornMA: Jun 12, 2005, 9:57:00 AM
ah i see, i understand your problem

How about setting up some extra rules then ?

First off just some kinda min. info rule, like :

Company name
Type of work
skills needed
Project Description
Payment
Duration
how long the offer stands

i`m sure all the offers in here should be able to do so..

and on top of that , basicly kill the thread after the offer is over, or after a certain time frame, this forces people to repost if still wanted or not.

just my 2ct.

regards,

Bjorn
~EvilGummy:iconEvilGummy: Jun 12, 2005, 10:07:05 AM
Also, all of you artists out there should take the time and type up a contract. It doesn't take much work, and if you don't want to buy a real book on it searching the web can bring up some templates.

I see too often people not getting paid because they didn't bother to make a contract to keep both parties from not doing their part.