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Comic book artists wanted

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ShastaB24 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012
I'm looking for artists for a comic script of mine. Normally, I would solicit for an entire issue with one artist, but time is of the essence for this one, so if each artist could do an issue, it would save a lot more time. I'm able to pay $5 per page. The comic will be in print and standard comic size. I don't have a preference as to style of art (with the exception of stick figures and sprites) or whether it's digital or traditional. I do say that it must read left to right and I prefer color (though the latter can be done by a different person). If it could be done in a week, that would be ideal.

I also have other scripts, which I would want whole artists on each. The $5 per page still applies, though I prefer to steer people towards taking 50% of the proceeds off the sales of the book in that circumstance, since I can't pay up-front on everything, sadly. When your funds are limited, your funds are just limited.
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TheRaccoonRamirez Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2012
Hi Im a freelancer illustrator able to work on every step of the process (script, pencil, ink, color, lettering), please take a look at my online portfolio, and feel free to contact me immediately if interested.

chocoboninja@gmail.com
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kiomaru1 Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Student Artist
hi i am really interested . i can do lineart and coloring as welll . please take a look at my gallery [link] !!!
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ShastaB24 Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012
I replied to your note.
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Anthellis Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2012  Student General Artist
Hello!

I would definitely be interested in the job. I pride myself on being very versatile with my art style, and am confident that I can give you what you are looking for. :) Since I'm just starting out, and need the experience, I could work for the price stated.

Take a look at my gallery to see some of my work. If you are interested, please note me.
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ShastaB24 Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2012
I sent a note.
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diogolando Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2012
Hi. Please take a look at my portfolio at www.diogolando.com and contact me if you're interested in my work and want do discuss more details about the colaboration/job
Regards
Diogo Landô
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ShastaB24 Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2012
I sent you an e-mail.
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BestialArt Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012  Professional General Artist
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ShastaB24 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012
That's actually pretty funny. And poignant. We as adults really are too reactionary to being offended. Still not going to watch shows that strive to offend all that often, but still, that's a good thing to think about.
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BestialArt Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012  Professional General Artist
For the sensitive artists :D
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RollingKittenBall Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2012
Starving artists just want to rant and will pounce on every cheap or especially 'heeey i want you to draw all these difficult things for me but i won't pay anything for it lololol' poster that didn't read job offers forum guideline.
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BestialArt Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2012  Professional General Artist
'Starving Artists' I hate that expression. Rant and pounce? Very professional.
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LucidCreations Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Hey Shasta, what do you do for a living?


Are you willing to do it for 5$ a day? Maybe 10$ a day?


No?


Then don't ask us to.
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ShastaB24 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012
I'm fully aware that this is probably a foolhardy endeavor. I hate not having money. If I felt I had the talent, I would do the comic myself.

Really, I see the responses and I want to curl in a corner because I never wanted to be seen as one of those people who feels entitled to such things. I fully expect when asking to get people saying no or not to respond. Artists should know what they're worth and I am not asking enough for most of them. I get that.

And I don't know what to say other than that. Chances are this post is just going to get negative responses. But that's what happens, I guess. I really am sorry for such things. Sometimes hope overrides common sense. That seems to be what happened here. Maybe some day things will be better for me and I can afford artists who are worth something.

Probably shouldn't have posted this in the first place, but what's done is done.

And in closing, to answer your question, with my job, I would take an offer of $5 to do a comic page. I never should expect others to, but I just wanted to say what it is for only me, and hope nobody thinks I'm trying to place my value into an expectation towards everybody else. Besides, my art sucks, so of course I would accept less.
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LucidCreations Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I actually didn't ask if you would take 5$ per comic page. I asked if you would work for 5$ a day at your current job instead of what you currently make. Because that's about the wage you're asking to pay an artist, who does art for a living. :P In any case...

If your project is SERIOUS, my advice would be to save up money so you can hire a quality artist. A good full-page comic page can take a full day or even two or three(depending on the style or pencils, inks, and colors you want). If you want quality work, you should save up for it. Hiring someone who WILL do it for 5$ (probably) won't end up getting you published or your comic seen, because it won't be high quality. It really depends on what you're looking for.

Are you looking to get published? Are you a small company? Are you just a kid in high school who has a good idea but no money?

If you are the latter, then I'd suggest finding a younger artist who is willing to COLLABORATE with you for 50% of the profits and post this in the Projects section. It may be more successful for you and you won't offend artists by asking them to work for slave wages. :)
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ShastaB24 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012
I do generally look in Projects, but I think I jumped on the idea that I could pay an amount, even if it's so small. It wasn't the smartest thing to do, I understand.

And the sad thing is that at my age I should be better off than I am. I'm 28 and have a college degree, but I work 14 hours a week and don't even own the place I live in. My savings are mostly to get myself established so I can move into a better place (somewhere with an actual front door, for instance). My comic endeavors are in part to do something worthwhile with what I'm truly good at (writing) in the genre I truly love (superheroes). The biggest obstacle is the lack of a coherent artistic community where I live, because if we had one, I would be able to interact with the artists and find ways to work with what I can in that regard. If I'd been looking while going to college, things might have been easier, as the artistic community there was much more nicely established. But, alas, I was focused on studies.

In fact, the artist I desperately want to do my comics that I know is actually in my family, but he doesn't have access to the Internet (or even a computer) and I would rather pay an artist over PayPal (plus, I don't have hard copies of the script or references--I should do something about that). I should talk to him, though, because I should be able to work out something. But I also don't want him to feel obligated because I'm a family member, especially when he has his own personal issues to deal with day to day.

But I will say that I'm not brushing off your suggestions. They make sense. I'm just explaining where I'm coming from. And rambling. I'm good at the rambling.
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LucidCreations Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I do understand where you're coming from. Clearly you're more interested in doing your thing than you are in screwing people. :) I'm glad that you took the time to reply rather than just telling me to fuck off and that you'll hire someone from India and get everything you want for 5$. (That happens to me on probably a daily basis here)

It's a tough world when what you want to do isn't easy...trying to be a freelance artist nowadays and support myself is almost impossible, especially with how many people want to screw us. I have to work somewhere else at least part time because I simply can't get enough work that pays well with art. It sucks!

I think you could easily find an artist who is willing to make a small gamble (especially if they like your script) and help you out. I'd just go about it differently, maybe, and try to get people really interested in what you're doing. :)

On that note, if you need someone as an inker, as my art work is currently very slow, and I would be up for helping you out (assuming you don't find someone to do all three). Provided you don't have insane time limits, I think I could find time to do this and make a contract with you in case you do actually publish or something. Just let me know if you need inking/what you think of that. ;)

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ShastaB24 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012
I'll try to keep you in mind. Thank you.
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LucidCreations Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
:)
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dadich Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
5$ a page?, I don't know a single artist that would do a frame for 5$
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ShastaB24 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012
And I'm sorry. Please refer to my post above (if you want to pay me any more mind) as to my mindset with things. Maybe this post will quickly die, or something.
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RollingKittenBall Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012
"since i can't pay upfront on everything"
It's 5$/page and you won't pay it upfront :cry: ?
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ShastaB24 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012
I meant on everything. The times I do make an agreement to pay the artist, I will pay up-front. I just don't have much money. See above for my apology to everybody and whatnot. I really am sorry for this post.
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Brollonks Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I recommend to view at this PDF file, which shows how to commission an artist. No real professional artist will work for $5 per page - a comic needs TIME, and time is MONEY. This PDF file, created by professional artist Randy Gallegos: [link] will show you what you have to do for hiring any artists you are looking for.

This PDF is also useful for artists who want to educate their potential clients. Good luck. And if you haven't seen the link above, here it is again: [link]
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ShastaB24 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012
I think I've seen that, and now I feel awful for everything with this, because I should have thought before posting. If you care to pay me any heed further (you have every right not to), you can see my apology above.
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Brollonks Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Hi there, don't worry, there are many people who need to get information about the way of hiring an artist. And I see you really took the time to read all the posts. I hope you won't get further posts of "angry" artists. Sadly it's not rare that people are becoming abusive.

That's why I posted the link to the PDF file, so everyone can learn more and share it with others.:) It's difficult nowadays, because I really met people who think an artist does his work during lunch-time, and therefore can't be paid that much. Most people have no idea what it means (the amount of work and time) to draw, paint, color, etc.

Anyway, if you have any question feel free to ask.
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ShastaB24 Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2012
Well, I think any time people lash out, they aren't necessarily lashing out at me--they're reacting to what some people will do. That they saw a similarity in where I am coming from is understandable. I can't help my own financial situation, but I also know I shouldn't expect other people to cater to it. Art is best when the people doing it have put their all into it. Usually that means a good amount of time, of course. I know that, like everything artistic, there can be exceptions (like when I write something I personally find amazing in about ten minutes), but such exceptions are never something to count on.

Really, one thing I truly wonder is how the people who participate in 24 Hour Comic Book Day do it. I consider myself quite fast with art, and I could never be that fast. And I've seen some amazing 24 hour comics. But this paragraph is only tangentially related to the one above. Sorry about that.
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LucidCreations Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Very nice PDF! That is some sound advice that 90% of people commissioning others don't follow. :/
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Brollonks Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Glad I could help. Please share this file with anyone you know, Randy Gallegos recommends it so we can educate clients (or non clients as well) and artists all over the world. We need to teach people that we do real work and that an image isn't done by clicking on a button in Photoshop...
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LucidCreations Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
No kidding.

And I will. It has been a pretty tough struggle for me as a freelancer, constantly being told that the client can just hire an artist from India for 5$/hour or less. And they do it for that price when they could get so much more...it's killing all artists. :x We need to band together and get what we're worth! lol
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SergioKa Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2012   Digital Artist
The clients who are hiring artists for 5$ hour or less, are hiring slave work.
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LucidCreations Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Yes they are, exactly. But as an artist, I have been turned down for many jobs because I simply can't afford to be paid little enough. Clients are cheap pricks and that needs to change. =/
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Phaedonagonistes Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012
I can draw you some really awesome stick figures for that AND have the issue done in an hour. Uh huh, true story.
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ShastaB24 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012
I'm truly sorry. I'm kicking myself for making this post, letting hope rule over common sense, because really there's no way an artist would agree to my situation. It's odd feeling two inches tall when you're online.
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Phaedonagonistes Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012
Don't feel bad, we are just frustrated sometimes by the low-ball offers that seem to predominate this board. What you might want to do is find an artist who will collaborate with you because he likes your writing and is willing to do the project gratis for the exposure or whatever. Good luck
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ShastaB24 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012
Thank you. Low finances suck. Not knowing any artists personally sucks. Living in freaking Shasta County without a vehicle to go out in search of such artists really sucks. I hold no ill will towards any negative commenters. They're trying to stick up for those who get trampled upon. I understand where they're coming from and in fact encourage them to call out those who are being terrible at such things. Know that I don't feel attacked so much as annoyed at myself for doing things incorrectly.
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Kokoro-Aoi Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012  Student General Artist
If you need a colorist let me know
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ShastaB24 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012
As it goes, if anybody is actually willing to do this, they really would be likely looking for somebody else to color, but considering my finances (based on the paltry amount offered), I would likely be the one coloring. Sure, I'm not that great at it, but such is how it goes. Of course, it may all be done by me, anyways, considering the responses here. Thanks for offering, but I think people will tell you to set your aims higher, and I'm okay with that.
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Kokoro-Aoi Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012  Student General Artist
well yeah, may be you should move this to the proyects forum and see if you find someone who does this as hobie or offer half of the sales. god luck
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ShastaB24 Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2012
Good to know that I should stay in Projects. I'll do that in the future. I'll probably put a post up there tomorrow (or tonight, actually).
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Kokoro-Aoi Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2012  Student General Artist
ppl who do this for a living cant afort work for 5, is the sad true. :)
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ShastaB24 Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2012
Yeah. But the sad thing is really how few people can afford to pay artists what they're worth. The term "starving artist" never ceases to be relevent, I guess.
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Kokoro-Aoi Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Student General Artist
the one who want can´t
and the ones who can want not
being an art related pro is tougth
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Alvah-and-freinds Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012  Student Artist
Count me in ^^
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ShastaB24 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012
Hey, I noted you before. I forgot how far we went with it, but I think I'm ready to send you a script. Did you say you wanted the 50% of the proceeds or $100 per issue? I forget.
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Alvah-and-freinds Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2012  Student Artist
That's the deal we agreed upon ^^
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ShastaB24 Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012
I finally sent you a script. Sorry about the wait.
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Alvah-and-freinds Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Student Artist
That's ok ^^
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heavycat Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
"I'm able to pay $5 per page."

We charge $5 for a 32x32 sprite frame.
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ShastaB24 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012
And I realize very much so how stupid it can be to make such a post. My first reply, which I have been telling people is above but is really below (because I'm responding to it in my messages rather than the actual post and not remembering how they're set up), has a detailed apology.
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