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June 9, 2008
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clayoverground Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2008   Writer
As I posted earlier I was scammed out of a lot of money by a member here who has scammed hundreds of other artists and writers. Yet, his account here is STILL ACTIVE!!!

This is what I mean. DA has known that "crazypens" is a fraud, ripping off several DA members, they've been notified by several members. Beware of this guy, he's got a criminal record and goes by several aliases. Google his real name, Josh Hoopes for hundreds of scams by this jerk.

Here's the kicker. DA will now lock this thread and give an excuse. Yet still they will do nothing, just watch. I've written them, posted everywhere and they lock my thread everytime. They have proven they do not care about you or the illegal activities that go down here. FYI.

I've been real cool about this in trying to get his account closed, but nothing yet. he's still around and still approaching other artists, to scam them.
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:iconclayoverground:
clayoverground Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2008   Writer
We will agree to disagree then :)
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clayoverground Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2008   Writer
Rights?! This is a privately owned website, if they have "probable" cause they can ban whomever they want! A simple google search of his name brings a criminal record and hundreds of posts (some from here) written by countless artists that were ripped off by him. Guess who's connected to that name? crazypens. Don't give me this double-talk rhetoric, it doesn't hold up.

As for my end, the cops are max attentive to my situation and are actively pursuing this guy. However in the mean time, my efforts here to have him banned before he rips of more here (which he's still doing) is not only valid, but justified. DA should ban this guy, period and no platitudes regarding the "rules & regulations" will change the obvious need to do so.
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:iconamade:
amade Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2008  Professional Digital Artist
I'm sure dA can ban whomever they want, but this sort of thing usually leads to more trouble and would be detrimental to dA itself. Since it's their website, they can choose not to ban anyone, unfortunately. Either way people will complain, but they will obviously want to protect their interest first so they choose the action with less collateral damage.

As far as I can tell it seems you're more upset that dA's not doing anything about the guy than you are from the fact you've been scammed. And still, I don't see the point of banning the guy. Exposing him is obviously necessary, and you have done that. You've also alerted the police, and I hope they'll get the guy. But banning the guy from this forum will only make him take up a different persona/IP/etc and continue doing what he does. As far as prevention and justice is concerned I don't think dA can do anything much about it, so I just hope that the police can do something about your case.
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karonafalsegod Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2008
Got this from $realitysquared:

"Unfortunately private transactions are completely at the risk of the people entering into them.

deviantART is not directly involved in any private transaction and because of that we have no way to verify and of the agreements or whether or not any particular event did or did not occur; because of this we cannot intervene in or attempt to enforce any private transaction between two people.
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clayoverground Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2008   Writer
No one is asking them to "intervene in a transaction", just ban a member that's using his account to cheat hundreds of members through their system. Their not listening, and that's the major problem here.
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amade Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2008  Professional Digital Artist
As mentioned in the post before you, they don't have any way to verify that the guy is cheating so they can't just ban him. It may be obvious to most people but it needs to be proven first, basic rights and all that etc.

Plus, there's plenty of ways to avoid a ban if you're determined enough. The best thing to do is make the community aware of the fraud (as somebody else previously said, it's easier to spot an exposed fraud than a banned one using a different account), and heed the basic advices in conducting safe transactions.

If you're seeking retribution then gather up all the evidence you can get (e-mails, contracts, whatever) and approach the relevant authorities. If you had simply handed over your money without any paper trail then there's nothing much anyone can do.
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SicilianValkyrie Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2008  Professional General Artist
Thank you for the advice man
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clayoverground Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2008   Writer
It may be dumb, but he's winning as long as DA let's him scam people through their system.
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GraphicArtist2k5 Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2008
If this josh hoopes guy is indeed guilty, then he should be dealt with accordingly. There's all sorts of pictures that I've drawn from pictures that I looked at, but I never would say that I'm the one who originally created them. That's just dumb as hell.
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masig2002d Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2008
hey, you posted something like a job offer before but cant find it in this forum. I'm kinda interested. Or is the position already filled?
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clayoverground Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2008   Writer
Here's another artist scammed by this guy josh hoopes (currently known as crazypens on DA).

He's even left links to others being scammed, check this out. The best park is one of the links is to a thread about him posted on DA, which was deleted by the admin, more proof they don't care. check this out...

[link]
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karonafalsegod Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2008
[i]currently known as crazypens on DA[/i]

Crazypens is probably just one of many accounts... Check the link in my post above.
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karonafalsegod Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2008
HOLY SHIT, this guy never seems to stop.

[link]

^ Check his activity, just see how his supposed artwork seems so damn disconnected from each other.
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clayoverground Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2008   Writer
Unbelievable. His account is still there and he's still scamming folks. I've done my share of notifying DA, so have countless others.
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qqhisoka Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
...................O_O
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vrm1979CRAFTS Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2008
hey, I think it's better to have him around because if dA blocks or bans his account he will appear with a different name and nobody will be aware. If he's still here it will be easier to stay away from him, don't you think so? :)
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Kizziesama Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2008
If he tries to make another account after being banned, that account would also be banned :)
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vrm1979CRAFTS Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2008
that's good but he won't have the oportunity of starting to be a nice person someday. Is better to ignore his posts and if hefeels bad about what he has done he will be able to talk at least, which is always good, I think :)
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Kizziesama Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2008
No, that would be the policy on this site. Ban evasion is punishable by.. banning. They're not banning an account, they're banning a person.

He shouldn't have scammed people in the first place.
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Godly-Effect Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2008  Student Traditional Artist
You know the problem with that. dA could have no way of telling who he signed up as again if he goes to a different host computer (He'd also have a different IP so that would fail aswell) and could also use a different Email address. There would be no way of dA knowing it would be him..
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Kizziesama Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2008
But if he falls into the same habit, he would get himself banned again.
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clayoverground Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2008   Writer
That's absurd, I hope you're kidding? He is ripping artists off for thousands of dollars so far and has an extensive criminal record. He's a professional con-man and makes a living off illegal activity. So you want to let him "stay around so he can be a nice person someday?"

Are you insane?
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Godly-Effect Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2008  Student Traditional Artist
Ban his IP then. Should be pretty easy...
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vrm1979CRAFTS Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2008
ah, didn't know that an IP can be banned, yeah, that would be a solution :)
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Kizziesama Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2008
DA will now lock this thread and give an excuse.

Well, this forum has one purpose... to post job offers. This isn't a job offer, is it?
And you can try contacting the Help Desk to see if there is anything they can do about his activity, in regards to his scamming. :)
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quadrophobia Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2008  Professional Digital Artist
But the warning being offered in these posts is relevant only to the people who post in this forum, so it makes sense to post it where those it's important to will actually see it, don't you think?
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SicilianValkyrie Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2008  Professional General Artist
You are right.
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Kizziesama Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2008
As true as that is, I've seen other warnings get locked all the same. And they were relevant to the offers being posted in this forum :shrug:
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Garkudion Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2008
Are you a mod? If not, you sure troll these type of posts hard.
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:iconkizziesama:
Kizziesama Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2008
Neither :)
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Garkudion Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2008
Ah. Not a mod. You're one iron-fisted chick then. xD
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Kizziesama Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2008
If only :lol: Besides, I think there's a "Fake offer" thread that was made into a sticky for such a situation as this thread :nod:
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:iconclayoverground:
clayoverground Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2008   Writer
Indeed, and DA has done nothing with the info on that thread. This is the only place on this site where something will be seen by artists. The other threads and help desk are useless, DA does nothing, I've tried both.
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CrimsonWolf64 Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2008
whenever have helpdesk helped with anything? :thumb76534487:
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:iconkizziesama:
Kizziesama Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2008
When I've reported 11-12 year-olds on the site :aww: And what's with the thumb?
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CrimsonWolf64 Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2008
hmm thumbs dont work here i supose.
you can post it elsewhere if your curious :p
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:iconkizziesama:
Kizziesama Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2008
No, they don't... and I'm not all that curious.
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karonafalsegod Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2008
I believe you can try the Helpdesk.

Also be on the lookout for ~liveink, although I believe I may have scared him away.
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karonafalsegod Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2008
Actually, no. I just checked and he is still active.

Possibly one of Josh's aliases?
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