I'm using "rules" in quotes because in this matter there are no hard laws, but a set of conventions that developed and that people have come to expect in superhero comics. Since I started posting mine, commenters have occasionally pointed out how it followed or broke such conventions. That's what got me interested in them. What conventions do you know in this genre? Do you expect them? Do you feel wrongfooted if they are not respected? Do they bore you? Discuss!
I'll start with a few I noted: - The hero's identity must be secret, and identity breaches only happen rarely and pretty far down the storyline. - The hero must have a superhero name and a real name - There must be at least one personalized supervillain (as opposed to, say, forces of nature or random criminals) to oppose the hero - The hero must have some kind of helper - The hero must experience some kind of personal struggle ('tis the fad of the age) etc...
As for me, I like that they are there, as something to refer to, and referring to them in my own story is what ties it to the genre, but I don't feel bound by them at all. I develop the story along its own inner logic for me that's much more important than fitting into a genre.
I like secret identities myself, and if I have a comic, I'll use one. But there are a lot of superheroes that either never did or didn't use secret identities, like the Fantastic Four, or the Avengers. I think having two names is great, adds a lot of spice to the stuff.
I notice almost every superhero has an evil doppelganger, like an evil version, like Spider-man/Venom, Superman/Bizarro, etc. It's almost becoming way too standard to force feed us these "dark" versions, especially when they become antiheroes.
I think the personal struggles thing is borrowing too much from heroes like Spider-man that try to relate. We need something new that we haven't seen before!
If I ever make a comic, I want to break a lot of the standards in the genre. Like, some plots I've written involve characters with superpowers, but these abilities don't manifest until many, many issues down the road. The comic wouldn't even seem like a superhero comic, more like a simple drama, with little paranormal incidences occurring every few issues or so until it eventually builds into a full-fledged superhero thing, in the hopes of being more realistic.
I wonder about that, it seems to be a recent thing with a lot of characters' stories rewritten for them to come into their powers as teenagers, in order to win that market over. It seems to me the stories were a lot more adult-centric originally, though I could be wrong.
No, I don't think you're wrong. Most of your Golden Age heroes were adults when they came into they're powers, with of course a few exceptions, i.e. Spidey, Supes (depending on what revisited origin story you're reading). I don't think the teenager thing became the norm until the X-Men (whose powers manifest during puberty) started getting popular in the late seventies and early eighties.
I hate how they went back and said Spider-man was 15 when he got his powers. Seeing as he went into college only a few issues after he got his powers, I highly doubt it.
Ultimate Spider-man sticks to the 15-year old thing and does it well, at least.
15 does seem young but keep in mind the stories were told much more quickly in those days. Peter was introduced, bitten, made himself a costume, went to the wrestling thing, Uncle Ben was killed, Peter gets "revenge", Spidey hits the streets as Americas newest superhero ALL IN ONE ISSUE
Uncle Ben got killed in, like, issue six or seven of Ultimate Spidey. Time passes much more slowly in superhero comics these days. It's rare to find a single issue story arc anymore, where as in the Stan and Steve days single issue story arcs were the norm. In fact, there were often three or four stories in one issue! There weren't many cliffhangers. The "to be continued next issue" thing didn't really start showing up until later.
I really don't prefer one method or the other just as long as the story is given the proper time. If it takes one issue without being rushed: sweet. If it takes six without dragging: awesome.
But you're right. Ultimate Spidey works really well as a 15-year-old
From what I've seen, it's not that stories are slower – they're just more spread out. Most American comics I look at these days have an average of 3 or 4 panels a page, versus much more a few decades ago. If we counted the number of panels in a story arc, a much more accurate "unit" than pages or issue for comics, I don't think there would be that much difference.
I think I have to disagree with you on that one, but that's cool
Uncle Ben being introduced and killed off in the same issue (as opposed to Ultimate Uncle Ben lasting six or so issues) seems to point to a speedier pace no matter what the panel number.
Yeah, that's true. I think I actually prefer the first 6 issues of Ultimate Spider-man retelling that single issue of Amazing Fantasy. They both work just as well, but I suppose the realism in USM is really nice.
That's not to say single issues can't work well. I don't think we see enough of them nowadays! I like self-contained stories, sometimes they're more, I dunno, realistic feeling than the longer ones. Especially when they focus on something of a smaller scale than say, giant super-villain battles.
I'll start with a few I noted:
- The hero's identity must be secret, and identity breaches only happen rarely and pretty far down the storyline.
- The hero must have a superhero name and a real name
- There must be at least one personalized supervillain (as opposed to, say, forces of nature or random criminals) to oppose the hero
- The hero must have some kind of helper
- The hero must experience some kind of personal struggle ('tis the fad of the age)
etc...
As for me, I like that they are there, as something to refer to, and referring to them in my own story is what ties it to the genre, but I don't feel bound by them at all. I develop the story along its own inner logic for me that's much more important than fitting into a genre.
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