Ok, this has been troubling me for a while now. Looking through the ages, music has always gone through this cycle of bloating, and then being stripped back to a raw, straight to the point form. Be it Miles Davis deliberatly stripping back jazz to raw melody on Kind Of Blue, Elvis blowing everything away with his (reasonably) aggressive and noisy stance, The Sex Pistols blowing wanky prog by going raping old Chuck Berry tunes, or Nirvana sweeping away Hair Metal by mixing Sonic Youth with a decent melody ... I'm not too up on my classical, but I'm pretty sure the same could be said for Romantic/Baroque periods (please correct me if I'm wrong).
Ok, so it's been a while since a 3 CD concept album about the life and time of a mythical fairy from the 12th century has hit the billboard top 10, but surely there's a lot of dross about in Pop these days. Where do you reckon the next thing is going to come from to level the playing field?
Personally, I doubt it's going to come from the Rock camp. The usual style has been to pare things back and make it more aggressive. However, if Bloc Party and Modest Mouse can do this well for themselves, on a reasonably aggressive sound, then I can't really see things getting much heavier.
My money is on something big happening to Rap/Hip-Hop sometime soon, it's gotten fairly silly of late (Trapped In The Closet anyone?), with people being signed for a pretty face and a catchy song. I reckon there's going to be some major shift back to the old school beats and 4 elements side of things. The underground scene seems to be swelling recently, and has been pretty much ignored for the past 10 years or so, which is usually where these things start from. Thats where my money lies.
And no, this isn't a Rap/Prog/Hair Metal/Be-Bop is shit thread, it's a legitimate concept ... honest ...
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I think that a few more years of crap await us (that's my personal evaluation of Radio 1 fare) until the edgy and underground-ish become the norm. I mean we're already seeing the gradual turn, what with Radiohead playing Johnathan Ross, although I'm not sure whether that's a sign of pink pop-culture embracing the slightly more difficult or Radiohead becoming part of aforementioned pop-culture... Anyway, yes. I don't think there will be anything massive or explosive, as The Beatles or Led Zep were, for the reason that nowadays music is owned, governed and decided upon by execs. Or course, back then it was, too, but because download culture was still shrouded in the fog of time, they had to release what people wanted or it wouldn't sell. Nowadays, because anyone with a computer and an Internet connection has access to music and it's lost a lot of it's value, it's much easier to manipulate people into telling them what they like.
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Minimal House already stripped Electronic music of everything fun, and it fell flat on its face.
I predicted a rise of vocal divas backed by producers a few years back, and with the rise to popularity of artists like Fergie, Rihanna, and several others I may yet be proven right.
I think we're too cynical for that these days. As soon as something emerges as the next big thing, we knock it back down again a week later.
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i'm surprised madonna and bjork didn't start that trend already...then again the former seemed to buy into electrocla$h a while back and the latter is a bit odd for most people. i can see that happening, though.
i'd say anything big in hip hop will be a result of producers mixing in a wider range of electronic stuff. if you compare british hip hop and ragga stuff to what gets called rap over here it's just sad...they're mixing in dub, jungle and bhangra with two or three types of vocals on one track whereas most of the commercial stuff here sounds like it was made on a casio by a 17 year old with 5 cds in his collection. there is a lot of crap (lady sovereign and skepta aren't exactly the heir apparents to rza and rakim), but at least they're trying new shit.
as far as rock goes, it will always be constrained by the short attention span of radio and mtv, so i hardly think we'll see jesu or stars of the lid on the cover of rolling stone anytime soon. then again, hot topic and madison avenue took screamo/metalcore and made it seem commonplace, so who knows what they're capable of ruining.
things usually move in a 20 year cycle, so i guess we're due for whatever was big in 1988/9 in some pro-tools revised form. good call on the nirvana description, by the way...i'd add that they were at least as influenced by the pixies as well as sonic youth...mostly the loud/soft dynamic and the occasionally spazzy vocals with bizarre lyrics.
i'm gonna agree with =silentpair on this one. the soft/loud dynamic has gotten huge again with post-rock and mr.Gnome. the latter being a band i could see getting huge.
and the whole indie music being part awesome and part rehash of 60's music.
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Ok, so it's been a while since a 3 CD concept album about the life and time of a mythical fairy from the 12th century has hit the billboard top 10, but surely there's a lot of dross about in Pop these days. Where do you reckon the next thing is going to come from to level the playing field?
Personally, I doubt it's going to come from the Rock camp. The usual style has been to pare things back and make it more aggressive. However, if Bloc Party and Modest Mouse can do this well for themselves, on a reasonably aggressive sound, then I can't really see things getting much heavier.
My money is on something big happening to Rap/Hip-Hop sometime soon, it's gotten fairly silly of late (Trapped In The Closet anyone?), with people being signed for a pretty face and a catchy song. I reckon there's going to be some major shift back to the old school beats and 4 elements side of things. The underground scene seems to be swelling recently, and has been pretty much ignored for the past 10 years or so, which is usually where these things start from. Thats where my money lies.
And no, this isn't a Rap/Prog/Hair Metal/Be-Bop is shit thread, it's a legitimate concept ... honest ...
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"Loops are good to dance to " - Richard D. James