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DERREN BROWN APOCALYPSE - immoral?

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albatrash Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2012
Derren basically gets a guy to think the world is ending and that his FAMILY MIGHT BE DEAD. This just to get him off the sofa?

This is sick.
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Akiratang Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Lol, i watched it but im not sure if its 100% real cause the guy could have easily got a weapon and tried to hurt one of the infected.
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LilianSK Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Ammergerd, I didn't know a new series of him were out! Thank you! I'm off to watch it!
- news comes to norway so much slower :(
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3wyl Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, it was a bit more than getting him off the sofa.

Not to mention he did sign up for it, sort of.
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albatrash Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012
"Most importantly for me, as well as Steven, the changes have to be profound and self-perpetuating. The challenge is to set up new thought patterns that won’t just grind to a halt after the initial adrenaline of being involved in a TV show has worn off.
I have maintained a relationship with Steven and continue to ensure that the work was all worth it. "

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3wyl Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
So...?
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albatrash Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012
>>Well, it was a bit more than getting him off the sofa.

It won't even work. Derren has 'dinners' with the guy. Guaranteed to keep the suggestions going that he is motivated. Using ANCHORING techniques. A year on(after Derren has found another idiot) he'll be back as he was, full up on his own bogies. probably with light PTSD.

the mass of suggestion used to MAKE this man ACT cured...Derren's career etc. How DARE he not go along with it.
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3wyl Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
How do you know it won't work? You're not the guy who went through it all. You're just jumping to conclusions there.

And if he goes back to how he was, then how is this immoral? It'd be as if nothing had happened.
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albatrash Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012
THE IMMORAL PART IS HIM MAKING HIM THINK HIS FAMILY MIGHT BE DEAD.

If you'd read it all...

For an EXPERIENCE to change us it must HIT US HARD. Brown says he'll suffer no NEGATIVE effects because all that was cushioned. But he needs to be NEGATIVELY affected to be changed. It's the fear of losing his family that forces the change.

It's basically like when you nearly get run over you feel elated to be alive. It's TEMPORARY. and Brown ADMITS that his dinners with Stephen are about CONTINUING the process, which means augmenting the Anchoring that is keeping Stephen happy. Those dinners will end.

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>>I have maintained a relationship with Steven and continue to ensure that the work was all worth it.
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3wyl Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
So...?
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albatrash Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012
He signed up to become scared that his family were dead or had become infected zombies? No.
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3wyl Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Have you studied psychology at all?

There are different ways to get the consent of a person. At the end of the day, the guy consented, albeit in a roundabout way.

He was fully debriefed at the end, there was a team of psychologists and other people on standby should he have suffered, and more in between. If things were that terrible, they would have stopped it.

Perhaps he needed that push to be scared for his family so that he could actually appreciate them, rather than being the slob he was, taking his family for granted.
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albatrash Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012
>>albeit in a roundabout way.

Need I even tackle the rest of your response? It doesn't matter about consent. This is an average guy out of his depths manipulated by a clever money maker. If he told Stephen to be happy, he'd be happy. If he told him NOT TO SHOW THE SIGNS OF PSYCHOLOGICAL TRAUMA he wouldn't...until the suggestion wore off.

Need a push? So if you need some drive I should ring you up and pretend your family died?

Your sense of morality is woeful.
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3wyl Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
It's interesting how you seem to know this guy so well as to assume he is 'out of his depths'. Not to mention you seem to forget all of his faults and flaws beforehand.

But there is no point in arguing with you, so I bid you good day. :)
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DamonWakes Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2012  Student Writer
I was thinking about that myself.

I did notice that they found the guy through an audition for a fake TV show. It seems possible that to get around the moral/legal issues, they got him to sign something at the audition that said "If I am accepted, I give permission for you to do the following things..." If he was under the impression that he was auditioning for some other Derren Brown stunt, it seems quite likely that he actually gave his consent for that sort of thing (even if he didn't know it would be a zombie apocalypse specifically).

In summary: yeah, it was pretty mean. However, it also seems reasonable to assume that the guy had said it was okay beforehand. I'm just glad he didn't take a chainsaw to any "zombies." ;-)
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albatrash Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012
He signed a form saying "I'm ok with you making me think my family might be dead?"
No. The forms are general. Did he know what Brown was capable of? he's never done anything this bad before. So no.
There's no argument. He's immoral. Gotta go.
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DamonWakes Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Student Writer
If there's no argument then why are you posting this in the forum? :p

These things are supposed to encourage discussion. If I'd known you just wanted to rant then I wouldn't have bothered replying.
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albatrash Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012
is everyone here lazy? read the entire thread. I make many points that you can debunk if possible. I notice VERY CLEARLY that you didn't.

HAHAHA.
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DamonWakes Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Student Writer
Reading the entire thread, I see that you make multiple poorly articulated replies to the same comment, generally peppered with words all in caps.

Again, you said "There's no argument. He's immoral. Gotta go." Since it's clear nothing will make you shift your position on the subject, I'm not sure why you think I'd want to sink time into a response.
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albatrash Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012
you aren't even saying anything...say something. debunk me. STILL WAITING.

>> I'm not sure why you think I'd want to sink time into a response.

YOU ARE RESPONDING. That's why we are talking. WOW! cognitive dissonance.
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