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Feel a bit odd on the new Gen Pokemon?

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Hazmatfox Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
For what I saw on Gen-6, X and Y, I was a bit appalled on the new starters. Not the main water, or the grass, but the fire. The fire starter has me baffled as to why Pokemon, decided to go with a fox. Granted, that foxes are cute as a button, but don't we have enough foxes in pokemon. Especially after we have Vulpix, and Ninetails, no real need for another fire fox.

Now this isn't real hate towards this new pokemon, despite saying appalled, it's a cute critter and curious to see what it turns out to look. (I swear if its Fire/Fighting...do nothing, just play the game thoroughly and import my Typhlosion.) But at times, I feel the series has gone on too long, the once beloved series needs to end, before all respect goes out the window. Now I am not opposed to newer ideas, something similar, or maybe branching out further with the older the pokemon, put more depth into actually learning the pokemon. That is all I got. What's your thoughts?

Please note, this isn't a hate speech to that fox...whatever it is called. Just a curious snooper to see who else has to say on the issue. Be it agreeing or disagreeing.
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Dragoney Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I like Fennekin but for some reason it doesn't LOOK like a starter. I guess I can't judge because I didn't make Pokemon, but you know. It's still a very cute design though.
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KooboriSapphire Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Student General Artist
Like someone stated, Fennekin is not the same fox species as Vulpix & Ninetales; Nintales & Vulpix are Kitsune foxes, & Fennekin is as it's name states, a fennec fox (like most of Eeevee's evolutions).

I was disappointed with these starters, mainly because the fire & grass ones did not stick to the general starter rules (grass ones being reptilians, & Fire ones being based on animals from the Chinese calender). Gen 5 had some sick-ass starers, but this one, of all, I only like Fennekin, because it's design is pretty cool. Froakie is the only one that did stick to it's starter rule (being both aquatic & terrestrial), & it might be pretty cool. But Chespin, no, just no. I've seen plenty of people use a mammal as a grass starter for the fakemon, & pretty much none of them work too well (save for =lydario's grass starter). I would be surprised if Chespin could turn out as badass as Serperior.

As far as the Franchise goes, I don't mind it; I'm glad it went over 2 generations, because unlike what most ignorant fucktards around here think, if Pokemon stopped at gen 2, it would easily have died out, fast. At a certain point, I was actually beginning to give less of a shit about Pokemon & forgetting about it. It wasn't until gen 3 that re-awoke that love I had for Pokemon & the older ones. Gen 3 revived the franchise. But if anything, I just hope this gen makes a lot of the ideas that SHOULD have been made. I mean, Gen 5 did that by a long shot (a sarcophagus, a pure flying type, snake starter, archeopteryx, tons of ghost types); but gen 6 could hopefully have more of what they were really missing: a peacock, platypus, more cephalapods (Octillery sucks), mermaids, dolphin, Jack-o-lanterns, voodoo dolls, ghost ships, & even some more exotic insects!

Anyways, Nintendo plans to finally end the Pokemon generations with this one as far as I'm concerned. I'm actually just wondering what Pokemon #666 will be haha.
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sweeney-todd-warrior Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I know what you mean. I just want to see the rest of the gen Pokemon to make my final opinion lol
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starpancake Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I like some of the new pokemon but some I don't. I like munna and lilipup ( well its evolved for more ) but i do miss the old pokemon . :( the fact that they just started fresh like nothing happened diasapoints me. I grew up watching pokemon advanced, advanced battle, and I recall watching some season 2 when I was little. I think the new poekmon is alright but its not like the good old stuff.
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sweeney-todd-warrior Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeahh, I kinda know what you mean. I dunno, the Pokemon designs just seem different to me. Aside from the obvious reasons lol. Like I dunno. Some of the new Pokemon are really clever, and the others...were they even trying?
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KooboriSapphire Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Student General Artist
I've been a huge character designer for years, studied Pokemon & their designing, as well as digging deeper into the concepts of them, so I would see why people would complain, but only to a handful of them. I mean, i hear so many people complain over something clever as a chandelier (a homage to haunted artifacts, & how ghostly entities adore messing with chandeliers) but I don't hear anyone complain to something like Mr. Mime (it's just a human with no nose). You can argue that same thing about Jynx, but at least she's called the "Human-shape Pokemon" for a reason.
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sweeney-todd-warrior Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh god, I hate Mr Mime and Jynx so much. And I really don't have a problem with Chandelure :P
It's more like I guess I'm stuck on the kind of designs like Magikarp and stuff. ^^ And I don't look as far into design concepts like you do so I don't notice as much. What other ones are there? :D
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KooboriSapphire Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Student General Artist
I'd say those two are one of the very few Pokemon out there that deserves an evolution (especially Jynx, since I actually like her). Well Magikarp's main problem is how much of a troll it is in the games & how useless it could be if it didn't evolve.

What do you mean by that?
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sweeney-todd-warrior Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Likee what other clever designs are there?
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KooboriSapphire Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Student General Artist
Well, there's Whimsicott, based on Elves & Brazilian prankster critters. Sigilyph, based on ancient artifacts. Cofagrigus, based on Mummy tombs & the curse of the mummy (idea that should have been long ago). Gothitelle being a fortune teller, & Reuniclus based on a water bear. Elgyem & it's evo being based on alien greys. Stunfisk, despite being a terrible Pokemon, is based on a flounder (another design they surprisingly didn't do earlier). Hydreigon, being based on the mythological hydra. Drifblim being a ghostly blimp. Lopunny being a bipedal rabbit & playboy bunny. Mismagius being a banshee. Luvdisc, while it's design may be simple, it's actually based on a discus fish as well as a kissing gourami for it's kissing habit. Claydol being based on ancient figures. Gardevoir being a guardian angel & ballroom dancer. Delcatty, despite it's poor stats & awful movepool, is a prim cat with a poodle haircut.
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starpancake Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
yeahi felt that way too. But they are taking suggestions from the younger audiences and using them so that's probably why. I like chespin but that frog.....eh :/ and its not like I'll be playing it anyway since its for the 3ds and I got the ds lite.
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sweeney-todd-warrior Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
mmph, probably. Which sucks, because I want the Pokemon to look TOTALLY badass, though the legendaries aren't bad. And that's true. I'll probably get a 3DS if I end up liking the rest of the Pokemon.
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starpancake Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
well let's hope it turns out okay then. Ever noticed how ashes eye color has changed from each season? They were black at the start
now they're brown.
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sweeney-todd-warrior Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Ugh yesss. He needs to age already, and we need a new protagonist!
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starpancake Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
yeah! Like he could ya know get married and have his kid lead and ash could pop in every once in awhile. He could finally marry misty. He started looking like he was aging in diamond but that soon changed.
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starpancake Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
also the legendarys don't look that cool anymore. But I may like them....idk
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KaraNari Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't care as long as I can customize my character! =D
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Rhapsonny Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Student General Artist
Am I the only one who took forever to work out what Chespin is supposed to be?
I will get it anyway though.(if they take out sturdy)
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stressedplz Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013
Is there anyone on the gaming forum who isn't a autistic 12 year old?
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Hazmatfox Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Nope, you're the only sane person on the internet with an intellectual thought process, and that your opinion is the only one that matters. All of us are too busy putting in what we think, and go about our days holding our dicks and watching a shit ton of anime. You're the only person here who matters. Add Sarcasm...with love :D
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stressedplz Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013
Stop bullying me!
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Synthetic--Ecstasy Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm hoping the game has some cool Pokemon to make up for the starters. :I
I kinda like Froakie but it kinda reminds me of Palpitoad or whatever its called...
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NOKAPIplz Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2013
I bet number 666 Pokemon would be something angelic, because Nintendo likes to troll people.
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Kimihro Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Chespin is the fuckin' BEST, MAYNE!!!!

I really hope they add no more than like 30 more to the 'Dex. I've stopped counting too long ago.
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nuclearaccoon Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2013
There's really no reason to have just one species of animal as a pokemon, but I disagree that it's the same as the Vulpix line at all. Ninetales is based on a kitsune, whereas Fennekin is base on a fennec fox which is more or less what Flareon is. I'm really hoping Fennekin's evolutions won't be pure fire for this reason.
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Innocentfate Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
:dmaphyr: :bulletpink: everyyybody just LOVES Fennekin xD
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magnifulouschicken Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Flareon too, kinda. But I don't think it's too repetitive, as long as the final form isn't Fire/ Fighting. SO SICK OF FIRE/ FIGHTING TYPES. XD

Honestly, I haven't liked the starters much since Gen 3, but I've enjoyed the games regardless. I think the main thing that irks me is the whole "team" dynamic. It's getting tired and old; collecting 8 badges is fine, but always having to fight the opposing team gets a little annoying.
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RoguishBard Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I'm thinking Fennekin will turn out to be pure Fire, or a dual-type of Fire/Psychic or Fire/Ghost.

What I'm REALLY curious about is the other Pokemon that are bound to be in the game. From Black/White to Black2/White2 must've been enough time to invent a whole slew of new Pokemon designs that I'm curious about. (If there aren't any I'll be disappointed, but not so disappointed that I won't catch Yveltal or Xenereas ;D )

I'll need more information before I can finalize any thoughts about it. The 3D aspect has been a long time coming, yes, but if there's a slew of Stunfisk-looking Pokemon out there, it'll be all for naught.

I wonder what Froakie's third evo will be like. It kinda looks like it's got facial hair with that foam...

O_O Frog Sage Pokemon?!
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ex-cirkuu Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2013
I don't mind that much on repetition. Heck, there's a lot of that if you know where to look. The early bird Pokemon, the early bug Pokemon, Feebas and Magikarp, the Pikachu clones...

And yeah, the fox is a Fire-type, but that's kinda a drop in the pond compared to everything else the fandom will complain about later on. I just hope it doesn't fight like a Ninetales.
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Lopunnyfan1995 Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2013
I have a reliable informant that says there are 13 planed gens of pokemon, and this is supposed to be the last gen with ash
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kmwright Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013
I like these starters better than the 4th and 5th Gen ones. If I end up getting X or Y, I'm choosing Froakie. I like reptiles and amphibians the most, and I thought the white puffs were a nice touch.
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AvisCelox Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
As unoriginal as the fire starter is I think it's better looking than the other two.

I should make a whole fox-based Pokemon team.
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XoPachi Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013
Everyone hates every new Pokemon gen every time because none of the new Pokemon are the original 150. I can't take these topics seriously. Same drill every game. I think that's why Nintendo started making exceedingly stupid ones like the ice cream cone and garbage bag. Just to troll the ones that get it in a bunch at the thought of new Pokemon. I'd believe that. lol
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Hazmatfox Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Well I did state that this isn't hate for the new Gen, just one of them feelings that something has gone on too long. Like a guilty pleasure that one person might have when they go to see Saw in theaters. It's going to be about the same thing no doubt, but we go because we are curious, see it out to the end.

So yeah, I do agree with you on the whole joke thing, the designers doing this to get a few laughs with the really odd pokemon. No hate on you, or anything of that nature, just more added input on the subject.
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XoPachi Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013
I meant the topic in general from the Internet to my school and around the world.

If it sounded like I was referring to you, that wasn't how I meant it.
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IMDSound Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I agree that the starters aren't that original, but I don't mind so much since there's 500 or 600 other Pokemon to choose from. I have to disagree about the series going on too long though. I grew up in Japan and just recently moved and the popularity of Pokemon hasn't died at all over there. But that's a country that currently has an Anime as one of the top grossing movies for the past few months (Evangelion) so I guess Pokemon is still considered a jewel for all ages as well. I feel like Pokemon or Nintendo in general has the general "childish" feel over here in the US so it's not as popular anymore. But anyway, yeah the fire fox is okay looking but not that original. The water starter is atrocious. I'm a big pokemon fan and I do want the new gen so I guess I'll go with Chespin, the grass starter. He's okay.
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TrueSoprano Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm actually really excited. I like the designs of all the Pokemon so far, and I literally can't decide who I'm gonna start with. (I wanna see the final forms and stats first)
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MasterImpsy Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I don't really mind them using repeated animals, as long as they are making new changes and taking new concepts with them.

I also don't believe Pokemon is a wore out franchise. They keep adding new features and mechanics to each new generation. I don't see how people think they are just doing the same thing over and over again.
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stoneman123 Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That was my impression as well. We have had a fire-fox since Gen I, and a perfectly serviceable water-frog in Gen V (in addition to the Lotad and Pollywag lines in III and I). I fear that Game Freak is hesitant to try new concepts, lest they "kill the golden goose," so to speak. Oh well. Despite any re-hashed concepts, I'm sure we'll see an abundance of new ground, particularly in the unusual naming scheme of the games and the ostensibly European inspired setting. After all, there's no chance I'm going to miss out on them.
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priteeboy Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Eh, with so many now there's bound to be some repeated concepts. People focus on animal-like Pokemon while neglecting the same situation in plant-like Pokemon too. There's always one with a big flower on its head and/or a Hawaiian-esque grass skirt or something like that. In real life there are several variations of animal categories anyway, there's more than one species of frog, one species of fox, one species of flower etc. Probably not worth getting worked up over - otherwise if they avoided repeating animals you would have ones by now that were based of fricki'n chairs or parking cones or something :lol: (actually I can imagine the cone would look very cool, I patent that concept :evileye:)
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KooboriSapphire Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Student General Artist
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priteeboy Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Damn, it's been done :doh: Though not quite as I would have imagined it :XD:
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KooboriSapphire Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Student General Artist
Lol what would you have done it like?
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priteeboy Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well like I said earlier, I imagined something more like a hermit crab perhaps (though perhaps mechanical or robotic-looking) only the shell would be the parking cone :D I have fuzzy visions of the fully-evolved form, but the junior form would be very cute looking, like with its eyes just peeking out from underneath an oversized cone =p
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KooboriSapphire Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Student General Artist
A Hermit crab? Hmm...you might have something going there, though it'd be more awkward.
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PitLuver-47 Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013
Nope, there were repetitions of the electric rodents beside pikachu(parischu, emolga, plusle and minum(kinda)). I don't mind the repetition in the species and types fusion. :shrug:
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wwwjam Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Vulpix and Ninetails are based on more common foxes. Fennekin is based on the fennec, or a type of desert foxes. They're actually quite different. Those giant ears being one of the key distinctive features ([link]).

There are several frog pokemon. Countless birds. Quite a few cats. Lots of dogs. One might argue there are a few porcupines even. Can there just not be a few foxes? I'm aware that it being a fire type fox is the main complaint, but it's inevitably going to be dual-type so what's the big deal? Furthermore, what does it really matter? The designs between Fennekin and Vulpix (and ninetails) are not even vaguely similar, so it seems the only beef lies in them both being foxes, and both being fire. Why is this a problem?

It's like being angry over each generic bird in each generation being normal/flying, and all of them being, gasp, birds. There's no rhyme or reason to the complaint.

And what about Froakie, the new water type in X and Y? It's a frog, and it's water. So is the Poliwrath family (or Politoed if you want to whine about Poliwhirl/wrath not looking like frogs). If you're only comparing because it's a frog, then Croagunk and Toxicroak are also around to fill in that gap. What of past generation starters? In Diamond and Pearl the fire starter, Chimchar was a fire monkey- oh hey, in Black and White you get Semisear family. Or the Darmanitan family, they're monkeys, and they're fire too. They may not be fire/fighting like Chimchar evolves into, but then I go back to the point that Fennekin will inevitably dual-type, so what is the problem?

I don't even really care about pokemon anymore these days- I had my fill after Diamond and Pearl (though I did go on a nostalgia trip with Soul Silver)- but I really don't see the problem with Fennekin.

I have no comment on the rest of your post, as I have no real opinion on the matter.
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