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January 14, 2013
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Pokemon Black and White-Racist?

:iconwheeljackson:
WheelJackson Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013   General Artist
[link] <Lenora, one of the only black characters in the games looks like your stereotypical mammy character.

[link] <Ghetis is LITERALLY half black and half white.

[link] <This is Lilligant, a Pokemon exclusive to the White versions, and it looks like a Southern Belle. Cottonee (a cotton based Pokemon) is exclusive to the Black versions.

Is Pokemon Black and White racist, or are these just coincidences?
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:icondxd:
dxd Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Closed at request of OP.
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:iconrainbowkitty777:
rainbowkitty777 Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Only if you make a crapload of assumptions.
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:iconmonkeydanceguy:
MonkeydanceGuy Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I sincerely hope you're trolling, otherwise you could easily be the most overly-sensitive person ever to grace the internet. I'd just like to point out that since you made all these "connections" and posted them here, you've unwittingly made yourself the most racist thing ever. Congrats.
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:iconcodepurpleyedrawings:
CodePurpleyedrawings Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Pokemon is not at all racist, and while the Japanese can be really really racist, this is not one of those times.
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:iconmonkeydanceguy:
MonkeydanceGuy Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
"while the Japanese can be really really racist"
Really? Really guy? Did you just post that on a forum talking about racism?
I guess that's indirectly referring to some ethnicities who are never ever racist or prejudiced, perhaps that other one who are constantly racist and have a language built on racial slur?
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:iconcodepurpleyedrawings:
CodePurpleyedrawings Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
No. Anybody can be racist. I get the first half of your reply. It was a poor choice of words.
Have you ever seen Japanese textbooks for learning english?

I'm not going to pretend that the Japanese are never, ever discriminated against if that's what you are suggesting, and like I said, anybody and everybody's racist. Asia has remaining ethnocentrism from their isolation centuries before, it's a bit more accepted, and not all japanese are racist. I'm not talking about japanese ethnically. I'm talking about Japanese culture.
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:iconmonkeydanceguy:
MonkeydanceGuy Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'd offer you a shovel, but you seem to be digging that hole jolly well on your own.
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:iconhanimetion:
Hanimetion Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
*facepalm* how can you be that ignorant?

Pokemon Black and White are named as such because of the concept of yin and yang, aka Black and White morality, which has nothing to do with race.
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:iconnokapiplz:
NOKAPIplz Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013
It's racist if you take it out of context.
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:iconelirox904:
EliroX904 Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Oh puh-lease, this is about as racist as when my boss insisted on my African-American co-worker working on Black Friday.
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:iconferricplushy:
FerricPlushy Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Considering it's a japanese game it can't be racist
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:iconshadowyeclipse:
ShadowyEclipse Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
The Japanese are actually, very, very racist.
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:iconinnocentfate:
Innocentfate Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
:damphyr: :bulletpink: Ohhh man.

It's just a color >______________________> You guys making it racists n all that LOL
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:iconwatchherfly:
WatchHerFly Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013
You're taking it way too seriously, bro.
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:iconbi0terr0r:
BI0TERR0R Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I love when stupid people look way too deep into things to try and seem like they're deep and intelligent. Good show.
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:iconswxrdz:
SwxrdZ Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
I can see where you are coming from, but I think this is an outrageous allegation
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:iconjay-hyena:
Jay-Hyena Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Um.

No.

That is all.
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:iconthebrightbeast:
TheBrightBeast Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
It's not done with discriminatory intent, so no, it's not racist.
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:iconaviscelox:
AvisCelox Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
How much time did you spend looking for these random facts to throw together?
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:iconwheeljackson:
WheelJackson Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013   General Artist
It didn't take long. Somebody on TV Tropes said it first, so I brought it here to discuss.
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:iconaviscelox:
AvisCelox Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Personally I feel it is a coincidence.
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:iconeldingagunman:
EldingaGunman Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013
Well if you really want to look at the nooks and crannies, then Cottonee is a reference to the cotton farms where black people used to work, Machamp is a degrading reference to big-lipped black boxers, mr. Mime is an offense to French people, Xatu to the natives of South America, Emboar to wrestling and all that is samurai, Gothitelle to the entire male part of the emo subculture, and don't even get started on Jynx, Leavanny or ConFAGrigus.

Come on. The Unova region is supposedly based on the states, so of course they had to star including black people. They even have the eifel tower in the next gens video, so just wait and see how much they're gonna mess up the ethical diversity of Europe...
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xxEvilBlondiexx Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Japan doesn't have a lot of black people, so I doubt that they would really think of "black" and "white" first as skin colors, so "which pokemon is in black" and "which pokemon is in white" are likely just a coincidence. :shrug:
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:iconxopachi:
XoPachi Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013
...Pokemon is not racist.

Stop trying to attach a highly negative stigma to a game that's doing nothing wrong. They get that from politicians, feminists, and religious zealots enough. It gets hella old.
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:iconfirefoxgirl:
FireFoxgirl Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
Hey now what's your problem with feminists?
Besides maybe they weren't intentionally trying to make it racist but that doesn't mean that something isn't racist.
The point I'm trying to make, basically, is one can be racist without trying to be racist.
And no I'm not saying this because I have anything against Pokemon, I love the game and, maybe from their point of view, they didn't know they were using American stereotypes that are consider offensive in America or maybe they didn't realize they were stereotypes at all.
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:iconxopachi:
XoPachi Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
I have no problem with feminists (why was that the only of three groups you addressed?). I only have an issue with the religious zealots for obvious reasons. It just so happens that these three groups are the main ones who bitch, moan, and cry because they overthink video games.
Critiquing negatively and/or disliking is ok, but when you (not YOU, these groups with a bigger voice) say games are destroying the fabric of culture, any culture be it religion, gender, or youth, you're a fucking jackass. Branding the ones who enjoy them negatively which they often do, ESPECIALLY feminists, also denounces any credibility you have as a functioning multicelluar organism.

When it comes to vidya games, all three of these groups know less than dick about fuck all. MY point to you was that adding fuel to their fire doesn't help and it's stupid to try and further stigmatize, which whether you enjoy Pokemanz or not, is exactly what you are doing. Don't take me harshly or personally, but that's the way I and many others see it.
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:iconmrgamezone:
MrGameZone Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Student General Artist
:facepalm: You are overthinking it, fool.
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:iconfirefoxgirl:
FireFoxgirl Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
What are you from Gaia Online? Are you one of the many asshole spammers who gets other people banned while you get to browse the chat rooms and harass people with out consequence? You know I'm getting real sick of you damn internet trolls! You all think you're so cool cause ya waste ur time harassing others just to get a rise out of them like some sick fool and think ur cool about it! Ur not cool, ok? Ur just a big loser who needs to banned from the internet all together! Go get a real life you sick fuck and leave my friend alone and I hope you feel really good about urself and the crappy existence that you live you stupid troll whore! GO KILL URSELF!
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:iconmrgamezone:
MrGameZone Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Student General Artist
Wow. You are very immature. What are you, 13 or something?

I NEVER go on Gaia Online. In fact, I barely go on ANY "online game" because they are trollhives.

I never go on the dA chat, because I want to keep my sanity, with all of the ridiculous RPs, trolls, etc.

I'm getting sick of them too.

Same here.

I would NEVER troll. If I were to ever troll, it would be a hacker doing so.

Uh-huh, ban the people that are miserable and can't find a different way to make themselves feel un-miserable. Got it.

Well, SORRY, but you don't have to be like this! If you keep on acting like this, people will start thinking that YOU are the troll.

Meh, I'll save that for the apocalypse.

Thanks for showing how mature you are!

Oh, and, by the way, those other "rants" you posted to the other users are simply hilarious. It really shows you are a noble person, worthy of becoming an internet knight.

NOT EVERYONE HAS TO AGREE WITH YOU AND YOUR FRIEND. Sorry, but, we all have our different opinions. Your friend here was asking for our opinions. You don't have to CRITICIZE our opinions.

Good day, madam.
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:iconfirefoxgirl:
FireFoxgirl Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013
Look I'm sorry about what I typed to you. I was being a complete dick and I was under stress but that is no excuse for the stupid things I said and hell none of them are true and I'm a dick
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:iconmangareader345:
mangareader345 Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013
Uh, dude, I hate to say it but I think you're overthinking this just a little too much. I don't see how these two games are racist, but I do have this to say: there's bound to be some sterotypes in their games but I'm sure that's just something that Nintendo didn't think was too much of a big deal.
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:iconwheeljackson:
WheelJackson Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013   General Artist
Ah, good point.
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:iconscorpafied:
scorpafied Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013
all i can say to this ahhhhh hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

your over thinking things way to much. this game is directed at children. if they were trying to be racist parents and people who played the game would of picked up on it ages ago. so here is a tip either grow up or stop looking to cause trouble.

dont mean to be so in your face but it clearly needs to be said.
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:icon0rg:
0rg Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013
Fuck off.
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:iconfirefoxgirl:
FireFoxgirl Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
There chew on that you fuckin prick!
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:iconfirefoxgirl:
FireFoxgirl Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
Hey Org you fuckin' cunt! I read what you said to my friend and how dare you talk down to him and give him shit. You should act your age you god damn fuckin' bitch! I really hate trolls like you! I bet you whore yourself to all kinds of nasty ass men just to support your crack addiction, you fuckin' loser cunt!
You're lucky that I don't know where you fucking live because I'd roll up on your fucking house and fucking bash your skull in with a baseball bat, then I'd rip out your colon through ass and shove it down your throat and make you choke on it! Then I'd pee on corpse and set it on fire! Because I'm a fuckin' demon and I'll drag you straight to hell where you belong! And I'll do it in front of your mamma, your dad, your kids, or anyone because I don't give a fuck, mother fucker!
I hate you! I hate all trolls and spammers like you and I wanna see you suffer! And I hope you get aids, cancer and leprosy and I hope you get raped by a bunch of dirty ass gang members who get you pregnant with retarded, down syndrome baby!
You suck! You're a horrible fuckin' filthy person! You have no life and no family and no friends because your an ugly horrible fuckin' ass-wipe! You probably watch porno on YouTube and masturbate to it, sticking your fuckin' tooth brush up your cunt like a dildo because no one loves you nor is any drunken asshole desperate enough to drop a log in your fuckin' nasty toilet! You should kill yourself by slashing your wrists or letting your ass get eaten by a pack of rabid wolves, because you're a fat piece of shit, your pussy smells, you're ugly, you have no soul and you're just a stupid, god damn, should-have-been-an-abortion, lazy ass, bastard child, cock-sucking, bitch ass, retarded ass, stupid fuckin' whore cunt!
And don't you ever fuck with my friend TransformerRobot again or I'll make your life such a living hell that you'll wish you were dead! You hear me you fuckin' whore?!!! You trolls will not conqour the internet! GO FUCK YOURSELF!
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:icon0rg:
0rg Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
This is the funniest thing I have EVER read. Thank you!
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:iconfirefoxgirl:
FireFoxgirl Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013
No I was being a dick. I'm sorry for shouting such horrible things to you and everyone here. That wasn't cool at all.
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:icon0rg:
0rg Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013
it's totally fine, I got a kick out of it
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:iconbenjamin-biddix:
Benjamin-Biddix Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
After two common words too....easy bait much?
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:iconpiratesadventure:
PiratesAdventure Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
...aaaaaaand I just realized FireFoxTwat blew up over that single comment. Talking about thinskinned. :noes:
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:iconpiratesadventure:
PiratesAdventure Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
I NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON HERE! I WANT TO GET A FIREFOXTWAT RAGEMESSAGE AS WELL! :saddummy:
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:iconxopachi:
XoPachi Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013
Blunt, but approved.
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:icondj0hybrid:
DJ0Hybrid Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Took this thread long enough.

Lenora is an archeoligist and this is hammered in more than her sprite in fact. (Something else that is funny is that she is also one of the few characters across mediums of entertainment that is in a interracial marriage.)

Ghetsis has a denied link. So I'm assuming you are talking about his design, which actually makes sense given the context of the games themselves (because one design is only in Black and White while the other is only in Black and White 2.)

As for Liligant and Cottonee, this looks more like a coincidence considering that the game itself is designed by Japanese people who don't really live with these kinds of sterotypes (actually, you can say that for everything on this list.)
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:iconwheeljackson:
WheelJackson Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013   General Artist
It's just that the implications seemed quite disturbing at first.
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:iconpiratesadventure:
PiratesAdventure Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
Eh, the Japanese are very ignorant in regards of racial issues extending beyond their border. Now, if there were other Asians in there with blatant stereotypes, then yeah, it is likely racism (considering that the Japanese seem to feel superior to other Asian countries). As for the portrayal of black people? You should keep in mind that they don't see black people that often and when they do, they are likely to go all "OMAIGAWD, WHAT IS THAT?!"; for them, black people are just another kind of foreigner (albeit a foreigner that stands out). They simply don't realize just how (over-)sensitive racial issues are in the West. Just look at RE5.
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:iconmyname1z4xs:
myname1z4xs Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
zebra is a racist specie
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:iconjade-abarai-kat:
Jade-Abarai-Kat Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
you are really over exaggerating
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:iconpaellamagi:
paellamagi Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
They weren't made in America, so they do make stereotypes based on culture. Japanese developers possibly do not understand the intricacies of race relations in America - after all, Japan is mostly ethnically homogenous (barring the Ainu, who have an incredibly tiny population).  I'm not saying it's right, but what pops into your head when you think about certain ethnic groups? Eg. Mexicans, French, Australians, native Americans? Stereotyping is incredibly common, and I don't think it necessarily equals racism.
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:iconabstract-mindser:
Abstract-Mindser Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013
Oh, hello. Make sure you wave to Cultural Differences to me while you're in the clouds.
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