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What happened to New Game Plus?

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PsyPeng Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012
Why did the classic New Game Plus disappear? You know, the one where you restart the story without losing any of the extras you worked hard to achieve, such as your character level, weapons, currency, etc? The only games I remember it being active in are Chrono Trigger for SNES, Dead Rising 2, and Metal Gear Solid 4. Both of them let you restart from scratch without losing the rewards of your hard work and/or patience.

For games with heavy story, this was excellent - you could enjoy the entire thing again, without having to grind, or again spend days being stuck at that one boss because you're severely underleveled. You could have the same experience without the grind, or without the parts you did not enjoy.

With most games, the options for replay are anything but satisfying. They'll pull you into a higher difficulty you didn't want, make you go through the grind again, and/or completely drop anything you may have collected in the first playthrough.

What inspired this complaint? Final Fantasy XIII. Great characters, story, and cinematics... Gameplay... kind of stops being fun after the first few hours. Also, just now, Borderlands 2 - since it won't let me start the story again without also creating a new character. I'm also being annoyed by Arkham City, which not only locks you into a higher difficulty, but also lets you play a maximum of two times. Want to go again? Your only option is to delete your savegame and start from 0 all over again.

Am I the only one who is kind of bothered by this?
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superpika237 Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
I heard Xenoblade has some nifty New Game+, but I haven't gotten to it because the game is so loooong
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TheRedSnifit Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2012
Which games are you talking about? I can't think of many modern games that don't let you use NG+
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hydris Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012
Why did the classic New Game Plus disappear?

But it didn't.
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PsyPeng Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2012
I exhaggerated a bit. :)
Seems to pop up significantly less often then it used to, though.

But I do admit I haven't played a lot of older games - maybe I was just lucky that the ones I played all had it where it was needed. :lol:
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ParadigmFallen Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Professional Artist
Mass Effect

Batman: Arkham City's New Game Plus is rather realistic considering that otherwise the game is cake walk with everything at your disposal. There's a reason Asylum didn't include it at all.

Dead Space 1-2

Syndicate (Co-op portion)

FEAR 3

Borderlands (you load the character and it gives you an option of what playthrough you want)

Dragon's Dogma

Dark Souls

Flight (Kongregate)


Lots of games use it, and admittedly more should, but some don't or limit it for a reason.
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PsyPeng Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2012
Yeah, and it's great when a game does it.
It's just that - some games desperately need it, and don't have it. Even though getting a New Game Plus working is a cakewalk compared to ten seconds of cutscene or action sequence...
In some games it could actually a bad thing - such as Beyond Good and Evil, where every collectible was relevant to the story, and the whole fun of photographing was getting them all in the first place. :)
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ParadigmFallen Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2012  Professional Artist
The only game I can think of that would seriously benefit from New Game Plus is Deus Ex: Human Revolution. And you actually can do that on PC, you just need to use the debug console patch for Burger Menu, then you could give yourself all your former abilities/weapons/items. And you could start from any point.

I don't see how cutscenes/action sequences even apply to this. The simple matter is that some games would just become broken. Red Faction Armageddon isn't even a challenge the first time through, and it almost becomes a chore of spamming abilities once you got New Game Plus and start unlocking cheats (as you'll unlock nearly every upgrade on your first playthrough).
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Blasian89 Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Deus Ex Human Revolution SO BADLY NEEDED this...ugh so disappointed.
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HappyDuckCreator Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't really like playing a game after the credits unless there's new missions to do. :shrug: New Game + to me is like rewatching the same movie immediately after the credits.
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0rg Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012
both of the games I last played (dragon's dogma and dark souls) have ng+ mode, but only dark souls executes it well
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MarvelousChester Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012
Dark Souls: You unlocked...NORMAL MODE!(but we arn't going to tell you we just made enemies more powerful)
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FIRSTxAIDxKIT Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Professional Interface Designer
Of course New Game Plus forces you into a higher difficulty, especially in games like Arkham City and Borderlands 2 where you start the ng+ with all of your weapons, levels, abilities, etc. It's to provide you with a challenge. :pat:
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PsyPeng Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2012
Yes, but what if you don't want that challenge? Like if you barely survived the first round and you're not up for the punishment anymore, or you just want to breeze through parts of the game to get to your favorite parts? :)
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FIRSTxAIDxKIT Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2012  Professional Interface Designer
Then start a new file. :roll:
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PsyPeng Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012
What's the point of even having NG+ if you're going to restart everything, anyway? :)
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FIRSTxAIDxKIT Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Professional Interface Designer
Well, let me put it this way. Most people like a challenge at the end of a game that they just spent ours on collecting all these abilities and weapons, instead of being able to "skip to their favorite scene in the story" (and if that's so important, youtube). I don't think it's fair for the people that want a challenge to have be succumbed to, ONCE AGAIN, dumbed down content, when the people that don't like challenges can just start a new game on the easiest difficulty and fly through it if they are so inclined. :shrug:
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Cenaris Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
The Batman games have used it recently. Borderlands uses it as far as I've read.
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PsyPeng Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012
More or less. Both have something in spirit, but it's limited.
Arkham City will only let you do New Game Plus once, and forces you into the highest possible difficulty.
Borderlands 2 I haven't finished yet - but as far as I've read, it also forces you into a higher difficulty.

So it qualifies as New Game Plus, but it's not up to the standards of older NG+ modes. :)
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Cenaris Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Arkham City will only let you do New Game Plus once, and forces you into the highest possible difficulty.</>
I don't remember it being that way (with difficulty)
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hoggys2much Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012
I have Bayonetta, Resident Evil 5 and Ninety-Nine Nights 2 with New Game+.

In Bayonetta and Resident Evil 5 you can unlock the good stuff on easy mode and then play on the harder modes once you have them.
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PsyPeng Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012
What's the advantages of NG+ of those games, other than keeping your guns / abilities? I haven't played them.
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DJ0Hybrid Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
The way you described it actually ruins a game for me.

Anyways, The World Ends With You has an unstated New Game+ where you can play any part of the game with everything you have, then hitting a New Game has every pin you collected.

Dragon's Dogma has New Game+ as you described as well as using stuff from your previous save. Unlike TWEWY, you can completely start the game from level 1.
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PsyPeng Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012
That's an interesting statement. What about it do you not like? :)
Something to do with making the next playthrough too easy?
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DJ0Hybrid Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
When I start over in a game, I want to face all of the challenges with as much difficulty as before. To me, it is okay to have an optional New Game+, so long as I'm free to start fresh.
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PsyPeng Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012
Do you normally play on the highest difficulty? If not, you could increase it for the next one, so it balances out.
But yeah, I see what you mean. Some games... most games become more fun on harder, more challenging modes. :)
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DJ0Hybrid Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I usually leave the difficulty alone. But then if I wanted it higher, it is rather cheap (to me at least) to have powerful weapons and stats the second time through.
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RoguishBard Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Yeah, Okami took advantage of that in a very nice manner. Endless New Game+. You could essentially go through it again and again until you naturally maxed out with only plotline-essential abilities and weapons removed when you restarted. I suppose it works for some games and not others.
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PsyPeng Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012
Some games moreso than others. I just fine it disappointing that games that would greatly benefit from it, such as FF XIII - where the grind is the least enjoyable part of the game - do not include it.
Games in general seem to be designed for single playthroughs more and more, with the extras only thrown in for 'hardcore fans', rather than just for people who enjoyed the game enough to give it a second go.
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