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Halo 4, who thinks the Librarian sort of ruined John 117?

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DraconicParagon Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Now hear me out, this doesn't mean I don't like Halo anymore, I was just a little disappointed when John meets the Librarian in the campaign and in the cut scene she explains his ability to succeed as some magic thing he has received in his genetics or something. I didn't like that plot explanation because it felt like they were turning John from Batman type into Superman.

Why do they always have to do that?

Oh, the Force is for EVERYONE, it is all around us, if you train hard enough and hone your skills you can master the Force and you can be an EXCELLENT JEDI! BUUUUUUT NOOOOOOOO, look at Anakin, he has a ton of midiclorins in his blood, so he will automatically be an awesome jedi.

John doesn't have to be a "culmination of thousands of years of evolution" or whatever it was the librarian said he was, why can't John just be awesome because he tries hard?

He was trained and taught the tactics of UNSC military via the Spartan program, and was augmented with the best Humans could do, but it is INDEED because he tries his BEST that he succeeds at what he does. He does it to protect humanity, and he does it because he loves Cortana. I was just disappointed that they explained all that effort away with "he is able to do it because of special thing X"

just throwing my thinking out there...
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Bullet-Magnet Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
It wasn't John specifically, it was that someone like John would emerge. The alterations she made are in everyone, though they show themselves in different ways (if at all) and often need to be turned on. Such as the memories of pre-devolution humans from the war that were put into humanity by the Librarian, so that personalities from that time can be awakened and recovered.
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DraconicParagon Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah, I guess, but, I dunno, it was the same way with squibs in Harry Potter. I just think, J.K. Rowling, you bothered to make an awesome universe with magic and whatnot, and then you create a rule where a few just simply cannot use magic, no matter how hard they try? That's sucky if you ask me. I wouldn't want to be a squib in the Harry Potter world. I dunno.
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Bullet-Magnet Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
Makes sense for there to be magical disabilities.
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DraconicParagon Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
true, but even those with disabilities can succeed in our world, Bethany Hamilton anyone? just off the top of my head, there are many stories about those with disabilities who succeed at amazing things, that one guy who can play the guitar with his feet cause he has no arms... dunno, just thinking aloud.
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Bullet-Magnet Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
Sure. But another theme of the Harry Potter books is a really fucked up political system that rewards privilege based on genealogy.
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DraconicParagon Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Isn't that the bad guys system? ...
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Bullet-Magnet Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
It's also the system (outside of Hogwarts) that existed before Voldemort's defeat. The system that let known Death Eaters reach the highest echelons of society, that Let Lucius Malfoy keep the Minister for Magic at his beck and call.
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DraconicParagon Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
True, true.
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Kimihro Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
It's just as easy to ignore it. :I
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DraconicParagon Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yay to ignoring it! :D
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NoodleboxTV Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist Filmographer
I think what ruined the game the most is that there was no flood. How come the flood wasn't fitted in the story at ALL?! Surely didact and flood had to clash at some point in the past and libriarian/oracle did 'nothing' to mention the further history about flood.
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DraconicParagon Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Maybe they just wanted to focus on the new enemy and are saving the Flood for the next game?
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Bullet-Magnet Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
The Flood were defeated. The Gravemind was killed, humanity now knows what it is dealing with and is decommissioning any Flood storage facilities they encounter. The bigger problem is likely to be the ones who sent the Flood.

The war with the Flood does come up if you find the terminals. they unlock stories that can be viewed on Waypoint, which generally go over the revelations in the Reclaimer books. The Forerunners went to war with humanity and the San'Shyuum due to their attacks and aggressive expansion, and it turned out they were running from the flood and sterilising worlds that had just been infested or were in the path of the plague. The Forerunners didn't learn this until the Didact had beaten the humans, however, and the humans never shared the solution to to the flood that they had discovered, forcing the Forerunners to build the Array (and the Didact to use the Composer).
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TheCobaltOcean Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
What I think everyone forgets is the flood came from outside the galaxy. The forerunners only did an internal cleansing with the Halo arrays, not an external one.
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Bullet-Magnet Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
I don't know that it genuinely did come from outside the galaxy, though even if that is the case it is possible that it was sent out and then came back in again.

One thing I am sure about is that it is a weapon of the Precursors.
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TheCobaltOcean Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
First, I'll say weapon of the Precursors? The Flood ARE the Precursors. Anything created by Precursors were created in such a way they would be impregnable against all forms of damage and be everlasting i.e. The Forerunners and Covenant calling them 'The Eternal ones' etc. Well, they were impregnable until a certain Forerunner used the early Halo rings to decimate Precursor structures.

While the Forerunners had the domain for all their intellectual and Historical needs, the Precursors may well have had a similar thing going, but what they wanted was a sure fire survival method, where all precursors could know all they had to know and never die. Precursors physically were not invincible, and they can be killed as demonstrated in one of the Halo books.

The Flood all share a single conscious, moulded and mashed together in harmony with a hunger for more biomass and knowledge. The Gravemind saying 'Child of my enemy, why have you come?' was a reference to the Flood fighting the ancient Humans, and 'I shall know all which I possess' comes from the Precursor want for knowledge. They did own everything after all before they were kicked off their throne, the last physical Precursor being sealed away by both Humans and San Shyuum.

It is entirely possible therefore, that the flood will return and the chief will take up a role similar to that of the Didact's, and secure the Mantle for Humanity against the flood.
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Bullet-Magnet Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
I don't know that that's true. In fact, I'm pretty sure it isn't. The Captive may have incorporated Precursors into its mas. When it claimed to be a Precursor it was probably lying. Or it may be a Precursor that was treated (or treated itself with) the same powder the humans found and used on the pheru that introduced the flood infection to the galaxy, and in doing so gained control over the true Flood forms.

Whatever it's connection to the Precursors, I don't think we can trust its word.
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TheCobaltOcean Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
The captive itself was a physical form of the Precursor. Onyx like polished eyes along a large head, 4 arms crossed upon it's chest and an abdomen like that seen on a spider. Doesn't sound like any Gravemind or Proto Gravemind that we've seen in game or described. Also, in answer to the Didact's question it said 'I am the Last Precursor, and our answer is at hand' - i.e. Their spread of the Flood 'infection'.

When the Precursor sits there beneath Time locks and other defences in it's prison while the Flood wipes out the Humans and San Shyuum, it would have little reason to lie to the Didact.

Call all this conjecture, but thinking about it, this does seem logical. No?
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Bullet-Magnet Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012
There is actually a Gravemind stage above Giant Fly Trap. I assumed that was it.
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gvcspecks Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
i am sure they will make a return, just not yet.
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ParadigmFallen Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Professional Artist
I agree with this sentiment, but the Librarian (I've gotten a chance to watch the cutscenes) didn't bug me that much.
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WhiskyOmega Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Professional General Artist
Hey there!

Yeah, I have to admit that that kind of irked me when the Librarian did that to John as well.
I mean, it's not good enough he's scientifically augmented to be better then the average soldier to begin with and that the average person has absolutely no chance against him as he was already, but now thanx to her 'evolutionary acceleration' he's some kind of all-mighty, super-evolved human??
How's the player supposed to relate to that?!

I mean, regardless still, it's not like we couldn't see this coming either.
The whole reason John and a few of the other Spartan II's survived the enhancements without any negative effects was because their DNA was 'perfect', as Halsey called it, and contained a gene the others didn't have.
This gene is the same one the Librarian refers to when telling John she'd hidden away 'seeds' in the human gene that would eventually lead to a race of super-advanced Humans. So, already, John was one of them all along; she just gave that special gene a little nudge to move him further along the evolutionary trail so that he could stand a chance against the Didact.

The interesting part, though, is that even despite all of his augmentations and evolution, he's still grasping at straws to be a person because he was never brought up to be a regular Human like you or I. Like when Cortana dies; he doesn't know how to handle that because he's never been allowed to explore his emotions, because as a Spartan he was trained to restrain it all.
So, all in all, despite all of his special gene, augmentations and abilities, fundamentally he's less of a person then the rest of us and struggles with that (as we see in Halo 4).

It's actually really interesting and I'm interested to see where the story goes next...although I've the sneaking suspicion they're killing him off at the end and I don't want to see that. :cry:
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DraconicParagon Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Wow, that was brilliant! Thanks for posting. I feel enlightened! And I had forgotten about Halsey's explanation of how he and the others survived the augmentation process. Still dissapointed John isn't as cool as he is just because he tries hard and motivates himself, etc. it has to be because he was one of the chosen ones. I always hated when they did that in stories. Like, if I were a part of that universe and I wasn't one of the "chosen" ones with the special X, or magic Y, then I would feel kinda secluded from the awesomeness. Like in Harry Potter, the Squibs. I think it is unfair that they will NEVER ever be able to use magic. Like, J.K. Rolwing, why did you build such an amazing universe, and then put a rule like that into it. If I was a squib in that world, I would be so pissed!
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WhiskyOmega Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Professional General Artist
Well, I guess what we have to keep remembering that, while the Halo universe is roughly based on our real universe, it isn’t real and that the creators at Bungie and 343 Industries can make up whatever they darn-well please to suit their story.
So if they wanna make a few people capable of having `perfect` DNA while the rest of Humanity has regular òl imperfect DNA, they can.

Still, another thing we can’t forget is that the Didact and Librarian both make comments that Humanity very well has the capacity to evolve as a whole to be greater then the Forerunners and that John and the other’s are just ahead of their time. So, really, if Humanity’s allowed to continue evolving they’ll eventually be just like John eventually.
If the Didact has his way, however, Humanity won’t exist long enough to reach its full potential and that’s why the Librarian helped John so that he could stop him and give Humanity the chance to evolve into the advanced race they once were.

So, in reality, in the Halo universe every-day people will eventually become as advanced and evolved as John, he`s just ahead of his time.
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DraconicParagon Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yay! We regular ole humans have a shot at awesomeness!
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WhiskyOmega Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Professional General Artist
lol
Yeah, guess so. :)
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HappyDuckCreator Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
People actually give two fucks about Halo's plot now? :unimpressed:
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DraconicParagon Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Of course people do. Have you not read any of the books written about the series? The story is what got me hooked to the games in the first place.
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HappyDuckCreator Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Why would I read a book based on a game?
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DraconicParagon Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Because it adds to the universe, for fun, because reading is enjoyable, any other number of reasons.
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Kimihro Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I dunno. They're pretty good.
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Vicsor-S3 Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Some are pretty decent :shrug:

Not Metal Gear Solid though.
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