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Can't the "unknown" artists get a chance?

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~Defekte-Traume Jun 20, 2005
Myself, and many other people, are tired of seeing the same artists in the DTF and DD. (For people that don't know acronyms, that's Daily Top Favorites and Daily Deviations.)

I think there should be a limit as to how many times a person can be "featured" and in the "top favorites."
I mean, maybe a limit of 3 times a week....or even a month. (I'm not saying that's the number it has to be, it's just a suggestion that can be thought about. If you would want to go for something higher or lower, feel free to.)
There are so many awesome artists on DA that haven't gotten the recognition they deserve, even ones that have been here for years.

I understand that the DTF works totally different than the DD, but if there aren't already "established" artists hogging the spotlight in the DTF, then maybe other ones will get their share. Like maybe someone that happens to get 10-22 favorites after the system resets itself...instead of being pushed off the front page by a popular artist, they'll stay there (hopefully) and get more recognition.
After all, most of the people that make it to the DTF are only there because they have thousands of people watching them that favorite each and every picture they submit....which really isn't fair to the other artists trying to get their "big break."

And isn't the DD suppose to be for featuring basically "up and coming" artists? If so, then why are there always the same people there? What's the point in giving an already well known artist more attention?

Is there some way to set up the site to recognize people that have already reached their limit? I've never suggested a picture to the DD before, so I don't know exactly how it works, but is there some way the system could be set up to let the person suggesting the picture know that the artist has reached their limit?

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~Peachfuzz Nov 19, 2006
Another good thing that might help with the DTF situation, a previous suggestion of mine, would be to give artists the option to avoid being listed in the popular section or on the front page. This may seem like a strange suggestion, but really, popular people have no say in whether or not they hog up the front page or popular sections. If we gave them a check-box or something in their settings menu to block their work from those areas, I bet quite a few popular people would use it. Some might be nice enough to want to give other artists a chance, and some might not want every little thing they submit to get all the positive (Or negative) attention that popular things do. That'll save them from having to use scraps or "comments disabled" to avoid the heat of being on the front page.

And a few unpopular people would like that, too. Personally, I fear to ever suddenly appear on the front page or in the popular section. They eat cartooney anthro artists like me alive!

Back to your own suggestions, I'm not sure about a weekly limit on DTF appearances. Truly, it wouldn't be "Daily Top Favourites" if the real daily top favourites were blocked. That's why I prefer a by-choice option, even though it wouldn't completely fix the problem.

Maybe a parallel popularity system would be good to promote artists other than the same massively-popular onens over and over. That is, maybe another "popular" page listing artists who, rather than having the most popularity of the whole site, merely happened to gain an amount of attention higher than their usual. A "DTF" system based not on overall popularity but instead on relative popularity. Might be useful.

I agree with you on DD selections, though. It is discouraging to see artists re-appearing there, over and over, when those spaces (And attention) could have gone to more neglected artists. I wish they would bring back the DD tab in people's galleries. That's what I used to see if people had been featured before or not. (I'll feel really dumb if it's still there somewhere since V5 came along and I'm just missing it!)

Well, there's my two cents. Neary a novel's worth of it. Sorry for the blather!
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~blazingrunaway Nov 17, 2006  Student General Artist
You're absolutely right! It's always the same artists that get featured, it's so unoriginal (no offense). ._.;; Especially fan art. D;
I mean, there are better artists that need the support more than them.

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~EdgeOfDarkness Nov 16, 2006
its a tricky one, i admire you for putting this thread up and trying to change things even if some people do take what you say the wrong way (i have that same problem) theres no way im gonna read this whole thread, been trying to but it just goes on and on, theres definatly gd points on both sides though. i do agree that it would be nice to see unknown artists getting more DDs although i spose if they did and get really popular would everyone then get sick of them? ...anyway i dont think putting a limit on favs or DDs is really fair and also it would be a bit sad if you couldnt get another DD if you already had one becuase its almost saying that they cant improve anymore or inspire us with something different that deserves a DD obviously though there are other (cant think of the right word) rewards to get out of improving your own art ...(i dunno if any of that made any sense)

i dunno maybe there should be a different feature on the front page especially for art that has been overlooked, although that may be blurring into the DD. or perhaps a member of staff that choices unknown work as a category... i dunno

also i wanted to say that the staff here probably work very hard and its difficult to please everyone. but if you wanted do something to try and make unknown work more known (i dunno what lol) im interested in helping :)
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~EdgeOfDarkness Nov 16, 2006
just wanted to say i got to the end! lol and then realised this was an old post but i think it is still a bit of an issue
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`Halcyon83 Nov 15, 2006
good forum post which is meant to make us all think, but i don't agree.
those DD's really feature all kinds of artists and all kinds of art, not only the top notch of DA. i mean, even i got a DD once myself, and i don't consider myself as a big artist. the same thing happened with some of my fellow fractalists ('cause that's the kind of "art" we create).
but i see your point. there's loads of artists on DA that keep creating wonderful art day by day, week by week, month by month and even year by year without getting recongnised. and it's frustrating, i admit.
maybe there should be some other way to feature unknown artists (but good in their field). i also think there's to much DD's each day, which takes away from the quality. too often i see pieces featured that are really shallow and empty. a restriction of 3 DD's per day (just a suggestion) wouldn't hurt in my opinion. and along with the DD features DA should launch an UA (unrated artist) feature...
just some suggestions of course, think about it :).

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!cs-chan Nov 15, 2006
What I think you're forgetting is that "people" put the artwork on the front page, not the artist. It can't be helped.
Saying that there should be a limit on how much a person can fav is like saying there should be a limit on how much art you can put into your own gallery to prevent you from becoming more popular.

Do you not see how ridiculous that sounds?!:O_o:
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Mood: Love ~Defekte-Traume Nov 16, 2006
This thing is over a year old. How deep did you have to dig to find it? I'm sure some things have changed since I posted this. (Maybe just the DD section) *shrugs*
I just re-read my post, since I totally forgot about it due to it being so old, and noticed that I made it obvious I knew how the DTF worked. Now don't misread that as me saying I never knew how it worked or that I surprised myself right now that I even knew at the time I made the thread.

After all, most of the people that make it to the DTF are only there because they have thousands of people watching them that favorite each and every picture they submit....

Those were my exact words. Who's forgetting what now? I think before accusing someone of not acknowledging how something works you should read very carefully what they wrote.
Also, I wasn't saying that people can't favorite the artwork they like or every piece their favorite artist submits, I was simply saying that there should be a limit as to how many times the same person can actually be in the DTF within a certain time frame. Sure, they can still get notified when they get all those million favorites, but why should it allow them to be in the DTF with each and every piece they submit? Afterall, most of those people are favoriting the work just because. (This only applies to the people that favorite every piece of the same artist) So all the sheep like the same grass. Maybe there's some on the other side of the fence waiting to be noticed but won't because no one will set a limit for the already popular batch.

Anyway, congrats on stirring up dust on something that's been dead for over a year. :clap:

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`electricjonny Nov 15, 2006  Hobbyist Photographer
:whisper:Do you know you posted in a thread that's over a year old?
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!cs-chan Nov 15, 2006
blah, focused on the topic and nothing more :giggle:
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`electricjonny Nov 15, 2006  Hobbyist Photographer
I also noticed you posted in one from 2003 :lol:

Think of the old forums as just something to read through. Posting in them can make things confusing ;)
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