Proving submission times impartially

~A--Anthony Nov 13, 2012

I'd like to suggest a method for proving submission times impartially. Apparently different people can see different times for submission dates, and a fellow deivant told me that might be because of different time zone settings, something to do with metadata? Therefore I have been unable to prove that I submitted my picture before a contest deadline because the moderator will not believe me (he sees November 6th, whereas below "Details" in "Submitted" it shows me November 5th). He will not believe me, because there is no way I can completely prove that I submitted it on the 5th. I have sent him a screenshot, but he has offered to send me a screenshot showing it shows him November 6th. Therefore, especially in light of contest deadlines, I am proposing the institution of an impartial method to prove (as related to a single specific time zone) what the submission time of a picture is so that there cannot be a problem like this again.

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`nokari Nov 13, 2012 Professional Interface Designer

Times are indeed based on each person's individual time zone, which they set in their personal settings. That's why the times are relative and not identical. When a person sets a contest like this, you need to go by their time zone, not your own (unless you're in the same time zone). And it's the responsibility of the contest host to announce what time zone the deadline is going by, but if not, then it's your responsibility to ask. So unfortunately, you were actually past the deadline.

~A--Anthony Nov 13, 2012

No, I was not, because the moderator claims he is using PST, when he is in fact not, because I am on EST, so that means the times I am viewing should in fact be 3 hours later than the ones he is viewing, not his times later than mine. Therefore, if my submission time is listed as 8:30 PM EST on November 5th (which it is), for the moderator, he should see 5:30 PM PST on November 5th, not a time dated November 6th. Therefore, I need an impartial way to show that my time settings are correct and my picture was in fact submitted on time.

`nokari Nov 13, 2012 Professional Interface Designer

You don't need a new thing to figure this out. You just ask himwhat his clock says right now and tell him to check his settings to see if it matches. If his settings are wrong, then he'll probably change his mind. But if he won't listen then you're shit out of luck. You can't help it if he won't be convinced by facts.

~A--Anthony Nov 13, 2012

P.S. here's the link to the page in question, if you want to check it out, let me know what it shows for you: [link]

`nokari Nov 13, 2012 Professional Interface Designer

Shows November 5 to me and I'm in PST.

~A--Anthony Nov 13, 2012

Thanks for confirming it for me

~A--Anthony Nov 13, 2012

Yeah, it's the latter. That's why I was hoping there was a way to prove it beyond a doubt without depending on him to check his settings...I would think there would be something embedded in the page, maybe in the code (sorry, not that computer savvy)? I mean, there are within individual digital photos, right (GPS data, camera info, and so forth)? So wouldn't there be for webpages?

`nokari Nov 13, 2012 Professional Interface Designer

Metadata wouldn't show the time you submitted to dA, it would just show the time you took the photo and last modified it. When you took the photo doesn't help since that doesn't mean you submitted it immediately after taking the photo, and the last time you modified it before uploading could have been only seconds before uploading, which the other person has already deemed past the deadline.
If the other guy's personal time zone setting is wrong, then the only way to prove you're right is to get him to fix that by selecting the correct time zone.

~A--Anthony Nov 13, 2012

Thanks for explaining that, I really wasn't sure of the details since I'm not as up on computers as I should be. I'm still trying to convince him to check his settings, hopefully he'll come around. Apparently (I didn't think to check this now, but when the prior commenter mentioned country, a lightbulb went off) the moderator has the UK listed as their country on DA, and if that's true, perhaps his time zone is set to GMT, which would explain why he keeps seeing November 6th, which is a problem since the contest is supposed to be in PST.

`nokari Nov 13, 2012 Professional Interface Designer

That's pretty much what I figured too. Try getting some other people in the contest who are from the west coast to confirm the date of your submission to him.

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