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~LadyVe Aug 19, 2008, 11:05:46 AM
Now, several of my deviations recently got removed for 'art theft'. Of course that didn't make me a happy camper.

But it's not as much the deleting as the procedure that causes frustration: the user simply gets a notification that their work was reported as 'art theft' and therefore removed.

Personally, I don't appreciate it if people rummage through my stuff and simply delete it without informing me before they do so. I heard from several other people they found it angering as well. I therefore think the procedure needs to change.

For example, wouldn't it be better if you'd first get a 'warning notification' with the reasons why your work was reported as art theft? Then, there should be a time-limit of, for example 48 hours, in which the Deviant user can either come with prove that he has permission of the original owner or delete the deviation himself. If neither of these have happened after the limit has ended, the moderators are allowed to remove the artwork.

I'd really like the thoughts of other users on this site on the policy. The opinions of the moderators are also very welcome!

I'm willing to delete my 'violating' deviations in order to stay a user with a good record on this site. But I would like people not to just go ahead with the things I put on.

Looking forward to reactions,

Ve

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"Some writers see their characters as their children. Others see them as tools. A few see them as actors, collaborating with the author. Those are people who are too impatient to read themselves..like me."
-My shameful method of writing stories.

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`Tyrin-Claw Aug 19, 2008, 11:19:35 AM
If your work is deleted, you can contest it with the Help Desk, and if you prove that you're in the right then the work can be restored as if it was never deleted (which the note you received told you already). A time-delay system would simply be redundant.

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Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils.
-- Louis Hector Berlioz :wheat:
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~zie-chan Aug 19, 2008, 11:26:53 AM
I had 40 deviations reported and claimed that I "didn't have permission" to post them.

I did, and there were comments on the pictures from the model, which obviously meant she didn't care.

I had 7 days to fight my case.

I sent in 5 tickets in that time frame.

One was answered, I responded, never heard from them again.

All of the deviations, including four or five which DID NOT INCLUDE THE MODEL AT ALL AND INCLUDED A SELF PORTRAIT, A PORTRAIT OF MY BABY COUSIN, AND A FEW STREET PHOTOS, were all deleted, and my tickets have still been unanswered, despite the help desk's promise of answering within 48 to 72 hours.

I agree with you though. They've been fucking around and taking WEEKS to do ANYTHING and quite frankly they need to get off their asses and do something, and if there's a bug preventing them from answering anything quickly, which I highly doubt, then they need to tell us.

dA is going to shit and they need to do something. They've been allowing pornography and 3D kiddie porn, which is just sick.

woo, rant.

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`nokari Aug 19, 2008, 11:39:40 AM
I can understand your frustration, but the idea is to catch things immediately to prevent any further proliferation/comments/faves of stolen work. Hence the need to delete them immediately. I could see your idea maybe working if they gave like a 24hr notice before removal to contest it, but it would still need to be removed from the public eye, considering people could still fave it and screenshot it and continue the proliferation of the stolen work (if it's been stolen). They would have to do a whole lot of coding to make certain things "privatized", so to speak, so they would still remain on the servers should you provide proof that you didn't steal. I don't know how hard that might be for them to do, or even if it's possible with dA's unique style of coding.

I do have to agree with people that say dA has been very lax and ignoring some people's submitted tickets regarding disputes of stolen art. Some cases are dealt with quickly and efficiently depending on who's reviewing the case, but most of the time cases are put on the back burner for a while or completely ignored. That's not very good customer service on their part. Hiring new staff or at least allocating certain staff members to more time reviewing these cases is something that should be done soon.

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TO HELL WITH PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDURE. WE'VE GOT TO WRANGLE UP SOME CATTLES!
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~LadyVe Aug 19, 2008, 11:43:19 AM
I think your idea of hiding disputed art from the public eye and a 24-hour-limit would be a great idea!

Because I do understand what DeviantArt wants to achieve, but a lot of people aren't very receiptive of the proceduire the way it is. So it needs to be discussed.

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"Some writers see their characters as their children. Others see them as tools. A few see them as actors, collaborating with the author. Those are people who are too impatient to read themselves..like me."
-My shameful method of writing stories.
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`Tyrin-Claw Aug 19, 2008, 11:47:54 AM
Well, they actually probably wouldn't need to do a lot of extra coding to accomplish that, since the storage system already exists. They could just adapt that to such a purpose, in a way that the artist couldn't modify.

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Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils.
-- Louis Hector Berlioz :wheat:
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~RargouTia Aug 19, 2008, 11:50:08 AM
i had nothing related to this whole "art theft" deal, but i was just surprised! i never thought that DA's moderator will act this way. after all, DA is a pretty know site, if we, deviants, complain about many things, but what guests and visitors would say and think about Deviant Art ?

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`nokari Aug 19, 2008, 11:54:08 AM
I was just thinking they could probably arbitrarily put the deviation in question into that person's storage after I wrote that.

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TO HELL WITH PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDURE. WE'VE GOT TO WRANGLE UP SOME CATTLES!
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`nokari Aug 19, 2008, 11:55:36 AM
They have a good system as is, though there's certainly a little more that could be done to make it more efficient. The main concern I've always had is their lack of explanations for things. I'd love to have an FAQ I could link people to that would explain why they delete things immediately.

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TO HELL WITH PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDURE. WE'VE GOT TO WRANGLE UP SOME CATTLES!
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~LadyVe Aug 19, 2008, 11:58:23 AM
I agree on that. Because this is basically the only thing I'm having problems with on this site.

Like I said, I'm perfectly willing to delete disputed material myself if I'm explained why it's violation: I just don't like people deleting my works and only telling me about it afterwards. :)

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"Some writers see their characters as their children. Others see them as tools. A few see them as actors, collaborating with the author. Those are people who are too impatient to read themselves..like me."
-My shameful method of writing stories.
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