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Fursonas?

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ContntlBreakfst Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Student General Artist
Can someone explain furies/fursonas/anthros to me?

I have passed up a lot of potentially great commission opportunities because I won't draw fursona's or anthro's; I absolutely refuse. Most of the reason that I won't draw them is because they gross me out to ridiculous levels, and I think that at least some of my unease in them is from false or unfounded information about them, and if anyone knows a lot about these things I would appreciate if they would shed some light on it for me.

For example, at Anime Conventions I've seen quite a few fursuits with special flaps in places that are definitely not for the sole purpose of going to the bathroom... My friend told me that fursona's had something to do with a sexual identity? I also have the sad misfortune of having seen some of this activity right in the middle of the hotels.

I just really don't understand this stuff and I wish I did, because I feel like I'm being very prejudice against a lot of people by refusing to consider doing any of that style of art; if anyone could help clear this up for me I would be very grateful.

I'm not sure if this is appropriate for general discussion boards, because I know there are a lot of very young people on this site, so if you have something to say that may be adult in nature, feel free to note me.

Thanks!
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FalseShepherd Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Up until reading some of the explanations for them, I was too quite weirded out by the thought. I still am to an extent. Especially toward the ones that would include anything sexual, I don't understand why someone would want to see something like that.

I see nothing wrong with a drawing of you, with animal-like qualities, or even you as the animal of choice with minimal of your own features. But, I find it highly creepy and weird to hear of people that want to see a picture of an animal or multiple doing sexual acts, whether or not they are an actual animal or one of these 'fursona' ones or even people dressing up as animals for sexual relations.

Though I don't think it's necessarily prejudice to refuse doing such art on any scale, as I don't for one second find it unreasonable to refuse to make any kind of art for anyone that you personally do not feel comfortable with, it's your prerogative.
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Bagam Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Even if it grossed me out, i wouldn't have passed commisions for drawing fursonas. Money is money.

As for what a fursona is, i think it's supposed to be a person's avatar just more furry and... Well, usually canine.
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dragriff Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013
Most of the thing people stated before me is just about what I was gonna say. But yeah, there are those occasional... I'm sorry, but "weirdos", who take it too far and it becomes their fetish or something.
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h-irsch Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I'm strange so my fursona turned out to be a kangaroo/saber cat hybrid.



Some furries, like myself, have multiple fursonas however. Myself being two genders, I have multiple fursonas representing each gender.
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ContntlBreakfst Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Student General Artist
I really like the hybrid idea. I've never seen that before.
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Kasamm Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
What? You refuse to draw fursona?

Fursona are you as a ' animal ' or one of your feeling as an ' animal '.

Personally, this is my fursona :



She is a mixed species, and I don't do porn or anything with her, furries are grossing me out.

So fursona means you as an animal.

Anthro, they generally means you as a ' half-beast / half=human ' kinda like werewolves.
Example :

Here's my anthro version :



And furries, well I never understood them x_x'
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TheForumcat Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
It's less like a sexual identity (as in homosexual/heterosexual) than it is like transgender, right?
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Kasamm Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well it's none actually o_o' It's just you as an animal or as a half-beast creature, I don't know for Furries ( porn etc. ) Tho...
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TheForumcat Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I was under the impression that it was an identity... as in, that's the creature the uhh, owner(?) actually is, while they're stuck in a human body.
or, in its most basic form, is it just like an avatar?
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Kasamm Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's like an avatar I guess xD I don't think I'm a dog or anything, nor do I think it's my real animal form or anything, I just like drawing animal xD
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TheForumcat Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Oh. Ok. Fair enough.

I guess I was lumping all people with fursonas into the Otherkin category...

Forgive me.
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Kasamm Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Aww it's okay :3
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ContntlBreakfst Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Student General Artist
May I ask what compelled you to make a fursona? And why you chose the animal that you did?
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Kasamm Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh cause my art is full of my emotion, and since I can't draw human in a way that I like them, I was like, why not a fursona since I'm good at animals :P

And I couldn't decide between a wolf, fox, caracal, lynx and dhole, so I just mixed them togueter. For the colors, I used my skin and hair color lol

:P
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CrazyLitlleMonster Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist
I've seen a lot of artworks of them,but I personally don't like them.
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Scyoni Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Anthros, I get. Look through the Disney catalogue and they're everywhere - it's a way of relating to an animal character by giving them humanoid anatomy. This was discussed in my character design class this week, in fact. :) A lot of anthropomorphic characters, at least in animation, are created because it's easier to gesture and pose a humanoid figure in a readable position for an animation frame than it is with a variety of animals.

Also, if you want an animal character to seem intelligent, and therefore be a 'person' in a given story, presenting them with humanoid posing makes them more identifiable to the viewer.
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ContntlBreakfst Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Student General Artist
I understand it completely in regards to animation and cartoons, although I was neer much of a fan of it.
It's on a personal basis that I was having difficulty understanding. Why people want to have themselves turned into animals, and specifically the canine variety.
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Scyoni Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I think the simplest answer is that people pick their favorite animal. Try to google studies on the subject, I'm willing to bet that feline and canine animals are in the top 10 favorite animals in the world. As for why you'd want to be an animal at all... It seems to me like a personal preference for an artistic persona?

A lot of people want to present themselves in a cool way and might choose their favorite animal either because they want to create a character of it that resembles their favorite animated cartoons, or one that they think looks cooler than they do in real life. Personally I draw my 'persona' as a skinny elf chick with purple hair - but I don't look that way and I've never gone and worn fake elf ears before. It's a drawing, and making a choice like that seems kind of insignificant as a life decision if you ask me.
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WatchHerFly Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013
Not all furries are into the creepy sexual stuff you hear about.
Of course some of them ARE, but don't think all of them are that creepy.
...Though either way fursuits are pretty creepy, yes.

I suppose you could put some restrictions on what you would be willing to do on an anthro commission if you wanted to. No sexual stuff and what not.
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This is one of those things where 95% of the time it's not a sex thing, and 5% of the time it is. Those aren't real statistics but you get the idea.

I mean... Bugs Bunny and Mickey Mouse are 'anthros'. Western cartooning was built around them.

If the picture the person is asking you to draw isn't sexualized, I personally don't understand refusing to draw it. You can probably also get an idea of how these people relate to their characters by a quick look at their gallery.
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ContntlBreakfst Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Student General Artist
I love your icon! It is mesmerizing.

I love anthropomorphic stuff; I think that I'm coming to realize that the main reason that I detest furries(of the canidae variety) is because, to me, it represents a blatant lack of imagination.

Of all of the hundreds of thousands of magnificent animals on this planet, EVERYONE seems to be one of three, which are all from the same genetic family. Why does EVERYONE want to be a dog or a wolf? Why don't I see any Birds of Paradise struttin' their stuff? I want to see a snailsona. lol

Maybe I feel like people who all pick the same animal haven't given enough thought to their fursonas? People who are trying to display their unique individuality by assigning themselves an animal all seem to be picking the same one; how does this make you individual? I find this ridiculously frustrating.

Am I being ridiculous? I feel like I am, but this is one of those things that just keeps me up at night.
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There ARE some non-standard anthros/fursonas out there, I also would imagine there are some dA groups dedicated to them. I've seen anthro sharks.
I drew one as a bit of a joke a while back that was a hermphroditic goat. But I didn't come up with that idea.
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ContntlBreakfst Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Student General Artist
Ha. Hermaphroditic goats. :) Goats are wonderful.
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I forgot I have a penguin one too XD everyone says the flippers freak them out. That's what makes it fun!
You should draw that snail.
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ContntlBreakfst Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Student General Artist
Hmm. Maybe I will. :)
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tuftedpuffin Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013
*points at icon* I am not a dog or wolf!!!
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ContntlBreakfst Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Student General Artist
I see that

...What, may I ask, are you? At first I thought it was a duck, then I noticed that it had ears...
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tuftedpuffin Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013
A tufted puffin -- those are her tufts.
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ContntlBreakfst Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Student General Artist
Ahh, okay; I see it now. I love puffins. :)
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StripedPower Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013   Digital Artist
Furries (at least me) don't choose their fursonas because of the "imagination" or the "uniqueness". It goes beyond than just a hobby. Furries choose the animals they relate the most to, because they feel a connection towards them, or because they really like them. Snails would only get chosen as a joke. :p
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ContntlBreakfst Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Student General Artist
I find it hard to believe that everyone relates the most to dogs. I actually do relate a lot to snails, so if I wanted to be a snail, I would get laughed at?

Or maybe all of the unique people just suffer as cats and dogs because those seems to be the most acceptable 'safe' animals?

Every different person I talk to about this has a slightly different idea about what fursonas mean. Such confusing stuff.
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StripedPower Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013   Digital Artist
I don't think they would laugh at you. You'd be seen as someone weird/special (in a good way) for choosing an uncommon animal.

They choose them because they're the most admired, and generally the most aesthetically pleasing and sexually appealing. And yes, many prefer to play it safe, so they go with some popular animal before finding their "true" animal self.

I'm not part of the fandom (although I'm a furry by "definition"), but it is said that there's no ultimate definition of what a furry is. As long as it involves an obvious interest on anthropomorphic non-human beings, everyone's free to make their own.
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ContntlBreakfst Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Student General Artist
Hmm. I get it a bit more. I'll need to poke around for a bit longer before I fully understand it, but thanks for the info. It helped a lot. :)
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StripedPower Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013   Digital Artist
No problem. :P
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DJ0Hybrid Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
A fursona is a furry avatar of an individual. They range from following actually characteristics of the animal (fur pattern, face shape, tail, etc.) to being mythological kind and even of different colors or hybrids.
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ContntlBreakfst Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Student General Artist
So...then are there rabbit fursona's? Because It seems the only ones I ever see are wolves, foxes, and domesticated dogs.

On that note...are there like, feathersonas? or spikysonas?
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DJ0Hybrid Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
There are rabbit fursonas, as well as horses, rats, owls, ravens, lizards, etc. etc. All of the canine and feline species just happen to be the most popoular (for various reasons.)

And, if I remember the wording correctly, there are scalies, but nothing for birds. Still, everything is blanketed under the term "fursona."
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Cup-of-Javo Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013
Bird fursonas are called "avians". :nod:
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ContntlBreakfst Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Student General Artist
So there ARE more. I was always confused about how people consider their fursona's the "animal version of their personality", but it seems to be strictly limited to members of the canidae family (+cats). I mean, of any animals, wolves/dogs/foxes seem to be the most absolutely boring, so I never understood why it seemed like EVERYONE thought that a dog/wolf/fox would be the perfect animal for them.

Is this just lack of imagination? Or is there some sort of clique thing where wolf furries refuse to associate with bunny furries so everyone is just a wolf so no one gets their feelings hurt.

This is how much I don't understand this. :(
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DJ0Hybrid Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
The usual reasoning is that most people lack a lot of creativity or else do feel a strong connection to said animal and not to others. So if I had to guess, it is two part lack of creativity (especially for wolves or foxes) and one part that most people grow up with a dog or a cat that they don't really connect with other animals. So seeing everyone running around as wolves, that is probably because they aren't creative. Seeing people run around as a German Shephard, they probably had one they loved as a kid or something.
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ContntlBreakfst Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Student General Artist
See, if I ran around dressed in a suit that looks like my dog, I would feel a bit like the guy from Silence of the Lambs... lol

But that does make sense.
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DJ0Hybrid Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I would feel completely out of place myself, but that's just me.
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DJ0Hybrid Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Should probably add that some are designed with sexual nature, while others could be cleaner than a naked Barbie doll.
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Folji Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's a subculture, that's just about all the magic to it, and it's got fuck-all to do with sexuality in itself. That's just an added thing on top, so to say.

This thread is going straight to shits. :bucktooth:
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ContntlBreakfst Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Student General Artist
Hmm. Is it really that simple? It always seemed like an odd cult to me, but that may be because the fur suits scare me.

I was slightly afraid of posting this in fear of the carnage to come, but my curiosity got the better of me, yet again. :/
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Folji Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Full-body fursuits are the weirdest part of it, but some like 'em for probably the same reason they think mascots are cool! But it really is that simple, yeah. It's a pocket culture built around a kind of a game of pretend, by parading as (or just associating with, both usually online) a humanized animal version of yourself or not so much yourself, in a way kind of similar to gothic and steampunk subcultures. They get an insane amount of outside flak, though, because most people who aren't properly acquainted with them tend to assume it's nothing but a really weird sexual fetish (which for some it might be, but for most it isn't). :lmao:
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ContntlBreakfst Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Student General Artist
Hmm. But why all the dogs?!? This confuses me the most. Out of all of the thousands of animals, why dogs(wolves/foxes/cats/samegeneticfamily)?
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Folji Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
They're just popular! Whenever someone tries to map the popular phenotypes it usually boils down to various members of the canine and feline families taking up nearly every spot in the top 10 list. :lol: It's probably because most tend to pick an animal they like, for which the family's pet dog or pet cat tends to come pretty high up on the list. And if the family pet is not the source, then it's most likely an extension of the whole "cat person/dog person" deal. There's tons of other things out there, but they're not even remotely as popular as the ones you just listed yourself.

I dabble a bit in the subculture myself, just for fun. Though usually only with people who I know are a part of it themselves, mainly because of the bad reputation it has one the outside. :paranoid:
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ContntlBreakfst Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Student General Artist
I kind of understand now, I mean, I have a lot of the facts...

But I still don't get it. I'm still hung up on the cats and dogs thing. At first I thought it was some sort of secret "only cats and dogs allowed" thing, but now I know that people are choosing cats and dogs of their own free will.

Is everyone really that mind numbingly dull? I feel like I'm being rude, if I am I apologize. I know a lot of people really really love cats (those people scare me. Cats hate me.) and a lot of people really love dogs. I love dogs, but is a dog an animal that represents who I am? No.

So I guess what I want to know now, is are the majority of people picking animals that represent them as individuals (which is what I believed to be the whole point of curries), or are they simply picking animals that they just happen to like?

If the latter, then what's the point in doing it? (aside from occasional fun)
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Folji Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's all about the person, there's not really much more to it than that. If it was an only cats and dogs thing I would've been long since shunned by most of the friends I've made in the community. =P Some people pick animals based on whether their own physical appearance (long and lean, short and stocky, big and burly, etc.) or personality (active, lazy, solitary, social, you name it), while other people just pick based on whether they like it or not, and some people even have a mile long story tied to why they picked what they did. There's not one particular reason why people choose what they do, nor is it uncommon that people just change their mind on a whim and pick a different animal instead.

Doing it for fun is more or less one of the biggest reasons why people get involved, anyhow. Either that or because it seems interesting; I decided to take a closer look because I was just plain curious! From there on it's down to being something social together with others who share the same interest.
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