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What's the thing about mature content?

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TheSpiderFromMars Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I've been thinking about this for a while now. We all know there is a mature content rule here when you submit your art. And I know, it might be necessary at times. BUT I think it's a bit exaggurated. For instance, I saw this painting the other day of two naked women lying in a small pond. It wasn't very pornographic or anything, all you could see was a par of tits and half a butt. Is it really necessary then to mark that picture as "mature"? I mean, I think there's nothing wrong with non-pornographic nudeness, we all know how the human body looks without clothes and undies. Is it really THAT bad if I would draw a naked person WITHOUT choosing the mature content option? What's your opinion regarding this matter?
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WizardOfUnseen Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I suppose as a popular website, dA has to have a mature content option for every artwork I understand it more of an eyewash than anything else but I guess it looks better that way
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nosugarjustanger Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012
I think it's better be safe than sorry. I know it's natural to be naked and all that, but people have different definition of what is mature and what is not. For me personally, nothing really can shock me anymore when it comes to seeing graphic stuff. :shrug: But I know a lot of people who are squeamish around naked things and though I don't identify with them, I still think they have the right to feel whatever they feel, as repressive as they are.
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MadOldHag Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Sometimes I don't get it either. Why should seeing the human body in all its beauty be worse than violence and gore? (Note that it is even worse when it comes to the male body.)

But then, it is as it is. The artists just want to be on the safe side. They rather set the mature filter to on than have their deviation removed because some narrow-minded person reported their photograph or painting.

Than, where, exactly, is the limit anyway? What is tasteful and what is porn? Ask twenty people and you will get twenty different opinions. Thus, there have to be rules. Guess we will have to live with it.
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Benjamin-Biddix Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
because lots of member just love to complain about art being porn when the don't agree with they're standards of art should be a anime fan art pony or sonic fandom piece, the uptight right-wing christian new members, the annoying trolls and the just plain butthurt "his/her art is better so I will baww about it being pornographic because my photography is sub-par".....like some certain users that claim it to be soft-core porn when in reality it is artistic nude.....mostly the middle school kids report it and bug the hell out of the staff.....and they get banned. :iconyaayplz:
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MatteaTime Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012
Hell, some people think looking at someone naked is cheating.
Some people think watching porn is cheating.

I mean there are lots of people who have different views and opinions.
I think we should be grateful we have nudity at all on deviantART.
They can't make everyone happy; at least they are trying. :shrug:
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TheSpiderFromMars Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Sure, but can't we make nudity on this site a bit more acceptable? That's what I would want to see. And all of a sudden, you see these über "perfect looking" women on this site, with small waists and huge tits. And they aren't filtered, because they still have their clothes on. I mean, come on!
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MatteaTime Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012
I have to agree, I find those sort of deviations unappealing and unrealistic when it comes to appreciating the human form. Personally, I enjoy tasteful nudity and the ones I enjoy most are of women with a tummy on them and frankly - just natural. I can understand why the filter is there and why people may want to shelter their children. I mean, if I want to raise my artistic child a certain way then I would appreciate some sort of filter too. I'm not saying nudity is this evil picture that so many try to paint of it but more that there are parents on this site as well as their offspring. I actually have a very close friend of mine who has her family here too and it's not really that uncommon.

I hate it when some people intentionally slip through the cracks - like you've mentioned - just because it's so unfair to those who are going by the rules. I've seen some pictures of people with a painted on/skin tight suit and I often think - that's bull crap. They pretty much got away without tagging it because of a disturbingly tight outfit on their deviation. At the same time if dA was to allow nudity without the tags, people would probably want the age raised due to law reasons or whatever. And then people would probably try to push for pornography to be allowed too. I only mention this because I've actually seen threads in the Suggestions trying to do this. Their argument was why was nudity allowed and not sex because it's so "beautiful" and so on.
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UnknownSingularity Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
To be honest I don't understand why we humans are ashamed of our nude bodies and our sexuality. I don't know why human kind insist on telling children that nudity and sex are evil things. Most animals in nature, and some tribes never exposed to "civilization" don't use clothes, and have sex anywhere they feel like doing it. Not a big deal, but we, civilized humans, make of it a big deal :omg:

Also I don't blame the website for the censorship and the filters, it is the law after all :shrug:
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TheSpiderFromMars Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I totally agree on the first part. I'm not afraid of showing myself in the nude; heck, I even applied to be a model at a figure drawing class when I was in Australia (50 aussie dollars for 2,5 hours, not bad!).

What do you mean with the law, by the way? Is it like the law-law or the deviantart-law?
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UnknownSingularity Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I think the law-law in the USA is very conservative and protective of children :nod: People in the USA cannot drink alcohol until they are 21 :dead:
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TheSpiderFromMars Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Wut? Gosh, that's extreme! And I don't see how children would fare ill if they saw a naked person on TV/in a drawing painting (I'm NOT talking about pornography here, just so we're clear). I mean, we've all seen our parents in the nude, right? So you get exposed to it pretty early in life.
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UnknownSingularity Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Not everybody, there are many conservative christians in the USA. I heard they are around 60% of the population :nod:

They are a lot like conservative muslims. Remember, in some muslims countries women cannot even show their face :omg:
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I agree with you, it doesn't have to be a big deal, but I also don't think we should take examples from primitive tribes. These are also the kinds of places where it's not a big deal to practice cannibalism, ritualistic "healing", sacrificial worship, so on and so forth, they're far from beacons of purity and morality.
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UnknownSingularity Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
What I mean, is that they have functional societies in which sex and nudity are not mortal sins :shrug:

In America, conservative christians are numerous and they have influenced the law and society in favour of their logic. Just like muslims have also similar ideas, there are countries where women cannot even show their face :fear:

It looks to me like nonsense :no:
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TheSpiderFromMars Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Actually, muslim women are allowed to show their face/hair in front of the family and to other women. It's just that no men apart from her husband are allowed to see it.

Nevertheless, conservatism is many things a bad thing, in one way or another. We gotta start modernize our thoughts in some areas. That's how we move forward as a human race.
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UnknownSingularity Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree with you 100% however, sometimes I get the impression that we are moving backwards :(

Despite all achievements and progress in science, muslim and christian populations are growing steadily and extremist are always threatening freedom :fear:

Many artist have been murdered for criticizing Islam, and that guy in Norway that killed a bunch of young kids was a radical Christian. Lots of people in the USA believe in intelligent design :dead:

The whole world is messed up :dead:
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dorashouldprint Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012
It seems we have new trend on dA, calling someone a troll or an asshole as soon as you read the thread. That's kinda boring and really not polite.
Any 13 year old with a little brain can avoid filtering, and yes, I think the rules are too harsh. Making taboos enhances the fear, and art should be the medium to knock down barriers in people themselves and between people themselves. Speaking of, this place would better suite name like 'puritan art' rather than 'deviant'. But it's true there is a thin line between say, normal nudity, and everything else, especially taking advantage of free artistic expression, so some general categorization had must be done.
Personally, I like to draw human anatomy, male or female, in fact, that's the only way to learn how to actually draw (everything), and anyone who's been to artistic school/collage knows that. It implies you're drawing those humans - naked. I'm revolted with mature content filter because that way I'm flagged as doing pornography, and yet, I'm just glorifying human beauty.
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TheSpiderFromMars Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Just had a brief look through your gallery (great art btw!) and your so called "mature art" really shouldn't need a filter (at least not the ones I saw). So, yeah, I think it's become a bit too...hyped. It was more acceptable in the past; seems like we're going back in time D:
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dorashouldprint Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012
Well thank you very much!!
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:iconendeavor-to-freefall:
I usually just think to myself "If this was on TV would they show it at 4PM when everyone comes back from school".
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TheSpiderFromMars Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
It isn't too much of a deal where I live (nudity, I mean) so maybe they would. Don't watch TV very often, so I don't really know what's showing during that time.:)
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:shrug: DA has to be seen to at least be in reasonable compliance with the country in which it's hosted.
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TheSpiderFromMars Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Well, yeah, sure. I'm just explaining my point of mature content here, and one of the reasons why I don't think it's such a big deal (I mean, if you grow up in a country which is more relaxed about this subject, then you have a big chance of being more relaxed about it yourself). I think it's even something called "the Swedish sin". lol
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I think it's difficult to have a site with such a wide appeal from across the globe and spanning different age ranges. It has to be conservative or risk alienating those who find it unacceptable, those who don't mind can always turn the filters off. DA is already banned from a lot of public library's and schools because of some of the material on it, I'm not really sure what it can do to please everybody. For me the filters suffice, I've never had them turned on anyway.
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TheSpiderFromMars Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Schools banning Deviantart because of the content? Pffft, that's ridiculous!
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aibrean Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Professional Interface Designer
I agree with LEM that you're either a troll or an asshole. A mature filter exists for a reason. Plenty of people use DeviantART at work (I certainly do for resources available). Plenty on here is NSFW and so the mature filter keeps it out so I don't have to worry about someone coming over to my desk wondering what the hell I'm doing. Secondly, I'm sure most parents wouldn't want their 13-year-old seeing some of the content on here. I sure wouldn't. There is a fine line between art and tasteless crap.

Every time I see something that should be filtered, I flag it. It's probably one of my biggest gripes. This is going to be one of those sites I have to set a parental filter for on my firewall when I'm home. You can't trust people to follow the painfully simple rules.
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TheSpiderFromMars Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yes, I know pictures with pornographic themes or lots of gore or hatred directed to a specific group of people should be filtered. But thing is, I don't see why, say, figure drawings - such a those you did in art class - should be. Aren't very offending. And besides, I think a 13-year old is old enough to see a naked human body.
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aibrean Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Professional Interface Designer
Firstly, no it's generally (i.e. art) not offensive to ME, but a) I don't want them on my screen at work at all and b) I wouldn't want my child viewing them. As mentioned, there is no way to screen between art and porn. That's the biggest issue for me. It's not that I want to shelter my child, but I don't want them to be exposed to certain things...ever. I don't want to raise promiscuous children.

It's no different than the mature filter for Google images. If YOU want to look at them, turn the filter off. You aren't "entitled" to disregard the rules because you don't think there is anything wrong with them. It's for the rest of us.

And I never did nude figure drawings in art class. I was in commercial art, not fine art, and even in high school we never had nudes.
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TheSpiderFromMars Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Isn't there a fine line between enough gore and too much gore as well? It's up to the artist whether or not to put a filter on the picture, and if other deviants object, well, just report the piece, or however you do it. I don't think that a picture should be filtered only because it contains a penis or a vagina etc.
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LaEmperatrizMariana Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
It's to keep people who hate seeing nudity, for example, from seeing it. To reduce the number of people who complain about seeing it, since the filter blocks it. If you know better, but don't do it, you're either trying to be a troll or an asshole.

Those who don't care would have the settings to where they can see it. The filter system settings should be more discriminative. There's people who don't mind nudity or sexual themes but can't stand gore. :shrug:
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TheSpiderFromMars Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
But what if I, say, hate seeing anime or wolf art (just a few examples, I've got no grudge against them) why isn't there an option for that as well? What I'm saying is that I don't really understand the fuzz about the naked human body, which is like the most natural thing in the world.

I can understand that there are filters against pornographic art or gore, because that could be considered "extreme".
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LaEmperatrizMariana Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Because to some people, nudity = porn. (As well as few clothes, but that's seen as erotic by some.) How is that difficult to understand? Not everyone knows that just plain nudity doesn't necessarily have to be sexual.

As for the other things, you'd have to put the "-" ans whatever you don't want to see in the search. It be easier, if you could just filter the front page by categories even if you'd likely miss out on something worth commenting or favouriting. But that's not something that the artist would have to self-mark.
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TheSpiderFromMars Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Not everyone knows that just plain nudity doesn't necessarily have to be sexual.
Well, that's not my problem. It's this society we're living in at the moment, were nudity is classified as a "bad" thing. In some areas. I live in Sweden, and here we're pretty cool with that, no ridiculous cencure or anything.
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LaEmperatrizMariana Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
It should be, because you're still living in "this" global society. The only way you can justify that is that if you lived in a remote area somewhere without any ties to "society" which includes internet access.

Besides, if you have your settings to where "Mature Content" is visible, it shouldn't even be a problem for you. You can browse the site and see everything uncensored, while people who don't want to see that can see the site censured to their liking.
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TheSpiderFromMars Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Well, you know, I think the rules are way to strict when it comes to these sorta things, that's why I put up this thread. If we don't make such a big fuzz out of it, it'd be more acceptable.
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LaEmperatrizMariana Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
If they were more lax, then more people would complain and flood he help desk with pointless complaints about seeing "porn" as opposed to a few people whining about a nearly discreet two words.

Like I said before, the "Mature Content" is to censure the site for those who want to enjoy a censured version of it. If you have your settings for it to be uncensured, then it shouldn't be a problem.
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DJ0Hybrid Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Simple solution: go outside and cosplay as anime character or walk around with a wolf and see how people react. Now walk around naked and see if you get the same result.

Yes, people might complain about all the anime and wolves on dA, but the general public does not view them as a bad thing to have in public. Nudity on the other hand does not work that way.

Part of the reasons (possibly at least) is that a naked woman (and sometimes men) has a special meaning among men: sex. And frankly, we need less of that.
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TheSpiderFromMars Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Well, I certainly didn't think of sex when I did figure drawing during my art classes. And why do we need less of sex?
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dorashouldprint Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012
I second!
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