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Why is Islam so much hated in the west?

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siegeonthorstadt Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2013
Seriously, how is labeling Islam as a total enemy any different than labeling one ethnicity or one race or one group as an enemy as a whole? Both are prejudices. Both are senselessly invented enemies. It's a religion, some person has it some doesn't. There are countless different countries who have majority of their people that worship according to this doctrine, ranging from north western Africa to south eastern Asia. How is it possible that all of these people in different countries and geographies deserving an inherent and pre-accepted hatred that is somehow directed towards the general of a magically organized mind?

Please, before you say bullshit sentences like "because they blow up stuff" or "they treat their women bad" or "there is something wrong in the core of their teachings", consider the fact that western countries are doing most of the "blowing up" job in this world (France blowing up 5000 Libyans in one night, America being famous for blowing up Hiroshima with a nuclear bomb) and that the first 4 countries in the world about domestic violence against women being India, China, South Africa, New Zealand, which are all non-Islamic and not receiving any general hatred to the general of their countries, ethnicities or religions (nobody hates Hindus for the fact that 2 brides get burned every day) and also coming from the fact that Kuran being one of the most peaceful religious core-texts in the world, abstracting the Bible which contains 30+ kill messages and Christian countries doing operations all over the world that cost the lives of millions of civilians but this not being connected with these kill messages in the Bible.

Explain my why, after a plane crashes into a city, within the 30 minutes of debating about how this might have happened, the option of an "accident" is skipped right away and "Muslim person who has Islamic training camps in caves and tents and is very dangerous have done this its called osama bin laden" is laid out like it has already been thought and discussed in detail way before the plane crash has happened.
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EternalJedi Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2013
For the same reason that Communism and Socialism are still hated, associating a single attribute to 'the enemy' and having them become synonymous to a point where the attribute itself is infamous for no good reason.
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Indrigor Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
The problem is not Islam, or Christianity, the problem lies in the fact that religion has lost its spirituality, it has evolved into a political tool, which is directed at the manipulation of human consciousness.
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RockyGems Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2013  Student General Artist
I don't mind Muslims, as long as they're not extremists.

Just like I don't mind Christians, as long as they're not extremists.

Or Pagans, as long as they're not extremists.

Or Pastafarians, as long as they're not extremists.
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ANNAdeLinDa Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
I think it because it became very identified with terrorist. nothing to do with Islam itself.
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Allocer2009 Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
These days, some Americans are spoon fed with half truths and stupidity that its becoming more of a norm to not use rational thinking. But out of that bunch, sometimes they are right to fear and hate Islam for a reason. I was one of them. Its a terrible mindset on what we see on something foreign, that's our nature. The reality is that when someone gets killed, assaulted, or discriminated by a muslim, of course people will look upon that man/woman and judge their faith. That's how it was back then, that's how it is today. There is no greater evil but ignorance.

At least I was fortunate to have a history teacher to taught me how to understand the world. If I was you, I wouldn't be bothered too much about the mindset of Americans, for its not your lost. Stay truth to your faith and go on with your life.
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hte-1-hsaman Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2013
People are very prejudiced. Also, fear and prejudism are powerful tools for getting one's way. That's why we have the troubles in our world that you have so well described.

I am very pleased with your post here, by the way; you have chosen to say many valid things that so very much need to be said.
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siegeonthorstadt Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2013
thanks. they are saying that west doesnt hate Islam
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hte-1-hsaman Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2013
Not all of the West; let's not generalize the West.
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Spudfuzz Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Same reason Russia, Japan, China and Germany used to be. :shrug:
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meanus Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2013
Arabs are the fathers of slavery
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ChakatBlackstar Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2013
Explain my why, after a plane crashes into a city, within the 30 minutes of debating about how this might have happened, the option of an "accident" is skipped right away

Well, you see those two tall towers in the New York skyline? No? That might have something to do with it. Besides, with modern navigational equipment and safety procedures and RADAR, it's a lot harder for a massive passenger jet to hit a skyscraper on accident.
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siegeonthorstadt Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2013
2- I didnt say it was an accident. I was just questioning why people were so convinced so early that it was an attack, and how they found out that it was osama without an investigation (you cant make an investigation in 30 minutes) because i also heard right after the attack that the japanese liberation army and several other groups took responsibility of the attack. I can also understand that the intelligence could have an idea or a kind of foreseeing about it being done by osama, but it was weird that such a fast conclusion was broadcasted on the tv, without caring what kind consequences it might have if it were to be false.
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CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Ha, they didnt figure it was Osama in 30 minutes. (It is hard to get the facts and the timeline right, I know, but a little go-ogle work does wonders).

But they did know it was an attack within 30 minutes. They became aware of Flight 11 hijack at 8.19 when one of the flight attendants contacted American Airlines at 8.19am. NORAD became aware of the hijack of that plane 18 minutes after it was hijacked at 8.37am, and the plane hit the North tower at 8.46am.

At 9.43am the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility, but this was later denied by a senior official of that organisation.

At 9.52am the NSA intercepted a phone call between a known associate of Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan and someone in the Republic of Georgia, announcing that he had heard "good news", and that another target was still to be hit.

At 9.55am CNN mentioned Osama as someone who was determined to strike at the US.

At 10.05am Andrea Mitchell, reporting on NBC from outside the Pentagon, reports that Osama bin Laden may have been involved in the attacks.

It wasn't until 8.30pm that night that members of Congress tell CNN that during private briefings with senior administration officials, they were told that the administration had enough evidence that it was "confident" the attacks are the work of Osama bin Laden and his al-Qaeda terrorist network.

So let's chuck this 'only 30 minutes to decide it was al-Qaeda' claim out the window. It was the media who decided that in the morning and started moving those suspicions around like they were facts. The media first mentioned the possibility of Osama's involvement 1 hour and 36 minutes after the first plane, flight 11 was hijacked.
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ChakatBlackstar Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2013
Well...you may have missed this bit but...they had cellphones back then. Some calls got out. Plus you know...our intel guys weren't complete idiots.
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siegeonthorstadt Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2013
I can also understand that the intelligence could have an idea or a kind of foreseeing about it being done by osama, but it was weird that such a fast conclusion was broadcasted on the tv, without caring what kind consequences it might have if it were to be false.
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ChakatBlackstar Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2013
Which would be...what? I mean, we're talking about guys who were a one-hit wonder. They had 9/11 and that was about it. I don't think we had to worry about retaliation for a false accusation
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CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
one-hit wonder?? hardly. [link]
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siegeonthorstadt Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2013
its not the accusation, its how it was so enthusiastically accepted in the media. news reporters in my country are required to be skeptic. im sure you are unfamiliar to such concept.
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CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
the media want to sell advertising. That is the only purpose. Sensationalism is one of their best tools. Truth is irrelevant.
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ChakatBlackstar Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2013
It was correct though, was it not?
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uoruta Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
the same reason that most of hte world hates Christianity realy, the attrocities commited in the name of the Islam.
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2013
Most of the world doesn't hate Christianity. Christianity has been part of most of the Western world.
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uoruta Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
in europe its getting to be pretty hated lol
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2013
The haters are just mostly Richard Dawkins and Ayaan Hirsi Ali fanboys.

76.2% of Europeans call themselves "Christian" but count as 31.7% of the world population.
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passing37 Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2013
Calling yourself 'christian' =/= being 'christian'

Most people around here who call themselves 'christian' are really 'christians in name only', they never go to church or any of that stuff.
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SherbertTCat Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Going to church doesn't define you as Christian either. Accepting Christ as your savior, and trying to live by his teachings is what makes a person Christian.
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2013
I don't see how that changes what I've said.
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siegeonthorstadt Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2013
you mean 9/11? did you know that millions of Muslims were also getting killed prior to that?
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uoruta Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
the Islam did plenty of attrocities before that get your head out of your ass and learn some history.
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siegeonthorstadt Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2013
why dont you give some examples?
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uoruta Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
read up on the Ottoman Empire. and the poor armenians of that time.
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Mclandis Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Blaming the Armenian Genocide on Islam is like blaming Christianity for the deaths of innocent people in the Iraq War.

And compared to their neighbors, the Ottomans were the lesser of two evils.
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2013
Those Armenians were killed out of politics not religion as ~Mclandis pointed out.
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siegeonthorstadt Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2013
the poor armenians that attacked and killed 2.9 million Muslims and turks prior and during the war? yeah sure. take another shot.
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EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013
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:iconsiegeonthorstadt:
siegeonthorstadt Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2013
dont wear that shirt at the airport
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EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2013
Oh no. Wear it and try to get on the Jewish airlines.
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siegeonthorstadt Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2013
and asking the hostess if she wants to press your button
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EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2013
I do not think you'll get that far:P
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AnAliasUnknown Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013
I was with you until the end. I'm doubtful that the Koran is much better about "no-kill messages" than the Bible. Also, no, it's very highly improbable that 9/11 was an "accident." It's not an excuse to blame every Muslim, but it wasn't accidental.
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siegeonthorstadt Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013
1- Kuran is, but my point was being that it was illogical for any context to be affiliated with hatred, which was not being done to Christians.

2- I didnt say it was an accident. I was just questioning why people were so convinced so early that it was an attack, and how they found out that it was osama without an investigation (you cant make an investigation in 30 minutes) because i also heard right after the attack that the japanese liberation army and several other groups took responsibility of the attack. I can also understand that the intelligence could have an idea or a kind of foreseeing about it being done by osama, but it was weird that such a fast conclusion was broadcasted on the tv, without caring what kind consequences it might have if it were to be false.
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Arrowriter Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013
Well, I shall answer your question from the perspective of an American Deist, which I happen to be. The reason why Islam is hated in the U.S. is because of media portrayal of Islam as the stereotypical religion of terrorists. In the United States, Muslims are portrayed as evil, determined killers who will not accept the American way of life, and condemn it for not following their own religion.

While I certainly agree that radical militant Islam is very dangerous and messed up, in no way do I condemn all Muslims. You see, in America, media plays a very heavy role in how people view others and, unfortunately, most don't have the will or brainpower to think for themselves. The reason Muslims were condemned so quickly after 9/11 is because our country's leaders needed a scapegoat around whose condemnation they could rally the American people. And so, the American people united against the threat of Islamic terrorism. That being said, I've done some research into 9/11, and it was by no means an accident, so I do hope you don't feel that way.

However, I do understand why you are confused around Western feelings towards Islam. Hopefully my answer helps, and, if I may ask, which country are you from and what is your religious affiliation? :)
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Zer05um Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2013  Professional General Artist
You see I do condem moderate followers of religion, because they give a hiding place for the fanatics - without them the fanatics would be isolated. Moderate religion of ANY kind gives fuel for the radicals. The only way for radicalism to be extinguished is if the moderates drive the out - and that won't happen because, for one point, in general, a radical is more appealing to a moderate member of a religion than somebody of another faith.
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Arrowriter Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2013
Well, that is your opinion, not mine. Even if moderate followers of reigion did not exist, you would still have people that follow an extremist point of view.

How does moderate religion give fuel to the radicals? You seem to base this relationship on the mere fact that moderates apparently don't reject or drive out radicals, which I do not agree with. I have Christian friends that do not tolerate radicalism.

Please explain your viewpoint more, as I do not understand. :)
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Zer05um Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2013  Professional General Artist
I'll try to be as clear here as I can. Many (but not all) moderate believers reject the violence of the fanatics in word but not in deed. Others provide support in financial or logistic terms, but do not class themselves as radicals. Others still make no comment, but assume that the radicals are on the recieving end of some conspiracy and so must be supported. It does not mean that all moderates are sympathisers, but any moderate who does not come out and actively work to counter the fanatics supports them even if unintentionally.

Consider Pakistan, where many moderates refuse to accept that a Muslim could willing harm another and therefore support various militant groups who fight not only non-muslims, but muslims of differing sects. Consider the Mid-Western church goers who tacitly or otherwise support the bombing / shooting of abortion clinic medical staff. These are moderates who provide safe haven for the fanatics.

Your friends belong to the class of moderate who are, apparently, rather rare; those that actually do publicly oppose radicalism. This is group that I support.
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Arrowriter Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2013
Ok, I understand what you are saying, and I do agree with it. I was under the impression that you believed all moderates only verbally denounce radicals, but I see that you just believe this is ostly the case.

Thank you for the explanation. :)
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Zer05um Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2013  Professional General Artist
You're welcome.
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siegeonthorstadt Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013
That answered it pretty well thanks. By the way I didnt want to imply that it was an accident, I was just questioning why people were so convinced so early that it was an attack, and how they found out that it was osama without an investigation (you cant make an investigation in 30 minutes) because i also heard right after the attack that the japanese liberation army and several other groups took responsibility of the attack. I can also understand that the intelligence could have an idea or a kind of foreseeing about it being done by osama, but it was weird that such a fast conclusion was broadcasted on the tv, without caring what kind consequences it might have if it were to be false.

My country is in my profile. My religion doesnt ask me to be affiliated to any kind of group or general of the people, like how a Christian is to a church. But I am Muslim.
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Arrowriter Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013
Hmm, well, I'm sure one of our government leaders let the idea leak early because Americans would take hold of the idea and grab onto it. We (as a nation) were pretty scared that day, and were hungry for any ideas as to who had committed such an act. That's OK that ou don't think it was an accident; I understand that you were making a point.

Ah, OK. I was just curious. :)
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VISIONOFTHEWORLD Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013
So you've posted a bunch of conspiracy bullshit about the innocent lives you mohommads blew up on September 11th, more conspiracy about white french people blowing up 5000 Libyans, and more about your religious prejudices against Hindus and christian. Then you plead for 'no bullshit' in our responses to? If we're going to play this game, I think both teams need to be able to use the same weapons.

By the way, if you deny mass murder- and then ask why people hate you- well I think that question maybe answers itself eh?
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