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Cigarettes - not as safe as marijuana

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infinitetolerance Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2013
Marijuana is a medicine!

So, isn't this the dagger in the back for anti-weed people?

*Filters will be in a pack of marijuana cigarettes*

*marijuana cigarettes will be cheaper than normal ones*

Seriously.

If cigarettes are more dangerous than marijuana, WHY SHOULD MARIJUANA BE ILLEGAL?

Oh yeah, and marijuana doesn't impair driving. The marijuana use rate is the same of the normal population as it is in accident victims.
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CA-WOLF Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Why filter it? It doesn't have any tar in it as cigarettes does.


I can go with making it legall if it:

will only be served at a type of a bar where you can order a small amount of marijuana and smoke it in a room at the bar.

will be used as medicine for the people that actually needs it as cancer patient.


Also read some of these, mate:
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infinitetolerance Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2013
Only at bars? Really? I'd say that's more dangerous than letting people buy it at a tobacco shop because after they buy it they bring it home and smoke it in privacy.
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Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
God damn, how baked ARE you now? :lol:
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infinitetolerance Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013
I haven't smoked for a several months.
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Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Bullshit.
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infinitetolerance Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013
You're right. I just smoked heroin, crack, and pcp in one bowl.
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Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Perhaps, perhaps you did :lol:
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infinitetolerance Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013
nope

never did anyone of those drugs

just weed, shrooms, and all the legal ones

You should try shrooms dude.

My first reaction to the high of them: "HOW IS THIS SHIT NOT LEGAL?!"
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Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
We ALL know you did those drugs.
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infinitetolerance Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013
I haven't smoked for a several months.

lol
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JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
"
*Filters will be in a pack of marijuana cigarettes*"

cold day in hell before I start filtering my precious bud.

also, if you don't want to inhale smoke, there are other ways of taking pot, like vaporizers, and steamers that give you the THC with no smoke or tar.

also, pot smokers smoke far less pot per weight than tobacco. loose pipe tobacco is less than $1/ounce for the really good stuff.
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VelvetFish Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Student Filmographer
let's be smart about this.

first of all, let's quit it with the 'weed is harmless' approach. it does pose some risks for people prone to schizophrenia and can have a detrimental effect on the brain development of minors.

I still agree that marijuana should be legalized, but if we keep ignoring those 2 risks during debates, they'll keep bringing it up in their counterarguments.

also, arguing that it doesn't affect driving will severely harm your argument; driving while blazed out of your skull is dumb, just like driving shit-faced. If we're going to hold any kind of credibility to politicians, we got to stop pretending like it doesn't affect us at all; otherwise, they'll just call us liars and laugh us out of the debate.

third of all, arguing that marijuana is medicinal is helpful to the cause of medical marijuana, but detrimental to its legalization for recreational use. As much as i'd love to have a MJ card right now, i understand that there are people with incredibly painful diseases that actually need marijuana. I, as a healthy young man, standing next to someone who's dying, and pretending that i know how he feels and pretending that i need it medicinally, is bullshit. It'll make my side look bad, and could even compromise the cancer patients access to medical MJ.

fourth, marijuana, although not physically addictive, is psychologically addictive to an extent. (although at a much lower extent than cigs or booze.) this doesn't mean we'll be sucking dick for joints any time soon, but it does give enough leverage for those in anti-legalization organizations, as well as providing a very concise counterargument. (and face it; those T-Breaks can get pretty tough.)

I am for legalization, but unless we get our shit together and form cohesive, logical, and accurate arguments, we'll just look like a bunch of stoners complaining and scrambling for any excuse to legalize pot.
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infinitetolerance Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013
proof? links? sources? logic? intelligence?
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VelvetFish Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013  Student Filmographer
dude; i'm for legalization.

I'm not saying that weed is bad; i'm saying that the people who are anti-pot will go out of their way to make us look like children.

It's easier to argue against "weed is harmless" instead of "weed is safer than booze, cigs, or coffee." if we're gonna win, we got to decrease the amount of leverage opponents can use against us, even if it means agreeing to put an age limit on it and acknowledging that weed isn't broccoli.

(and save the medical talk for legalizing it for medicinal use only. It makes the many who want to use it for recreational purposes look insincere. The best approach would be to say "I want pot to be legal because i want to get high without getting arrested." Honesty matters, and insincerity can lose PR even if the cause is correct.)
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infinitetolerance Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013
sorry dude i didnt read your whole post

but yeah you had some good points.... when i get a campaign manager, im sure we'll talk about PR and stuff
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VelvetFish Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Student Filmographer
mkay. (although PR starts with the people; we as a group need to have cohesive, convincing arguments that can convince people when spread by word of mouth.)

at this point, we got everything we need as far as research goes to convince the people that it's safe. we just need to let the politicians know we're serious and the public know that weed isn't just for stereotypical stoners.
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JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
"first of all, let's quit it with the 'weed is harmless' approach."

sure, but so are a lot of things.

"it does pose some risks for people prone to schizophrenia"
just like coffee poses a risk to those with heart problems.
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if your all about the "pure and healthy" lifestyle, smoking pot might be out of place. So is coffee, so is alcohol, so is everything.

But if your the guy who enjoys smoking cigars, drinking whiskey straight, drinking coffee black, eating your steak rare, and riding your motorcycle with straight pipes, no helmet or sleeves.

smoking pot is probably once of the least risky things you do.
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VelvetFish Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Student Filmographer
of course weed isn't risky. it's safer than coffee. you're mistaking me for an anti-pot guy; i am for legalization, all the way. I was just saying that some 'points' really aren't helping our cause.

when i said "stop with the 'weed is harmless' approach, i wasn't saying that weed is harmful; i literally meant that when debating with people who are anti-pot, we shouldn't explicitly state that weed is harmless, because some asshat will bring up stats on schizos and kids smoking pot and make us look like liars. it's easier to argue against a "weed is harmless" argument than a "weed is safer than booze, cigs, and coffee" argument.

i also mentioned a few other popular arguments made by people who are pro-weed that compromise our position.

next time, read the comment you're replying to.
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hustlerdu Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013
what's funny is nothing you've said in this one is really all that ridiculous. if people actually would do a little research (they won't) they would see that nothing you've said is that strange. weed definitely is useful medicinally and it doesn't usually cause car accidents. those are the only two discernible points i really can tell that you made, and they're both the absolute truth and are supported by ALL the data. oh and also you said weeds more dangerous than cigarettes which is so obvious at this point if you disagree with that you must be completely ignorant.
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zodiacgal Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I'm kind of neutral on the issue of legalizing marijuana. :shrug:
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tacosteev Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist
Another thought, maybe it's nothing to do with health but with money. Weed can be grown anywhere and it's no guarantee that folk who smoke it will buy from an "approved" retailer so how can the government tax it? Could be the real driving force keeping it illegal.

Just a thought.
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Savaliste Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013
what is with the dope heads wanting their weakness to be legal so they can feel better about themselves
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hustlerdu Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013
it' more that people in general don't think people should be arrested and put in jail. a lot of people who don't even smoke weed agree with that. and there's also medicinal and industrial uses for cannabis that could be further explored with legalization. so it's more about that important stuff than whatever petty shit you're trying to say there.
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Savaliste Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013
:giggle:
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Cenaris Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Personal insecurity.
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no-doves-fly-here Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013
The claim that "cigarettes are not as safe as marijuana" is intellectually dishonest because you are comparing apples to oranges.

According to the Surgeon General, tobacco pipe smokers have mortality and lung/mouth cancer rates about the same as those who abstain from smoking altogether. Pipe smoking is also non-addictive and even has some positive effects on one's mental health.
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der-freishutz Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
oh boy its this cunt again.

Id rather smoke cigarettes than marijuana, as its more socially accpetable and are not intoxicating. Marijuana does impair driving as it is intoxicating, same with sleep depravation.

move to fucking sweden if you care so much about this shit.
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VISIONOFTHEWORLD Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013
Actually mj is still worse because nearly all of it is smoked unfiltered. I'm pretty sure smoking unfiltered drug of any kind is not healthy. This shit is not medical, and the only doctors who would prescribe SMOKING to aleve anything are quacks and frauds. There is no discussion value to this, you're just putting up billboard advertisements and there is no debate.
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Bullet-Magnet Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013
You're right. We should look into the legality of tobacco.
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deviant-garde Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013
You need to stop thinking about weed so much and chill out, smoke a spliff or something.
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Lexi247 Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013
:rofl:
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RestInMotion Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013
Marijuana is not medicine. And yes, it can impair your driving. The potheads won't admit this because they've smoked enough to the point where they are able to drive well.
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hustlerdu Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013
oh c'mon you know it has medicinal value.
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RestInMotion Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013
Lots of things have medicinal value. To call smoking marijuana medicine though is basically like drinking Pepsi and calling it medicine.
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hustlerdu Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013
marijuana can be smoked legitimately medicinally. that's how a lot of people use it medicinally.
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RestInMotion Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013
Sure.
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hustlerdu Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013
:shrug: it's basically just the easiest cheapest way to use the drug, it kinda just makes the most sense
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BladenX Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013
Either way you're breathing in smoke.
Don't kid yourself that one is better than the other.
Both are bad.
We don't breath in campfire smoke because it's dangerous.
All smoke is bad for you.
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ScottaHemi Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
so is Tylonal, try some.

no

wat

wat

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because

um yeah it does. wat???
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puppy-dangerous Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
Eh, it may impair motor function for about half an hour. But it's also been shown that people who are impaired are more aware of that fact than someone that is, say, drinking.

It has nothing to do with what is safe, you know that, right?
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Xannijn Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Student Filmographer
I've had friends that smoked weed and then feared that the buildings might be following us. They stopped every ten steps to look back and get all "Girl, I SWEAR, this thing will NOT leave us alone!". They were about to alert the fucking cops about stalking buildings. They don't do any of that shit after smoking a cigarette. :lol:

If they were driving and then thought that the buildings were chasing us, we'd have been in some serious trouble. Don't be an idiot and claim that it's safer than a cigarette. Safer for your lungs, maybe, but not everything else.
Also your photoshop pics are extremely weird. Just had to say. :stare:
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CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
You're ignoring the fact that the vast majority of spliffs consist primarily of tobacco, with a little weed mixed in. A blunt would have a massive effect on one's driving ability. 
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siantjudas Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013   Digital Artist
Lol. I smoked and drove all the god damn time and even I'm not that stupid.
Completely affects your ability to drive, I just took that risk.
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gvcspecks Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013
Why will they be cheaper?
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Agent-Sarah Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Cigarettes - not as safe as marijuana

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CatapultedCarcass Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
In the same way that a chainsaw up the arse is not as safe as a javelin through the neck.
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Agent-Sarah Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
OW...
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RestInMotion Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013
Other way around.
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CatapultedCarcass Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
What's your reasoning?
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RestInMotion Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013
The later is more likely to kill you than the former. Unless the chainsaw is on. This is a strange conversation.
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