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22 activists imprisoned in Vietnam

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Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
22 activists have been given sentences ranging from 10 years to life imprisonment after a week-long trial: [link]

The defendants were convicted of trying to overthrow the government — a charge which rights groups say is routinely laid against peaceful activists.

The group’s 65-year-old “ringleader” Phan Van Thu received a life sentence, while the other 21 defendants were given between 10 and 17 years followed by up to five years’ house arrest.

Their court appointed lawyer Nguyen Huong Que said that “Most of the defendants admitted their crime of aiming to overthrow the people’s administration. The sentences are adequate for their crimes."


The article also mentioned that Vietnamese authorities arrested 13 activists (unrelated to this group) last month.

So what are your thoughts?
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kimsy2358 Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013
The communists are screw-ups and fascists, what’s new.
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rakunow Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

Like someone else also posted, it is not a communist regime, far from it. It is a fascist regime - just like in North Korea, USSR and some other countries. And even in the US - however in the US, the fact is (or was) hidden from the people for a long time. When people rebel, at last you see what a country really is. We don't have to look at North Korea to see "OMG DICTATORSHIP".

Simply look at who owns the place.

Is it the people? Good. (Iceland)

Is it a handful of people? Not good. (USA, North Korea, Vietnam)
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:iconcosmic--chaos:
Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Correct- authoritarian regimes hates it when people think for themselves.
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:iconrakunow:
rakunow Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013
Indeed. Unfortunately, some revolutions get kidnapped by authoritarian parties.
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:iconcosmic--chaos:
Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Unfortunately, that seems to be commonplace as history and current events show us.
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:iconrakunow:
rakunow Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013
Yub yub. It is so unfortunately. But, it's getting better, slowly. We just need to keep faith into the information technology.
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:iconcosmic--chaos:
Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes, the tools of communication are only improving.
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:iconrakunow:
rakunow Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2013
Indeed, which can also improve relations among people.
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EquidnaRojo Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Power corrupts. That's what it boils down to. It's my hope that Vietnam can get the revolution it needs. Granted, I know nothing about how the whole situation went down.

I read somewhere that people who are less ignorant, more knowledgeable about what goes on, tend to be the most depressed. Ignorance is bliss, as they say. In theory, it would serve a country well if all it took were ignorance to keep the populace happy, however the ignorant are the most dangerous, most likely to violently lash out. It would pay off in the long run for countries to educate the masses and change their ways where possible. Or be honest if they can't live up to their promises.

This is just my idealized view. I know it's a lot more complicated than that. Few people actually want to be saddled with such knowledge, because it would force them to be more responsible. XD; I'm sorry. I'm rambling...
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Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes it does, and it seems that the regimes with ALL of the power (authoritarian or totalitarian states) are among the most corrupt.

I read somewhere that people who are less ignorant, more knowledgeable about what goes on, tend to be the most depressed.

Holy shit, that's me! :O Then again, a chemical imbalance plays a major part, too.

Anyway, ignorance should never be described as bliss. It is simply ignorance, something negative and harmful to individual and society alike.

It would pay off in the long run for countries to educate the masses and change their ways where possible. Or be honest if they can't live up to their promises.

It truly would; you're definitely not alone in thinking this way. And I assure you that you aren't rambling, this was a great post. :thumbsup:
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EquidnaRojo Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
XD the more I know, the more I feel regretful for how I used to act as a kid XD; I was always nicer, but I could still be a bitch... I managed to insult one of my best friends for being Mexican (she was actually from Puerto Rico, And I learned I was a racist little shit then! :dummy: I'm much more tolerant now(many of my good friends being from Mexico and other hispanic regions), though listening to my parents I can see where a lot of that prior racism came from. I just never questioned anything before.

Ignorance is dangerous. It may be bliss (can't worry about what you don't know) but it's not bliss for anyone more enlightened. Despite your chemical imbalance, you seem like a very knowledgeable person. It's always fun to talk to you! You're also very noble and big-hearted, so it's like a double whammy just for that XD
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Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, I feel the same way. I hate looking back at the stupid shit I did when I was a kid.

...Jeez, that's not good, insulting someone because of the place they were from DX Then again, you were a kid.

It's good to ask questions often, because that means you seek to develop an understanding of things.

And thanks for saying that; it really means a lot to me :)
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siegeonthorstadt Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013
as long as people think power comes from the ability to persecute, these things will always happen. we will only hear more about them with the increasing technology of the media
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:iconcosmic--chaos:
Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
It's a shame how these persecutions never seem to end.
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siegeonthorstadt Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013
check out Uyghur massacres by china
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no-doves-fly-here Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
Meanwhile the government here in the United States has burned children alive for their parents' participation in non-violent labor strikes, has jailed hundreds of Occupy protestors over the past couple of years, and even bursted into the home of a couple of innocent anarcho-capitalists with stun grenades and assault rifles ready simply because they owned black clothing, spray paint and... wait for it... a stick, then imprisoned them not for being guilty of terrorism (which they weren't), but for not testifying before grand jury.

Okay.
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JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
thats another issue, which does not affect this one. If you have to justify the actions of one nation against its people, vs another nation doing the same, your buying into the traditional nationalist trap of divide in rule. (not to say all people can't be proud of their country, but they shouldn't step on other people's pride either).

So when Russia likes to tout its freedom, and points the spotlight at OWS, and how independants, third parties, and the American prison system. And then America does the same with its media and Russia, and its system.

Then you tell me your going to pick sides, when protestors world wide have the same complaints, and get the same responses, from authoritarian figures?

also, as much as I hate to say this, what happened to occupy was nothing compared to the sentences these people got.
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Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Correct, Jack.
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Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Burning children alive in the United States? Where are your sources?

I'm aware of the other crimes, though.
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no-doves-fly-here Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
The Ludlow Massacre, in 1914. Eleven children and four pregnant women were shot, burned and suffocated to death by the anti-unionist thugs of the Colorado National Guard, and nothing was done by the federal government to intervene until the unionists took up arms and started defending themselves, fighting the militias back. [link]
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JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
which next year, will mark the 100th anniversary. Times have changed many times since then. We are talking about what is going on now.
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no-doves-fly-here Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013
It is relevant when you consider the fact that Woodrow Wilson's administration allowed that to go on, and that his form of progressivism is in a state of revival among modern American liberals.
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JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
no, its still a completely different time, and not relevant.

all involved parties are now dead.

mabey we can drag up napolean if we wanted to say something against france, or columbus against spain.
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no-doves-fly-here Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013
"mabey we can drag up napolean if we wanted to say something against france, or columbus against spain."

If there is an imperialist or colonialist revival, then yes.

I mean, nobody would say that Hitler is irrelevant to modern national-socialists.
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JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
"I mean, nobody would say that Hitler is irrelevant to modern national-socialists."

haha. A good chuck of people in many ideologies seem to think hitler is still relevant, usually mistakenly.

Even if there is an imperialist re-vival in france in the future, Napoleon would not be relevant.
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Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I know the Ludlow Massacre as well; that was simply evil.

However, I meant within the last few years, like 2006 and onwards.
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no-doves-fly-here Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
Well there have been a few more recent incidents wherein the police have irresponsibly shot children during houseraids over laws that probably should not exist.
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OrangeKrissy Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
Why should anyone care what happens in Viet Nam when the countries of each of us on DA have their own problems?
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JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
united we stand, divided we fall???

activists world wide face the same problems,.
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:iconcosmic--chaos:
Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
She knows; she's trolled other threads before :P
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Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Why can't we care about Vietnamese activists?

Why can't we learn about what happened?

I did not tell DA members reading this to suck it up when it came to their own problems :unimpressed:
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EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
It's the communist's way or trying to delay the inevitable.

Unless those 22 people were billionaire industry leaders with immense sway, the 'overthrow' thing
loses steam and validity real fast.
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Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
...Well, they obviously were not billionaire industry leaders.
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EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
Well then life sentences are way off base. But i don't care
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:iconcosmic--chaos:
Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
That's a shame- if you don't care. I mean, it's good that these people stood up and it sucks that they're going to prison. I wish that other people (in Vietnam) would protest, but the odds are slim-to-none...
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no-doves-fly-here Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
Vietnam is in no way, shape or form a communist nation. Like the People's Republic of China, it is economically neoliberal. Furthermore income distribution is highly disproportionate there, making it essentially a capitalist plutocracy. Other forms of social inequality are rampant as well, making the nation's ideology entirely antithetical to the central tenet of communism thought: [link] [link] [link] [link] [link] [link] [link]

"Communism" is not a synonym for "authoritarianism".
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EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
Eh, whatever. Single party. The Niners lost, the world can burn! Burn I tell ya! :shakefist:
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Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Vietnam's current regime WAS originally based on communism decades ago. We know that it's authoritarian now.
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no-doves-fly-here Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
Actually it's 2013, fuck me! :lmao:
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:iconcosmic--chaos:
Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
...You don't say?
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no-doves-fly-here Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
This is 2012, not decades ago.
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:iconcosmic--chaos:
Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes, I know that decades have passed.
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no-doves-fly-here Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
Omega's post was in regards to present-day Vietnam, not 1970's Vietnam.
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VISIONOFTHEWORLD Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
You don't need to be a billionaire in Vietnam. A hundred thousand will do to make you as powerful as a billionaire in Murricka. :thumbsup:
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Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
This thread can do without ignorant posts and the ignorance-breeding 'Murica insult. Guys like you will never be treated respectfully.
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VorpalPen Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013   Artist
So, it's ok for you to criticize Viet Nam but not ok for VISION to criticize the U.S.?

Honestly, very few people here are likely to have any concern for Viet Nam -- and that's just fine. You don't have to play into PC garbage by prentending care about people you don't know here ;)
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Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
If he wanted to be taken more seriously, it wouldn't kill him to be more eloquent instead of belting out an insult.

And I'm not being PC or "pretending to care". I'm merely bringing an article to DA that might interest some of the members who post on this forum. Sue me.

Lastly, there are quite a few dead-horse threads on this forum (including Infinite Tolerance and Meanus' increasingly stupid posts). I thought it would be good to post something different- something I think is important.

I wish more protesters came together, but the odds are next-to-nil, unfortunately.
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VorpalPen Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013   Artist
I dig what you're saying, no offense taken or meant ;).

People are so contrarian these days that if you don't attempt to entertain them while trying to inform them, they will turn on you. Personally, I'd have created a thread about how great it is that Viet Nam is so citizen friendly that it doesn't need protesters anymore, and how we should be implementing similar controls on speech in the U.S. ASAP!

Yeah, at least we can all agree that meanus has lost it! :)
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Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I know, although I wasn't in a humorous mood when I posted this :P

I could've said something like "I thought communism/socialism meant an equal society" but I would probably be spammed with comments like "Vietnam isn't a true communist state" and whatnot.
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HtimsNayr Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
They should consider that this might be why people are trying to overthrow the government in the first place.

The unrestrained abuse of state power, that is.
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