I say: Yes! Yes, corporal punishment does have a place in schools.
There's this group of people in every school who make it harder for everybody else to learn, who constantly disrupt learning exercises and take away from the generally-agreed upon purpose of public education. They believe themselves above the rules, and need object lessons as to what the purpose of school is, and how best to achieve their goals. Corporal punishment is necessary, because they believe themselves immune to the school authorities who are merely attempting to direct them in beneficial ways. They despise tests, and fight bitterly every test designed to ensure they're qualified to be in the classrooms they're in.
They are, of course, the teachers and administrators.
Do you actually know any teachers or school administrators personally? It's nice and easy to just blame the people trying to deal with the shitbrains kids these days, it sounds so cool and edgy to. Do you feel your teachers were this terrible that they should be spanked? Which ones- give me an example.
I know my school administrator and all of the teachers personally. in my school, with less than two dozen students, there is a group of students who constantly disrupt learning and are, essentially, making plays for power among the students by controlling when we have an environment where we can actually learn. as much as we need it, there isn't corporal punishment. if there was, the situation would be much different.
No. It used to in British schools at least a hundred years back but otherwise no. What about physical discipline in parenting? Yes or no? How much if yes? Is the increase in unruly behaviour in youths nowadays partly a symptom of physical discipline no longer being used in parenting?
I know that in my country, it was only a few years ago that they passed the Anti-Smacking Bill that stops parents from disciplining their children by spanking them. According to the polls, only a slight majority were in favour of it. Maybe this is because there are other methods of punishment now that weren't available before. Parents now find it easier to just take away their kids phones, iPods etc. Humans learn quicker from what we can physically experience - which is why spanking works. Do something wrong and you get ouchie. But with removal of electronic devices - so what? Most teenagers think they "can't live" without texting their friend every 5 seconds, but such punishments don't really teach anything.
qwertywithakFeatured By OwnerFeb 7, 2013Hobbyist Writer
I don't think that corporal punishment belongs in today's society. I knew a girl who was beaten by her dad until she was 18 and decided to move out. On the day she moved out she broke a lamp over his head causing him to have a seizure. Moral of the story, hitting someone enough will cause them to hit back.
Corporal punishments lack the bite if the authority of the person who hands out punishment is not taken seriously. Teachers today are not held as high regard as over half a century ago. So, in this respect, I would not be so sure about teachers carrying them out in today's setting. How about the potential for lawsuits, if things turn out ugly? Also, the more they are used, the less effective they become. Not to mention, it would be rather difficult to discourage kids from using physical force if they perceive the adults around them prone to such.
corporal punishment never had a place. the instillation of authority by violence is a hallmark of fascism.
it has no place in a institution teaching freedom and democracy. It worked great for the Prussians however, where the point of school was to make children submissive so they stayed that way in adulthood.
making children submissive to authority, makes them submissive adults who in turn wreck democracy with their inability to participate.
You say that teachers are held in higher esteem in the past. This would imply that students were more submissive. Which leads to the logical conclusion that it's a bad idea to carry out corporal punishment on students today, since they'll be more willing to fight back. And despite the fact that it's the teacher who is holding the cane/paddle/whatever, when it comes to a fight the teacher might not stand a good chance since they'll be too stunned by the change in events.
I think students were more submissive in the old days. Several reasons: a) Parents held more authoritarian attitude towards outside authorities, not just within their households; b) More kids were growing up in smaller communities which meant bad behaviors directly impacted their and their parents' reputation within their community; c) Teaching in general was more top-down, coupled with stricter set of regulations, such as dress codes.
Corporal Punishment has no place in modern society Studies have shown that children do not improve academically with the beatings What we need is better parents and better teachers But that wont happen
Mercury-CroweFeatured By OwnerFeb 3, 2013Professional Artisan Crafter
Well, I believe that sometimes a kid (or adult) just really, REALLY needs to get whacked a couple times.
It comes down to really being willing to punish someone.
When I was a kid, my parents threatened to spank us all the time, and we didn't care...because it was an empty threat. I remember getting spanked one time, once. I think my brothers did, too. One time. And that was pretty much it. That one spanking stuck but only because it was so unusual, we never stopped anything for fear of being spanked (or punished, period, we all had doors to the outside on our rooms so we couldn't even be grounded.).
My kid, though, if you tell her 'do that again and you're going to get popped' she knows that's true, if she does it again she'll be physically punished. So I don't have to do it very often (it's been years since I have, actually, just knowing I will is enough).
But then again it's a very sticky situation, some kids really do need to have it established that yes, they really WILL get punished unless they behave themselves, and maybe getting paddled will help them learn to control themselves and not get thrown in jail when they get older.
On the other hand, that's the LAST thing some kids need. There are those who have issues that go beyond just never learning to control themselves, who need to be worked with instead of just punished.
And only being around the kids while they are at school, that's pretty hard to determine.
It appears you're suggesting that instead of punishing schoolchildren, you should send them off to the counsellor to see what their problem is. That could sort of work. Because if the counsellor can figure out which of the two groups the student belongs to - whether they need discipline or they have a traumatising upbringing - can help to devise a suitable form of punishment.