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Christians don't believe in their own doctrines

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FerricPlushy Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Just recently a woman was admitted at St. Thomas More hospital because she had a blocked artery. Several complications arose and her and her 2 unborn children died.
The husband is now suing the catholic hospital for the death of his wife and 2 children.
In the hospital's defense they allege that since the children were not delivered, they do not count as people under the law.
Basically unborn children are only people when it's used to withhold contraception from female employees, but when the hospital is being sued for malpractice, all of the sudden unborn children are no longer people.
I say the man should let the church argue this point, then when hearings are being held on providing contraception to woman that work at church own businesses, there will be precedence that the church does not believe unborn children are people.
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xtinyheartx Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It isn't that they don't follow their own doctrines...
society made it so that doctors feel like they have the obligation to exclude all religion beliefs to be more "rational" or "logical". So many scientists are basically being pressured to change what they believe just for for their career...
I don't think catholic churches only allow catholic/christian doctors to work there...I bet you there is a lot of doctors that were in that hospital that aren't religious in any sense.

Also through out history the church always did its best offering the people health needs or survival needs...however when the health system/whoever says what they think is best for survival/health...they are forces to act like every other hospital. I am not sure if they are required under law...but I am sure they are at least pressured into it by everyone.

Either that or this isn't a normal traditional sort of catholic practice...
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Veelore Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Money > Religious doctrines

The Catholic Church makes an insane amount in profits (although they are the largest donor to charities, I'll give them that)
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maddmatt Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013
If your John Kerry/Nancy Pelosi Catholics are running the hospital, then no, there is no regard for sanctity of life.

But if this hospital is operating under the laws of the land, then it doesn't matter their personal views if the law has definitions that are the current rule of the land.
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FerricPlushy Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
They're still hiding behind the very law they're trying to destroy
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maddmatt Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2013
Hiding? Or just abiding by the law?

Most Catholic institutions I know of follow the law of the land whether they agree with it or not.
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FerricPlushy Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
They could easily settle with the husband and acknowledge they actually believe in their own doctrine, they're just trying to save money
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maddmatt Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2013
They might settle anyway. But still doesn't mean they aren't bound to the same laws of the land everyone else is.
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FerricPlushy Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
They have the capacity in this case to abide by their own moral obligations instead of the law, no one is making them not settle.
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maddmatt Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013
They have to follow the law.
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FerricPlushy Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Abiding and hiding are two completely different things. They could simply settle and follow their own beliefs
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SwordOfScotland Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013
On Thursday, Denver Archbishop Samuel Aquila, Colorado Springs Bishop Michael Sheridan and Pueblo Bishop Fernando Isern said in a release:
 
"From the moment of conception, human beings are endowed with dignity and with fundamental rights, the most foundational of which is life. ... No Catholic institution may legitimately work to undermine fundamental human dignity."


Read more: Caņon City man suing Catholic hospital reacts to bishops' concerns - The Denver Post [link]  
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From your own link the Catholic Bishops are saying that no Catholic institution may claim they are not human, and the hospital is not claiming that they were not human.  The hospital is merely stating that COLORADO LAWS do not recognize the fetuses as human beings, and the hospital may only be prosecuted under existing Colorado laws.  You want hospitals to be held liable?  Change Colorado's laws to recognize fetuses as human beings.
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FerricPlushy Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
The hospital could still settle instead of hiding behind the same exact law they're trying to destroy
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SwordOfScotland Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2013
Settle? Settle on what? Nobody, including yourself, has presented any definitive proof that the doctors, or the hospital, made any wrong decisions.
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FerricPlushy Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Well let's see the mother was admitted with a blocked artery and her and her unborn children ended up dead. And a c section wasn't even performed in an attempt to save the children's lives. But I have proven than money comes before morals, especially for christians
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SwordOfScotland Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2013
You have left out one critical point that makes your whole case moot. Where is your professional evidence that performing a C-Section would definitively have saved the twins, and that they would have lived normal, healthy lives? In addition, where is your professional medical evidence, and your expert witnesses that were present in the delivery room that can testify that any doctor did anything wrong? You have nothing!

All you are doing is feebly trying to use your Christianiphobic fears and predjudices to fan the flames of human emotion. You are not a trained medical professional, and you were not in the delivery room at the time, thusly, you are not qualified to make any judgement on thier decision.
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FerricPlushy Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Yeah I'm sure there would be a line of workers that want to speak up against their business and sacrifice their professional career. Did you ever think christians don't even have inate morals? That they operate on the very lowest level of fear based morality?
And my point exactly that no one knows if the twins would have been saved. If the c section is performed and the twins die then there is direct culpability, but if the procedure is not carried out then there is plausible deniability. You know NOTHING of medical litigation.
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SwordOfScotland Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2013
So, you finally admit it. You have NOTHING!! You are just scratching, trying to stir up the dirt, like a chicken looking for bugs. Get on with your life, and quit being such a Christianiphobe. God will forgive you......and so will we.
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FerricPlushy Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Just because you're a sophist doesn't mean you're not a scum bag.
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TBSchemer Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013
What the law says is not a matter of religious belief. Someone who believes that fetuses are unborn people can still make the argument that the law doesn't treat fetuses as people.
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stipend Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013   General Artist
agreed.
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scarletangel28 Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013
1 church hospital does not speak for the whole church. and yes their are christians out that are total hypocrics and it is thoses christians that give christianity a bad name. but they do not speak for the whole. so it would be wrong to condem millions of people for what only a few did.
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FerricPlushy Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Why, christians seem content to let one pride parade, or one flamboyant gay celebrity speak for millions of people
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scarletangel28 Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013
because there it is agreed for that group to speak for millions no agreed for the hospital to speak for them
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FerricPlushy Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
No you can't have it both ways, typical fucking christian wants preferential treatment
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scarletangel28 Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013
what? you seem to think all christians are alike and when one does something that means all do that that does not seem fair and no we dont want preferential treatment we are all human and make mistakes
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VISIONOFTHEWORLD Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013
What this demonstrates is the putrid poo that results when you try to mix christianism with laissez-faire capitalism. And it shows the ultimate failure of business as an entity: if we have to claim babies are not alive and contradict our own beliefs to support the needs of the business... then we effectively HAVE NO BELIEFS. The whole thing is dark and hideous. Sorry conservatives, it's over. I mean it's really over.
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tacosteev Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013  Hobbyist
No, what we have here are lawyers trying to get their client off. Doesn't matter what their employer believes, those lawyers have a job to do. The law there says unborn babies are not people and they merely pointed it out. Nothing to do with catholics or christians in general.
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VISIONOFTHEWORLD Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013
Claiming to believe one thing and doing another is hypocrisy. Like I said, it's over.
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tacosteev Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013  Hobbyist
Where did the lawyers claim that fetuses were people? There's no hypocrisy here.
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PoetBoi Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
The fall of Christianity is closer than it appears; Oh sure, there'll still be a large group here and there, but it's being taken over by larger ideas. Scientology is on the rise, atheism is on the rise, but there are places losing their Christian majority.

And that makes me happy. I give it one, maybe two and a half hundred years before we see something new.
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Abstract-Mindser Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013
I don't think the church of happology can even compete with the Buddhist Philosophy or the other two competing Abrahamic religions, along with Atheism.
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PoetBoi Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I didn't say that it did; I said that it will. Whether this is because it rises to the level of Christianity or vice versa, we'll see.
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Abstract-Mindser Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013
But I do partially agree, Christianity has overstayed its welcome, eating far too many resources and only returning so little.
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kaput6no Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013   Digital Artist
Why do people always seem to consider Christians as some sort of Hive-Mind, with everybody in the group sharing the same opinion about a precise subject?
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Abstract-Mindser Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013
Because according to their own holy scripture, they're supposed to be as one mind and one body.
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kaput6no Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013   Digital Artist
Well judging by all the schisms and sub-groups its safe to assume it already failed a long time ago.
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Abstract-Mindser Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013
:shh: Don't tell them that they've failed!
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kitsumekat Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013
I doubt anyone actually read the article.
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SwordOfScotland Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013
I not only read the article, my friend, but quoted it.
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kitsumekat Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013
I see.
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Lytrigian Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
You hire a lawyer to defend you, the lawyer picks the legal defense he thinks will work. It has nothing to do with religious doctrines.
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FerricPlushy Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Well the catholic hospital is hiding behind the same law they are trying to get removed, in america we call that a two face scum bag
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Lytrigian Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Welcome to the American tort system.
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bohobella Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Uh, Roe v Wade? Unborn FETUSES =/= people. Come on, there's even a thread going on about how this has been in place for 40 years now.
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FerricPlushy Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
the catholic hospital is hiding behind the same exact law they're trying to tear down, that's the problem
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scythepuppet Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's just ironic that an apparently Christian facility would defend themselves with something so contentious in the Christian community.
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bohobella Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
True, true.
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kitsumekat Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013
The problem is that the twins where at a state where they can survive on their own.
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tacosteev Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013  Hobbyist
I want to know why a c section wasn't performed. I find it hard for a doctor to stand around not doing something that would save two unborn children. Wonder if there was some sort of complication or it was already too late for it. Since the lawsuit got dismissed I doubt we'd ever know :shrug:
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kitsumekat Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013
They actually refused to do it. Also, I kinda doubt the lawsuit was dropped.
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