GalacticGoatFeatured By OwnerJan 29, 2013Hobbyist General Artist
tl;dr: Fundies are like a kid with a bag of candy that is asked to share it with the class. He acts like its so unfair when if he doesn't then only he may enjoy candy. Him not sharing is the actual unfair action and yet he does it under the assumption otherwise he is being harmed.
That's the thing about being in a privilege majority: you're so used to being above others you view any semblance of society gaining equality as the same as being oppressed.
Religious freedom is in no way threaten, Christian rule is being threaten and those two are vastly different things. If this brand of Christian actually valued religious freedom then it would also value freedom from religion and therefore wouldn't be against the legality and accessibility of things like birth control and gay marriage.
For the record before someone points out this stupid shit: things like murder and theft are wrong for reasons outside Christian doctrine. Even a sociopath, a person unable to feel empathy, can be convinced with logic that murder and theft are damaging things that would harm them if they committed it. So saying "well if gays can marry because they're free of religion why can't I kill someone?" is just plain asinine and just shows some Christians do not understand the difference between laws and religious based morality.
Actually that's the whole problem with some Christians to begin with: the only reason they don't want gays to marry is because they think the laws and their religion are one in the same and they honestly do live in a theocracy. This is good reason democracy sometimes fails: when your population does not understand its religion is an independent entity from the laws you get people thinking if they let something against their religion fly that their religion freedom is actually being harmed when not letting it fly is actually doing that but just to people of a different religion.
If any organization in the US is harming religious freedom its some sects of Christianity. The only good news is they're losing and maybe, just maybe, the US will be free from that type of religious oppression in the next few decades.
It's not that religious freedom in the US is endangered, it's that Christian domination in the US is endangered.
Up until about 40 years ago, the predominant religion in the US was Christianity.
Here is the thing, Christianity's Bible, and the US's constitution are fundamentally at odds with one another. Fundamentalists like James Rushdoony (who died in 1913) truly understood, democracy and the Bible were enemies. God set up Kings for Humans to be ruled by, and the US was founded by men seeking to over throw a Christian King in favor of a democracy of men.
Most of the major civil rights conflicts of the USA has been: Democracy, and fair treatment of people, vs. the Bible. if you really think about it.
Our nation was not founded on Christian values, but rather by both secular and religious people alike. While I am a Christian myself, I don't believe our nation should be a theocracy. Some values should be incorporated and some traditions should be preserved, yes, but not so much as to completely block out other faiths and religions on American soil.
The problem is that Christians want to believe that the country was founded on traditional Christian values.
You could show them endless quotes from founding fathers, explain how many values held by the founding fathers contradict values held in the Bible, explain how America was likely the most secular country at the time of its founding, ect. Also, many of the founding fathers had turned away from Christianity altogether and embraced deism. Despite all the evidence, Christian fundamentalists throw all of that away because...
They want a theocracy, but they can't come out and say it.
This is their BS justification.
They want a Christian version of Saudi Arabia or the Taliban-ruled Afghanistan.
Given how badly they want this and how willing they are to rewrite history, the only thing that can be done is to fight them tooth and nail.
christianist believes that 'religious freedom' and christianist ideas dominating society to be the same thing. I object to the study breaking out groups of religions like 'evangelical' because it invalidates the claim that these 1008 respondants are random and over-represents certain groups over others. If you are going to ask 1000 people, then ask 1000 (Americans!) don't go find groups of people and proportion them artificially and construct an outcome. This is why I hate polls and barely pay attention to them- and Obama's reelection somehow stunned the shit out of a lot of ignorant people willingly allowing themselves to be led around by the nose. And to be honest I don't care about what 'evangelicals' think because they are a renegade cult that have turned their backs on God.
So they complain about not having religious freedom, and a second later say they want the country to be a theocracy?
That's what I hate about the religious right, they say outrageous things like that, and it ends up taking away the credibility from intelligent conservatives. Any valid point they might be making gets drowned out by their lack of logical thinking, and it reinforces the stereotype of all conservative Christians being out of touch with reality. This isn't even a matter of being liberal or conservative, Christian or not, it's a matter of having logically consistent principles. I usually don't like to say anything bad about Christians, but in the face of blatant hypocrisy like that, I couldn't help myself.
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Well considering how the Christian Bible has talking animals in it and calls shellfish an abomination in the same part that it says "gays are bad," I'd hardly put any stock in their opinion on the subject...
That is a very small group of people to rely on any sort outlook on how religious folk view their rights. Are there any larger sample sizes, or am I to just rely on around 1000 people and their opinions?
Don't forget that having gays protected under hate crime and discrimination laws and not having graven images of the Ten Commandments on government property somehow infringes on people's freedom to practice Christianity.
Evangelicals are far right retards who view equality as a sin. F them.
""traditional Christian values"" Code word for theocratic domination and oppressive religious agendas.
You can be any religion you want. No one contests that besides the christians. You can practice your religion (provided that it's christian) freely. Your religion is not law, is not the core of society, and is not something you can force down everyone's throats no matter how much christian zealots wnat to think they can.
The United States of America is not a christian nation. It is not tied to mythological biblical roots. The United States is a federal constitutional republic that happens to have christians living in it.
Far right christians want equality only for people they approve of. That's biased. Far right christians want their version of their religion to be the source of morality and social guidance regardless of what you thin about that. They're arrogant. Far right christians will call gay marriage equality an assault on religion and then in the same breathe attack gays, women using contraceptives, and abortion as evil done by people who choose to do evil and that's their religious freedom not religious oppression.
The religion is corrupt and the so called moderates either live in denial or look the other way.
Notice how fundies do not give a damn about real-life, except within the realm of their petty political and economic interests.
To add insult to injury, they do not even bother to study an ongoing real-life theocracy at work: Islamic Republic of Iran. The Iranian theocrats gained power by overthrowing the Shah's oppressive and the decadent regime. However, what have they become? They have turned out to be even more corrupt and oppressive than their predecessor, while relying on brinkmanship to maintain the 'us versus them' atmosphere to stay in power.
Of course, these fundies have a catch-all solution to this critical observation: Our God is the truth, He is different from the rest of the gods and idols.