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January 25, 2013


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Religious Liberty and Public Values

puddelbal Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013
WASHINGTON (RNS) Half of Americans worry that religious freedom in the U.S. is at risk, and many say activist groups -- particularly gays and lesbians -- are trying to remove "traditional Christian values" from the public square.

The findings of a poll published Wednesday (Jan. 23), reveal a "double standard" among a significant portion of evangelicals on the question of religious liberty, said David Kinnaman, president of Barna Group, a California think tank that studies American religion and culture.

While these Christians are particularly concerned that religious freedoms are being eroded in this country, "they also want Judeo-Christians to dominate the culture," said Kinnamon.

"They cannot have it both ways," he said. "This does not mean putting Judeo-Christian values aside, but it will require a renegotiation of those values in the public square as America increasingly becomes a multi-faith nation."

Religious freedom has become an increasingly important political issue within the last year, as Republican candidates hammered President Obama for a contraception mandate that many conservatives feel tramples on the religious freedom of employers who must cover birth control in their health plans.

The poll of 1,008 adults showed that 29 percent of respondents were "very" concerned that religious liberties are under threat, and 22 percent "somewhat" concerned. Evangelicals were the religious group most likely to be concerned, at 71 percent.

Asked for their opinion as to why religious freedom is threatened, 97 percent of evangelicals agreed that "some groups have actively tried to move society away from traditional Christian values."

And 72 percent of evangelicals also agreed that gays and lesbians were the group "most active in trying to remove Christian values from the country." That compares to 31 percent of all adults who held this belief.

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Culturalrider Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2013
I'm sorry, but I can't really care about religious liberty if you don't care about the religious liberty of others.
GalacticGoat Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
tl;dr: Fundies are like a kid with a bag of candy that is asked to share it with the class. He acts like its so unfair when if he doesn't then only he may enjoy candy. Him not sharing is the actual unfair action and yet he does it under the assumption otherwise he is being harmed.

That's the thing about being in a privilege majority: you're so used to being above others you view any semblance of society gaining equality as the same as being oppressed.

Religious freedom is in no way threaten, Christian rule is being threaten and those two are vastly different things. If this brand of Christian actually valued religious freedom then it would also value freedom from religion and therefore wouldn't be against the legality and accessibility of things like birth control and gay marriage.

For the record before someone points out this stupid shit: things like murder and theft are wrong for reasons outside Christian doctrine. Even a sociopath, a person unable to feel empathy, can be convinced with logic that murder and theft are damaging things that would harm them if they committed it. So saying "well if gays can marry because they're free of religion why can't I kill someone?" is just plain asinine and just shows some Christians do not understand the difference between laws and religious based morality.

Actually that's the whole problem with some Christians to begin with: the only reason they don't want gays to marry is because they think the laws and their religion are one in the same and they honestly do live in a theocracy. This is good reason democracy sometimes fails: when your population does not understand its religion is an independent entity from the laws you get people thinking if they let something against their religion fly that their religion freedom is actually being harmed when not letting it fly is actually doing that but just to people of a different religion.

If any organization in the US is harming religious freedom its some sects of Christianity. The only good news is they're losing and maybe, just maybe, the US will be free from that type of religious oppression in the next few decades.
Rhichter Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2013
America has its head up the catholic churches ass, news at 11.
Kalinka-Shadows Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013
It's not that religious freedom in the US is endangered, it's that Christian domination in the US is endangered.

Up until about 40 years ago, the predominant religion in the US was Christianity.

Here is the thing, Christianity's Bible, and the US's constitution are fundamentally at odds with one another. Fundamentalists like James Rushdoony (who died in 1913) truly understood, democracy and the Bible were enemies. God set up Kings for Humans to be ruled by, and the US was founded by men seeking to over throw a Christian King in favor of a democracy of men.

Most of the major civil rights conflicts of the USA has been: Democracy, and fair treatment of people, vs. the Bible. if you really think about it.
Kinoc-Kun Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Our nation was not founded on Christian values, but rather by both secular and religious people alike. While I am a Christian myself, I don't believe our nation should be a theocracy. Some values should be incorporated and some traditions should be preserved, yes, but not so much as to completely block out other faiths and religions on American soil.
Culturalrider Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013
The problem is that Christians want to believe that the country was founded on traditional Christian values.

You could show them endless quotes from founding fathers, explain how many values held by the founding fathers contradict values held in the Bible, explain how America was likely the most secular country at the time of its founding, ect. Also, many of the founding fathers had turned away from Christianity altogether and embraced deism. Despite all the evidence, Christian fundamentalists throw all of that away because...

They want a theocracy, but they can't come out and say it.

This is their BS justification.

They want a Christian version of Saudi Arabia or the Taliban-ruled Afghanistan.

Given how badly they want this and how willing they are to rewrite history, the only thing that can be done is to fight them tooth and nail.
VISIONOFTHEWORLD Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013
puddelbal Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013
No, there's no fighting needed. Just make sure the more radical representatives of the christian right continue to speak publicly - they've been marginalizing themselves quite effectively.
VISIONOFTHEWORLD Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013
christianist believes that 'religious freedom' and christianist ideas dominating society to be the same thing.
I object to the study breaking out groups of religions like 'evangelical' because it invalidates the claim that these 1008 respondants are random and over-represents certain groups over others. If you are going to ask 1000 people, then ask 1000 (Americans!) don't go find groups of people and proportion them artificially and construct an outcome.
This is why I hate polls and barely pay attention to them- and Obama's reelection somehow stunned the shit out of a lot of ignorant people willingly allowing themselves to be led around by the nose. And to be honest I don't care about what 'evangelicals' think because they are a renegade cult that have turned their backs on God.
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