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Separation of Ideology and State

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TBSchemer Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013
Quite a few people on this forum support the separation of Church and State, feeling that religion has no place in defining the role of the State. Yet, these same people have no problem forcing their own ideologies and beliefs of any other nature on others through the mechanism of government.

What's the difference between the different religions and the different political ideologies of our day? Religions are old enough to base their righteousness in the idea of divine right. That's all. In every other way, the different religions are not fundamentally different than the belief systems that lead to our modern political squabbles over the economy, over how people should live their lives. As time goes on and the major political parties take turns wielding the power of the State, we allow these ideologies and ways of life that we do not believe in to be imposed on us simply because they come from the will of 51% of the people. Is this right? Is it right for two neighbors to force the third to live as they do? Would you allow the majority religion of the country to force their beliefs on you?

So I have a simple question to ask: Why not drop the blatant contradictions in your beliefs and favor a total separation of Ideology and State? Stop using taxes and the power of the law to force others to live as you choose to live. Stop trying to force everyone in the country to support your favored programs. For freedom's sake, just leave each other the fuck alone. The violent power of government should not be used for every goal you have in life. All it truly needs to be used for is defense against further imposition of violent power.

How can you favor the Separation of Church and state without also accepting the Separation of Ideology and State, unless your motives are duplicitous and hypocritical?
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mimer Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013
Meanwhile, in the real world...
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no-doves-fly-here Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013
How would you have government without ideology? FOCJ and panarchism would be the closest to such a thing, allowing for everybody to voluntarily participate in their own ideal form of government, but they are both ideologies in and of themselves and the latter isn't necessary a form of government but rather a lack thereof.
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Shidaku Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013
You can't have government without ideology. But that's your goal anyway. Anarcho-capitalism.
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Zer05um Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Professional General Artist
So, if I follow your argument, you should stop voicing your opinion about politics henceforth because it is an ideology? Did you really just resign from these fora?
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no-doves-fly-here Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013
That's not really following his argument because he is not a state official/representative.
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Zer05um Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Professional General Artist
But surely as a radical libertarian he is essentially that?
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no-doves-fly-here Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013
Schemer is not a "radical libertarian". He is not a libertarian at all. He is a paleoconservative.
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Zer05um Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013  Professional General Artist
I now, but he seems to believe he is. It's an astounding lack of introspection.
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JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
"How can you favor the Separation of Church and state without also accepting the Separation of Ideology and State, unless your motives are duplicitous and hypocritical?"
Because people accept god out of blind faith, its disengenious to use this force them into supporting men who are obviously unrelated to god.

People accept ideaology out of reason, and mabey accept or reject them as they see fit, without risking burning in hell.

There is no moral imperative in the lives of the faithful to follow secular ideology, or philosophers.

Thats the point. To prevent the abuse of people, by levering their faith for political gain. Coversly, it protects churches, because it removes the imperative for the political corrupt to join to manipulate people politically.
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TBSchemer Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013
And what about when that faith relates to economic matters rather than existential matters?
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