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Kindergartner suspended for pink bubble gun.

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EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2013
If pink bubble guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have pink bubble guns


MOUNT CARMEL, Pa. (AP) A 5-year-old Pennsylvania girl who told another girl she was going to shoot her with a pink toy gun that blows soapy bubbles has been suspended from kindergarten.

Her family has hired an attorney to fight the punishment, which initially was 10 days but was reduced to two.

Attorney Robin Ficker says Mount Carmel Area School District officials labeled the girl a "terrorist threat" for the bubble gun remark, made Jan. 10 as both girls waited for a school bus.

Ficker says the girl didn't even have the bubble gun with her and has never fired a real gun. He says she's "the least terroristic person in Pennsylvania."
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Pennsylvania went to Obama in the last election, but PA is primarily Republican. The State legislature is 90% Red and the Governor is Red.
So this is not a case of "librulz inna norfeast".

This is a case of stupid over-reactive people going too far too fast without even thinking for a moment about their actions.

If the school has a non-violence policy that's dandy. But when does the age of the 'offender' get taken into account? When does a bubble gun get taken into account?

Suspending 5 year old girls for bubble gun remarks. Aren't all kindergartners supposed to be armed anyway? Isn't that what the NRA wants?

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:icondoctorv23:
DoctorV23 Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013
Another link to the story: [link]
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:iconebolabearvomit:
EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013
"Mom says daughter was told she could go to jail over threat."

That is fucked up.
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Bullet-Magnet Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013
We have no idea what the context of this event is. One of the girls could have been a witch from Oz. Soapy water is highly corrosive to the flesh of Ozite witches. A bubble gun could be considered a lethal weapon.
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EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013
I think you're on to something
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Bullet-Magnet Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013
Well duh. It's brilliant.
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EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013
Copyright it before I do!
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:iconbullet-magnet:
Bullet-Magnet Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013
No need. In order to utilise it effectively you have to be as mad as Bullet-Magnet. Which, luckily, I am.
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EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013
I am envious
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Debit Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Let me see now ......

Renovate Guantanamo to include detention facilities for imagined-to-be minor terrorists? Should a 5-year-old be subject to sleep deprivation? Water-boarding??

America: The Land of Lack of Common Sense. America: The Land of Knee-Jerk Reaction.
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EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013
I can guarantee that there are people in the United States who think water boarding kids is fine.
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Debit Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I bet these same morons will freak out like there is no tomorrow if someone water-boards their dogs and cats. :)
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EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013
Wouldn't surprise me
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AnnaGiladi Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Professional General Artist
What. The hell. A 5-year-old threatening to pretend-kill another kid. Suspended for terror threats. Question: how free are Americans really, if a 5-year-old is labeled a terrorist and punished for dumb kid talk?
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EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013
I'm not sure we're all that free:P
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RockstarVanity Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013   Photographer
As much as I suspect the story was probably something along the lines of what ~scythepuppet suggested, it still seems absolutely crazy to suspend a 5 year old and label her a terrorist threat! A more sensible/sane/not-completely-bloody-ridiculous course of action would maybe have been to talk to the child (or perhaps all the children) and explain why it's not appropriate to joke about shooting people. 
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EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013
Yes. I concur
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TortelliniPen Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013
Ugh, things like this are what fuel the gun nuts beliefs that the government wants to take away everyone's guns.

I can't really put myself on either side, but it's not much different than Alex Jones going on Piers Morgan and doing his best to look like a raving lunatic. It makes people on the other side scared and allows them to minimize their opposition as a bunch of crazies.
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EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013
Gun nuts need no examples to fuel their paranoid suspicions
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Why-did-Kenji-die Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013
"Pennsylvania went to Obama in the last election, but PA is primarily Republican. The State legislature is 90% Red and the Governor is Red.
So this is not a case of "librulz inna norfeast". "
Did you ask the school officials who they voted for? They could be hardcore liberal. I just don't get the point of mentioning that. Also this is BS and that school should be ashamed
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EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013
"Did you ask the school officials who they voted for? They could be hardcore liberal. "

Doubtful. I've lived in the PA boonies, ain't no librulz there.
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priteeboy Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Lol, yes, millions of adults go on a gun-buying spree and people flip out over a kid with a colourful plastic bubble-blower :facepalm:

This isn't entirely a new phenomena though. Even in Australia - well, my school at least, I remember some teachers discouraged us from activities involving any kind of imagined gun violence. On rainy days the outdoor areas were off limits and students would spend their lunch breaks in class and just do whatever they wanted to pass the time (well, not "whatever they want" but I mean there was stuff to play with, draw, read, etc) and most classes had these plastic connector-cubes that kids would frequently make some crude and colourful guns out of and pretend to shoot each other. That was a no-no :no: And this was a small Australian public school in the 90's :p
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EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013
Those kids would be rounded up and hit with tear gas and then beaten with batons in the US now:P
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miletich2 Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
The reason elementary schools are getting so abnormally draconian is because of the pain from the Sandy Hook shooting. That's what I think is pushing school districts into taking such crazy measures. I found suspending the girl uncalled for, but as President Obama said, we can't tolerate this anymore.
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DoctorV23 Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013
Yeah, but if there's any issue at all, it's with the toy manufacturer, not the 5 year-old kid. A pink - bubble blowing - gun. Think about that for a moment. And she was suspended for TALKING about it :/
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EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013
I can almost sorta kinda understand what you're saying and totally disagree with way people have become hypersensitive to guns.:bucktooth:
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JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Good work comrade!

we should clearly show our children at such a young age that violating the political sensibilities of adults who never made it past being 5 years old themselves, is a terrible terrible crime.

I think we should lock her up on a felony charge, that would show her!

good job America.!
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EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013
Send her to that camp with the terrorists
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scythepuppet Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I've had to deal with shit like this, and it's not fun. If a kid comes to you and tells you that another kid threatened to shoot her, well, you have to ask that kid some fucking questions, don't you? That's not the sort of thing you laugh off as "kids will be kids", because I don't know about you, but I hate getting shot at work.

I'm curious as to whether or not the adults involved in the punishment were aware that the gun was a bubble gun, because the news article and every comment in it appear to have been supplied by the girl's family and attorney who certainly don't have a vested interest in misleading us about the circumstances or specificity of the statement. If you think there's no way the teachers didn't know, bullshit. The average five-year-old doesn't have the wherewithal to defend herself with important clarifying facts like "When I said I was going to shoot someone, I meant with a harmless toy."

So yeah, I'd like to see some contrition from the school here, but at the same time, recognize how there's at very least a chance that they thought they were dealing with a very serious problem, and not overreacting to an otherwise harmless statement.
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EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013
The girl didn't have the bubble gun with her, she only mentioned using it.
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scythepuppet Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Did she mention using it? Or did she just say "I'm going to shoot you?" Bear in mind that that most of the articles about this seem to quote the girl's lawyer on the salient details, since the district apparently can't discuss it. Boy, I wonder how reliable his statements to the media are.

So here's how I've reconstructed what happened (I am guessing). She says she's going to shoot her classmate. Her classmate mentions it, reports it, or a teacher just overhears while it's being shared elsewhere. Five-year-olds are not the best paraphrasers, so whatever she actually said, I'm guessing the only detail that was communicated with any clarity was "I'm going to shoot you".

Now, this obviously requires some follow up, because "I'm going to shoot you" is not an okay thing to say, and because it is sadly not outside the realm of possibility that a five-year-old brings a gun to school.

During the follow-up, I doubt very, very much that this five-year-old (now realizing that she's in trouble) is going to capably explain the situation to her teachers. No, odds are she's just going to cry while they try to figure out what the fuck is going on. I don't know what their policy is, but for a situation like this, odds are the school at very least tried to communicate with the parents.

Finally, her parents are filled in. Now, unlike her teachers, her parents know that she has a pink bubble gun, and probably ask her the excellent leading question "Did you mean the pink bubble gun", followed by tearful nodding. Of course that's what she meant, but as I mentioned, there's a decent chance that she never actually communicated this to her teachers.

Exhale noise. So, long story short: the district should probably admit that they done fucked up, relax the punishment, dismiss it from her permanent record. Although what actual effect it would have on her permanent record, for a five-year-old... probably nothing. It's not like she just lost her chance to go to Harvard.

Now, that's my optimistic opinion of what happened. I realize that it's entirely possible that this is a district of fuckwits and bureaucrats, but maybe next time you turn a skeptical eye on the article with eleventy-thousand quotes from an irate family lawyer and one "no comment" from a district rep.
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EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013
Does the 5 year old get finger printed?

Are all her Crayola art pieces examined for possible links to
Mideast extremists?

Can the lawyer secure extra snacks and longer recesses?

How much of the girl's 'confession' was coaxed?
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scythepuppet Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
All in all, my point is this: odds are the teachers didn't know she was talking about a pink bubble gun and were reacting to what--as far as they could tell--was one child threatening to commit murder suicide.
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EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013
Hahahahaha! 5 year olds do that a lot:P
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scythepuppet Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Believe it or not, five year olds threaten each other with stunning regularity, kids have been known to bring guns to school--yes, even very young children--and less than a month after the most violent public school massacre in American history it pays to at very least respect that it is a possibility.

Did the school district overreact? Probably, but they probably also have an extremely strict policy about this that makes sense for most of their student body.
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EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013
Kids say a lot of things and do not know the gravity of what they say.
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DAPoliticalForum Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Professional General Artist
Yikes!
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EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013
I bet some huge dude was threatening to rip apart her dolls or something if she didn't confess
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bohobella Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
It might be because I was only finishing elementary school around the time of the Columbine massacre, or that I now attend a school that had a shooting recently, but I've never thought it 'scandalous' that school buildings of all levels maintain a no guns, real or toy, rule. This case is obviously extreme. As is any case labeling a kindergarten girl a "terrorist threat", which luckily I've never seen in my country.

But I get being strict about it, because there are toy guns that look a hell of a lot more real. Fuck, I remember watching a video a while back of cops who couldn't identify a large number of the fakes from the real guns. This is purely a ridiculous exaggeration of the precaution. Although, and this is another matter all together, it baffles me why the parents are suing.
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Crotale Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013
Lawsuits are not always about monetary issues. In this case, the issue is one of rational versus irrational school policy and overreaction to a harmless comment made by a small child. The punishment in no way, shape or form fits the crime, for the little girl harmed nobody.

I would expect such a lawsuit to have this incident exspunged from the student's records, all participating staff and faculty given ten days suspension without pay. The school district should be forced to conduct a review of all applicable policy and how best to enforce policies set forth by the school district.

And then there is the issue of the formal psychiatric evaluation conducted by a school counselor without the parents' knowledge or consent.
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bohobella Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
The way I see it, their child is getting irreversibly damaged by taking this to such an extreme level. I know my parents would just let it blow over because I am five in this scenario, and they would want me to forget about it as much as possible. Hell, when I was five a major ice storm left most of my friends in shelters and us stranded at my grandparents for warmth for two weeks and I remember about one day of the entire ordeal and remember it fondly as a fun day with the grandparents -- one could easily make suspension a breeze for a five year old who has no idea what's going on.

But now, she's in the news. And they're going to court. And this is going to follow her way longer than whatever was written in a permanent record in kindergarten would have.
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TBSchemer Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013
Ever notice that mass shootings always seem to happen in places with "no guns" rules?
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bohobella Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Who says I support no guns? :|
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EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013
The girl did not have the toy with her. She only mentioned using it.
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bohobella Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Like, not at school at all?

It's still a little concerning that she's then just saying she's going to shoot kids without the ridiculous hot pink toy to prove it's innocent. When I was in high school a girl published a hit list online of all the people in school she wanted to shoot and it caused quite the hysteria.
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EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013
Yeah, she had no items on her, she only mentioned using an item that she owned at home. At least according to the two articles I read.
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bohobella Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
While it really freaks me out that a kid would say she's going to shoot her friend, especially in the wake of her country's recent elementary school tragedy, that's bull. But like I said, even had she had this neon pink gun on her, this is an insane and horrible exaggeration of a rule I would normally support.
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EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013
I think she should be in ankle chains next time she's in class:P
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VISIONOFTHEWORLD Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2013
Oh noes, two days suspension from school. Nannystaters gone wild!!!! :headbang:
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DoctorV23 Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013
The point is more that she was punished without any rational cause.
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VISIONOFTHEWORLD Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013
Pointing a gun at someone is a rational cause these days. Just as rational as boys being suspended for wearing baggy jeans (I worked in a school once, it happens)
I think this is a case of the media searching for a story like this to try and whip up controversy. It's TWO DAYS. Everyone can get over it. I'm not falling for the media hype.
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