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for all the Republican talk about lowering taxes and smaller government....

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JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
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"JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (AP) - A Republican lawmaker from rural Missouri is calling for a sales tax on violent video games in response to a deadly Connecticut school shooting.

Rep. Diane Franklin, of Camdenton, said Tuesday that the 1 percent sales tax would finance mental health programs and law enforcement measures to curb mass shootings.

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Here is a republican talking openly, with no regrets about raising taxes and spending money on government services.



Last month, a republican policy writer who suggested copyright reform to ease government restrictions on regulating ideas got axed.

Now a republican openly talks about raising taxes, government services, and the ever present getting government into your life.

Does this mean Rep. Diane Franklin is a "socialist"?
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TortelliniPen Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013
I don't really get it...

"Mom, can you buy me Grand Theft Halo: Modern Warfare 2: Electric Boogaloo (Rated M for Money)?"

"Okay!"

**cue school shooting**

"Oh no! The videogame companies are corrupting our kids! We should ban M-rated games!"
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JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
if anything there is an inverse relation between violent crimes and video game playing.

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as you notice overall, the violent crime rate peaked in the US in 1992. In 1993, DOOM, the iconic first person shooter to put the genre on the map is released, and made the FPS a genre of us own, and probably the first shooting game to gain mass appeal.
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Since then, violent video games have only gone on the rise. Except for intentionally attaching the image of video games to sensational, but rare, crimes. violent crime in GENERAL has gone down dramatical in the time frame, since DOOM, and its successors have become more and more popular, and more and more mainstream with a wider audience.
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TortelliniPen Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
I'm not saying that violent video games lead to school shootings, just that parents and moral guardians constantly villianize the games and the game companies when it's the parents that are buying kids these games.

If anything, I think that we play these games because we aren't like the people we play as. We do "awesome" things that would have horrible repercussions in the real world. It's wish fulfillment. I do think that this fosters a harmful attitude about guns, but again, this is because the parents are buying these games for their kids when they're supposed to only be played by adults.
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Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Basically.

Though I can add on:

"Mommy! That mean cashier wouldn't sell me my game!"

"How dare you not sell the game to my son?!"

"Ma'am, the game is rated Mature, and store policy prohibits us from selling to anyone who can't prove they're over 17."

"What kind of dumb rule is that! Video games are for kids anyway!"

"Not all games are, ma'am. That game, for instance, is very violent and has lots of blood and gore in it."

"MOMMY I WANT THE GAME ALL THE COOL KIDS ARE PLAYING IT WAAAAAAAAAH"

"Ugh! I don't care! I just want it! Ring it up for me."

*I look over and see there's also a growing line of five very fidgety people behind her*

"Sigh. Fine..."
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scythepuppet Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Tax video games, not guns!
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JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
or better yet, we can stop taxing things we don't like as a way of regulating them, and we can respect our constitutionally guarunteed rights. All of them.

Be it right to bear arms, Freedom of speech, religeon, or the Right to life liberty and pursuit of hapiness.

we can also stop flipping out every tragedy, and simply afirm sometimes somethings are unavoidable, and our neighbours our not out to get us, and we can h
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scythepuppet Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
"Sometimes things like shooting sprees are unavoidable, and our neighbors aren't out to get us."
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tehbigd Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013
Republicans aren't exactly anti-tax, they're anti-progressive taxes. They support any number of property and sales taxes, but the second someone says, "Hey, maybe we should implement taxes in a way that doesn't end up with people at the bottom paying a much bigger chunk of their cash on taxes" is the second they throw a fit.
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KittyTheNekoAlien Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Why is our government full of idiots ;_;
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JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
because if their corporate, union, and special intrest string pullers let smart people run things, or even smart or honest people work for them, they might start questioning authority, or getting their own ideas.

Hence why school is not there to teach you beyond the rudimentary things like reading, writing, and basic math, but to install discipline and obedience.

In our new technical age, our technically incompetant rulers, grapple with how to train us on technology needed to run their machines, while keeping us stupid, and obediant enough to be loyal.

Why do you think they are so affraid of hackers? Why has the press done as much as possible to go after computer hackers?
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KittyTheNekoAlien Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Makes sense :<
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ZaGstrike Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013
Tetris taught me that everyone has a place to fit in and complete the sequence, but if too many don't fit in then they'll just pile atop one another and bring everything to ruin.

That's right... TETRIS IS COMMUNISTIC PROPAGANDA!! IT WAS EVEN MADE IN RUSSIA!!1!!!1!

OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!!!!
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Unvalanced Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
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TBSchemer Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013
Tetris is a great metaphor for the impossibility of any central power effectively micromanaging any growing economy forever. No matter how much of a block-turning expert you are, eventually, they'll be crashing down too fast to properly organize, and the whole system will become a jumbled mess. Hence, the need to give those blocks autonomy.
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JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
"That's right... TETRIS IS COMMUNISTIC PROPAGANDA!! IT WAS EVEN MADE IN RUSSIA!!1!!!1!"

your right. Lets warn the entire world, mabey set up a facebook page, buy a few politicians. I'm kinda broke right now so we'd have to settle for represenatives instead of senators.
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EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013
KickStarter:P
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witwitch Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Student Writer
IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW. :nuu:
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kitsumekat Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013
Why is it that whenever someone scapegoats a game, they fail to realize it's the parents and older adults who buy these games? I mean seriously, most shops will not sell to kids out of fear of getting shut down. If someone did the same thing with guns and ammo, there would be hell.
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JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
they do ever worse with guns and ammo, and there are laws. Instead of being shut down, these people can land 10 years plus in prison.

18 to buy rifle rounds

21 to buy pistol rounds.

So aren't you scape goating guns, like the gun nuts are scape goating video games. Its not cool when you do it either.
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kitsumekat Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013
Huh?
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JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
there are rules on buying guns and ammo.
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kitsumekat Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
There's not really rules or enforcements.
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TBSchemer Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013
Ender killed people by playing video games. :O

But seriously, that bitch don't belong.
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TortelliniPen Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013
His brother also took over the world by posting on politics forums.

Just sayin'...
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Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I wish that was really possible.
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TortelliniPen Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
It's pretty funny how Orson Scott Card predicted things like online forums, trolls, sockpuppets and the blogosphere, but severely overestimated their importance.
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Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
He is a nerd at heart (if kind of an asshole one), so it doesn't surprise me too much that he thought nerds would have more clout than they actually do.
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TortelliniPen Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
Which other Ender books are worth reading? I've heard good things about Speaker for the Dead, but after a certain point it all supposedly goes to crap.
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Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I liked "Xenocide" as well... but yeah, after that it kind of goes to crap. "Children of the Mind" isn't bad, but you can see it veering off the rails, and the various prequel series cheerfully go off-roading with the train. I think right around the same time he became Anti-Gay Mormon Crusader From Hell the guy basically suffered a full-scale Creator Breakdown he never recovered from.

I'd say Card's heyday was the first three "Ender's Game" books, "Hart's Hope", "Alvin Maker" isn't too bad, and his short stories (pick up the "Maps in a Mirror" collection). "Songmaster" is good but really makes you think the guy has closet pedophilia issues (as does a few of his short stories, really). And "How to Write Science Fiction and Fantasy" is a must-read even if you only want to read the genres.

The short story "Feed the Baby of Love" (based on Bradbury's "Dandelion Wine") is also good if you can find it. (In fact, it's what got me into Card's stuff in the first place.)
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TBSchemer Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
The internet is serious business.
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JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
wow, the one sane conservative left at the end of the day is TBSchemer.
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Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Know what? I am totally going to do this. Here's all the games I own that are rated T or M:

Beneath a Steel Sky
Blade Runner
Full Throttle
Gabriel Knight (all of them)
Grim Fandango
I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream (doesn't have an official rating, but it'd be at least T if not M)
The Longest Journey
Escape From Monkey Island
Police Quest (all of them)
Sanitarium
The Space Bar
Space Quest 5
Syberia
Tex Murphy (all of them)
Tender Loving Care
Anachronox
Fallout 1 & 2
Jagged Alliance 1 & 2
Planescape Torment
Wing Commander (all of them)
Carmageddon
Arcanum
Baldur's Gate
Zork: Grand Inquisitor
The Last Express

Is anyone reading this doubled over with laughter, yet? OMG PLAYING MONKEY ISLAND 4 AND ZORK IS GONNA MAKE ME SHOOT PEOPLE UP YOU GUYZ!

Off this list, only Fallout, Carmageddon, and Jagged Alliance could be said to be the sort of violence that could be what these guys are worried about. If you squint really hard.
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JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
I was seriously hoping that connecticut group was going to continue with their buyback of violent video games.

I think they shut it down because everyone who has ever trolled anything ever, has looked at it and saw COMEDY GOLD written all over it.

Connecticut was close enough for me to buy used copies of Super Mario Brothers, Pacman, and some old ver Madden football and try to return them.

Because at the end of the day

After years of playing mario bros

I've gone on a wild drug binge eating magic mushrooms, smoking opiate flowers, and popping star shaped acid tabs, jumping into brick walls, while furiorsly trying to stomp on mushrooms I hallucinate as animated objects, turtles, all the way through sewer systems looking for japaneese kappa to beat up for stealing my girlfriend.


After years of playing pacman-

I've been reduced to popping pills that I think give me special powers because everyone else starts flashing unnaturual colors, before eating them.

After years of playing madden football cames, I came to believe putting on body armor and tackling people is naturaul, and I've been doing it at shopping malls.
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Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
:lol: to your whole post.

I could swear there was a Cracked article along this theme. Or maybe on Something Awful.

I've played some damn strange games in my day (I love specifically seeking out weird games), so my own list would be rather trippy.
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JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
it would be cracked, something awful, 4chan/the chans, malicious reddit splinter groups, 9gag, , the trolls would be lining up down the block.

Anonymous would have "dox" before day 1 was done.
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tehbigd Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013
You like adventure games? Why not Sam and Max? Or try an infocom. Zork and The Hitch-hiker's Guide are great.
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Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I own Sam & Max Hit the Road, but the original is likely rated E since the new Telltale one is, which is why I didn't mention it here specifically.

And I've played some Infocom games back in the day. My fave is still A Mind Forever Voyaging. (Written by the same dude who wrote The Space Bar, actually.) I don't actually own any of them, though, as it's pricey to get a (legal) hold of them.
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tehbigd Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013
By now most of the companies that own the properties are gone, and they're considered abandonware. If not for places like GOG, many of them would disappear.
Zork, if you're interested, allowed for non-commercial distribution of their FORTRAN port (meaning, if you don't pay for it, you're probably okay). And the BBC offers a free, illustrated version of the Guide. When it comes to a lot of infocom games, the owners, if they still exist, will give them out for free, just out of the sheer joy of someone still playing them.

Try out Steam, they've got a good selection of adventure games, and their HD version of Monkey Island is damn pretty.
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Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Not into Steam; I hate DRM. I mainly stick with GOG.com. They've had a lot of great indie adventures lately in addition to the classics.

And, I actually do obtain some abandonware at times... but I can't say I actually own it, so it doesn't factor into discussions like these.
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SahidenEthare Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013   Writer
Jagged Alliance is great. There's actually still an active modding community for Jagged Alliance 2, but it shows they've got some serious gun fans mixed in there.
Still, if all it took to gain skills was to play games, I'd be an expert marksman by now. :lol:
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Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
You're the second person to pick out Jagged Alliance. :lol: It really is a great set of games. I originally picked it up because in the Space Quest community there was one fan who also loved to pimp JA2 all over the place, and most of us were like, "All right! We'll play it! Geez!" (Helps that one of the writers for JA2 was the person who wrote Space Quest 6. Anyhoo.)

I especially love the combat system. It's basically a perfected version of the original Fallout's system, which was already pretty awesome. I wish there were some more squad games that used it.

Yeah, at some point I really need to try the unofficial 1.13 patch for JA2 when I'm feeling brave. (I hear it really ramps up the difficulty.)

And, :lol: Tell me about it. Games do teach some skills, but nothing you could translate into gunning people down.
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SahidenEthare Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013   Writer
I picked it out because I'm currently playing through it one more time. (JA2 1.13 + AIMNAS) :)

I especially love the combat system. It's basically a perfected version of the original Fallout's system, which was already pretty awesome. I wish there were some more squad games that used it.

Yeah, unfortunately, the remake of Jagged Alliance didn't. :(

Yeah, at some point I really need to try the unofficial 1.13 patch for JA2 when I'm feeling brave. (I hear it really ramps up the difficulty.)

It does ramp the difficulty up quite a bit, and adds a new difficulty called INSANE to the game where the opponents get infinite reinforcements. (So they'll never stop attacking you, and a lot of their guys are converted to elites)
However, 1.13 also gives you access to some great new weapons to even out the odds. It's quite overwhelming at the start of the game, but once you get yourself a decent kit of assault rifles (Especially the Steyr Aug A3), it's quite alright.
Hence, in my new playthrough I added AIMNAS, which adds even more weapons and a basic overheating system atm. On top of that, I edited the core game files quite a bit myself to up the difficulty even further.

I now have an army of well-equipped mercs (complete with P90's, A3's, anti-tank sniper rifles, and an RPG-16 rocket launcher), but if the enemy brings in the snipers, mortars, and rocket launchers, all I can do is pray for the best and hope I did save right before the battle.
It's awesome in every way though.

And, :lol: Tell me about it. Games do teach some skills, but nothing you could translate into gunning people down.

Hand-eye coordination springs to mind. But there's a huge difference between pushing a button and firing a real gun. Just like playing flying sims don't make you a pilot.
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ZaGstrike Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013
Police Quest sounds badass!
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tehbigd Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013
If you don't kick the tires before leaving the parking lot, your car will get a flat and you die. Apart from that, it's a classic Sierra Adventure game; but it plays like a mix between an infocom game and an adventure game.
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Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
*follow regs to the letter, even.
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Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
You would think... except that it's kind of not. It was created by Jim Walls as a sort of realistic simulator of how to be a real police officer, so there's a lot of following the rules and not a whole lot of having fun gunning people down. (Seriously, you have to follow regs to the latter including things like inspecting your car, running traffic patrols, and following all the procedures of what to do before arresting or shooting at a suspect, the works.)

But PQ2 and 3 are still interesting for all that. (PQ1 VGA is... OK-ish.) And PQ1 VGA and PQ3 have great kind of techno-y soundtracks by Jan Hammer. Yes, that's right, the Miami Vice composer dude.
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ZaGstrike Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013
Ah, in my mind i had imagined a setting much more epic, though a simulator on how to be a police officer still sounds pretty awesome to me. I've always had an obsession for that sort of stuff, indeed the only racing game i own is Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit, which i got purely because the idea of playing as a police version of a Lambo was just too brain-humpingly amazing for me to pass up.

Those games sound awesome though, i'll definitely try to find some way to give those a try.
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Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I find them interesting myself... was just saying anyone expecting a badass shoot-em-up is going to be disappointed. (They're adventure games, for starters...)

They is on GOG.com. Actually, I think most of the games on my list are on GOG.com. International site, too, so no worries there.
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theGman0 Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Hobbyist
Jagged Alliance ftw
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Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Oh, also. Elliot. I love Elliot. ELLIOT, YOU IDIOT!
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