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Would the world be a better place if the United States collapsed

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bblotus Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
Like the Soviet Union did during the cold war?

My vote is - I was disappointed when they decided not to ment the 1 trillion dollar coin. Was hoping to see a collapse before my birthday. The United States is the only "Empire" of modern day. Our creating/starting a war every 5 years, usually with countries that don't even have a military, just a population that can be bombed indiscriminately while our contractors move into to "rebuild" it.

"Homeland Defense", "War On Drugs" that has completely wiped out Mexico's government due to the staggering power of drug lords, the NSA, "Fusion Centers", and that database located in (Arizona is it?) the size of a small city meant to record every phone call conversation, text message, and bit of data from the world wide web.

It has really has become scary.

My opinion is obvious but is there anyone here that can defend the United States as being "one of the good guys" - is it even possible to pretend anymore?

Imagine if China tried even half the shit that we do. It would be World War 3 already.
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angelxxuan Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2013  Student General Artist
if America fell today, I could only imagine the shock and chaos that would bring about. all the money, all the land, everything would be total horror. when the mighty countries of old fell look what happened, chaos and they were swallowed up in other countries and then their people because that people. this will also happen to America, auctioned off perhaps? sold for what was own? what of the people? what of the true natives who are full blooded and have always been here? they would probably be sucked back into another culture, will they be allowed to remain? will the American people become slaves? so many questions which could arise if this actually happened today or any day. it would be a horrible event which could bring about even more chaos. countries fighting over the remains of America, it's scary if one really sits down to think about it. history alone shows what happens when a mighty empire falls, this would probably not be any different.
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meanus Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2013
you seem to be a tea party guy, all the shit you listed was done by our failed government
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JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
No. Russia, China, and mabey Brazil or India will make a mad dash for the overseas patronage for the influence the US left behind.

This will cause a war.

" The United States is the only "Empire" of modern day. Our creating/starting a war every 5 years,"
You don't pay attention to global politics then.

"usually with countries that don't even have a military"
Iraq, and the taliban both had a military.

Or mabey not Brazil or India, initially, but they might get involved later on.
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Culturalrider Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2013
I know the US has caused some major problems, but the world would not be better off if the US collapsed given how much of a market that the USA represents. I think a better scenario would be one where the US gradually declines while other nations rise up and a level of equilibrium is established throughout most of the world.
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seth2012chaos Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I doubt it
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theGman0 Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Hobbyist
No.
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Zazill Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
There is no chance the US will collapse, however it's just a matter of time until another enemy of the US decide that they have had enough, and retaliate, whether America has stealth jets, aircraft carriers or nuclear warheads.
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meanus Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2013
yeah so far weve never been attacked...remember 911 was a hoax, so was Pear Harbor
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Princess-Amy Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
As things stand in the world, the world probably wouldn't be a better place with the fall of the US, it would certainlly be different and more interesting. 
Brazil and china would rise as new superpowers to fill the vacuum, human rights as we know them in the west would start to erode and eventually we'd all end up with about the same level of rights they have in china, or we'd have large scale wars ravaging the world again as a new equilibrium tries to establish itself.
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iroNoNiji Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't think Brasil or China would rise as new superpowers quite yet. While they definitely are powerful economically, they don't have broad international support, and they don't have the naval power to rival the existing blue-waters. In time however, I'd bet on Brasil, if only because of a more progressive Government and a head-start.
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Novuso Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
I am rooting for a restoration of the Constitutional Republic rather than a full on collapse. A restoration would require the repeal of NDAA and patriot acts and Obama and half of congress being charged with treason. This would be a lot cleaner than going through a post USSR break up.

On a side note the printing of a 1 trillion dollar coin would not have caused a collapse. In fact it would have done the opposite by bringing badly needed debt relief. Any form of constitutional restoration would have to also have to include debt forgiveness.

Unfortunately America has elected the way of pain when it comes to dealing with this reality.
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SpaniardWithKnives Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Everybody to learn Chinese! :iconevilgrinplz:
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TheRedSnifit Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
I agree completely. There's nothing better for the world than global depression and China becoming the predominant superpower.
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bblotus Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
We've already paved the way for that to happen simply by abandoning our anti-slave and child labor laws and becoming a "service based" nation so that they receive all of our jobs and wealth.
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BeeSull Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013
Oh... Where to start with this?

The United States isn't perfect, but it's not as bad as you haters think it is either. Yes we had a terrible recession after the housing market collapsed and because of too much war spending, but we're probably going to come out of it okay in the end. China on the other hand is facing a similar situation, or maybe even a worse situation, with their housing market which has not quite hit yet. All of us American's sit over here and go, "WOW they have 10% GDP growth again this year!". Do you know why? Because they set their GDP goal and MAKE it happen. Do you know how they make it happen? They build new luxury houses, malls, and roads. Then they count them as part of the GDP regardless of the fact that there are tons upon tons of whole huge new empty malls, apartment buildings, theme parks, and homes with no people in them (because most people can't afford them)! That's how they inflate their GDP and make their goal (which by the way they are having a hard time keeping up with and these days probably won't meet), but it gets worse!

In China, they have a huge problem with government corruption and pollution! So even if you can afford to live in one of those luxury homes, because you're one of the lucky ones, you'll still be surrounded by toxic chemicals and illegal dumps!

And don't kid yourself- China would love to get away with half of the things that the United States does. Maybe worse. Ever hear of the Sengoku Islands surrounding Japan? Well China is in a dispute right now with Japan, because they think that they have the rights to them. They've been sending ships into the area, buzzing Japan's airspace, and Chinese citizens went on a riot a few moths back and attacked Japanese businesses in China because of them.

Now, all this is not to say that China isn't wealthy, powerful, or to try to say that it is a terrible country. China is just another large, powerful, country like any other in my book. It's just to give you a little perspective on what happens outside of the United States. We're not the only country that faces problems with our economy, corruption, or does unethical things. Oh, and don't even get me started on what will happen to their healthcare system when the one child policy makes it so that the population switches from being mostly young to almost entirely old!

The whole world has problems, I hope that we can figure them out. :shrug:

Oh BTW links if you're interested:

China's Ghost Cities: [link]
China's Pollution Problem: [link]
China and The Sengoku Islands Dispute: [link]

Or just watch some news that isn't based in the US.
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IncandescentInsanity Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Student General Artist
Only one way to find out
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anamusingalias Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
I want you to take some time, open another tab and go look at the issues faced by Greece and its economic woes and how much of an issue it's been for the surrounding region as well as the rest of the world. Did you go and do that? Splendid. It's important. Now, I want you to realize that Greece is not even in the top 25 largest economies in the world.

By contrast, The United States has the world's largest national economy and the world's second largest economy, only just surpassed by the European Union. It produces 25% of all global GDP and holds 20% of global Purchasing Power Parity, the largest in the entire world. It's the third-largest producer of oil on the planet and the second-largest of natural gas. It represents a fifth of all global manufacturing output. 60% of all global currency reserves is invested in the dollar.

With all of that mind, would the world be a better place if it collapsed? I'm leaning towards no.

All that being said, your post is dumb and misinformed. Stop being dumb, please.
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bblotus Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
I'm aware of what happened to Greece. They suffered because of our corruption and allowing the wealthy banks to control our Government as they please.

Unfortunately economic collapses and depressions are built into the very fabric of our "Free Market" economy. It is supposed to happen - repeatedly, and often. What's interesting
is how these "bubbles" have greatly accelerated from once ever 40-50's years to once every 10 years to finally... it seems to be every 5 or less.
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anamusingalias Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
No, you are apparently not very aware as it has little to do with the United States government or any banks, outside of Goldman Sachs being complicit in tax evasion. Greece's issues stem from excessive government spending, a massive budget deficit and an unsustainable debt-to-GDP ratio that's been increasing for the last 30 years. Not to mention a lack of statistical credibility which allowed the problem to last so long without being noticed in the first place. They brought that situation down on themselves.

No, the system itself does not inherently fail and considering how it's been happening globally for centuries, I'd say it's just part of general economic growth. The reasons for economic downturns are many and varied. Whether it be overconfidence by both consumers and investors in a particular market ([link] [link]), speculation markets ([link]), currency issues brought on by war ([link]), over-expansion ([link]), fraudulent financial practices ([link]), and even railroad executives ([link]). Your figure for how often economic bubbles occur is so wrong, it's almost physically painful to read.
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Trade across what was the former US states would be a total nightmare. I think that's something we take for granted right now.
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AnnaGiladi Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Not collapse, they're fine to exist, just take their hand out of other countries' asses and stop policing the world.
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Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Well said. I would not want a country like China (or anyone else, for that matter) looming over us and keeping troops here...
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Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I don't know about collapse, but I do think things would be a lot better if the rest of the world started giving us the middle finger more often.

If everyone stopped doing business with us whenever we started being shitty, our companies would be on the phone tomorrow begging the government to stop pissing everyone else off.
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sonrouge Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
Depends on who you ask. There are a lot of third-world shitholes who rely on "foreign aid" from the US to stay above the water, so I bet they'd have a tough time if that aid was no longer available.
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empiredice Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
Already living in a state that is as close to totalitarian theocracy as they can get away with and not being a member of the religion in charge, this absolutely terrifies me. There will be nothing to check them if the US collapses. Socially the result would be little different than living in Saudi Arabia. That's not even starting on the economic effects, globally and domestically.

I'm not saying I'm happy with the state of things, I'm not at all, but thinking a collapse is the best solution is short-sighted at best.
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Ragerancher Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
Texas by any chance?
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tacosteev Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Hobbyist
I'm thinking one of the southern states like Alabama or Mississippi.
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no-doves-fly-here Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
Alabama, in my experience, is fucking holy hell.
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tacosteev Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Hobbyist
Can't forget Missouri. It's not referred to as misery for nothing.
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no-doves-fly-here Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013
To my understanding the entire state of Missouri is essentially an extended version of Meth Mountain, Alabama.
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EbolaBears Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
The Arabians do not have nukes or aircraft carriers, the theocratic assholes would.
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Juliabohemian Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
I don’t know that it would be a better place. But it seems inevitable. Especially if you examine the parallels between us and the Roman Empire.
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EbolaBears Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
The Romans didn't have guns, chemical weapons, or nukes.
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tacosteev Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Hobbyist
They had lead water pipes :lol:
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EbolaBears Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
Yes they did.
I remember seeing those lead lined water tunnels they had. Good job!:thumbsup:
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EnuoCale Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Or a global economy to suck dry in order to sustain themselves.
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EbolaBears Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
Well they did have their region of the world tied into their economy with trade and all.
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Juliabohemian Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
Oh. You’re right. Well never mind. We had nothing in common then. :iconfacepalmplz:
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EbolaBears Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
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0rg Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
You're good at missing points.
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Juliabohemian Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
Not even close to true. But thank you for playing.
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bblotus Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
"You're good at missing points." A Freudian slip at it's finest. But what can you do.
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EbolaBears Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
"Our creating/starting a war every 5 years, usually with countries that don't even have a military"

Please name the countries that were "invaded" who had no military.
Also, please show us a list of the "invasions" the United States has conducted every five years for the last 30 years. I'm very interested in seeing that list.

Then, after you get done with that I would like to see a list of nations that "have no military".


""Homeland Defense", "War On Drugs" that has completely wiped out Mexico's government"

That's so stupid and overflowing with bullshit no amount of snaking will clear that drain.
Please illustrate how American policy has made Mexican politicians corrupt. Also include
valid links to supporting information.

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bblotus Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
Uh oh. I pissed off the pedobear. Okay here I go.

[link]. I count at least 8 "military operations" since 1944. "Not having a military was a reference with the "War On Terror" which resulted in over 100,000+ "casualties" of innocent men, women, and children that had nothing to do with "terrorism". I consider those civilians to of "not had a military." Another 30,000 were discovered via wikileaks that the US military tried to keep a secret.

"That's so stupid and overflowing with bullshit no amount of snaking will clear that drain."

Aka - you have no rebuttal. Google "War On Drugs Effects On Mexico" and feel free to read any article on the top 10 pages. They cover the subject in-depth.



I'm not your personal researcher nor do you pay me by the higher. But I believe I've presented far more information on point than you have refuting it.
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EbolaBears Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
"8 "military operations" since 1944"

2013 - 1944 /8 = 5 :rofl:
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cake-fiend Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
"Not having a military was a reference with the "War On Terror" which resulted in over 100,000+ "casualties" of innocent men, women, and children that had nothing to do with "terrorism". I consider those civilians to of "not had a military."

This is what is called "backpedaling".
You clearly stated that the countries had no military. Maybe you should look up what a country is.
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bblotus Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
It would be more accurate for me to say, "Countries who's militaries are obsolete and in no way a threat to our own." Kind of like launching hundreds of thousands of bombs on villages just to hopefully pick off a couple of guys with AK47's and rocket launchers that are decades old. Or maybe if we invade the African Continent they can throw spears at our tanks. Like in the Civilization games!

It should of been obvious what I meant from the context. Also obvious I know what a country is.

This is nothing more than a veiled personal attack, and you nitpicking at one small point at the exclusion of all my main points because you have no rebuttals.
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TheRedSnifit Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
I'm curious, which countries did we attack that had militaries armed primarily with spears?
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bblotus Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
It was a joke. I even referenced a video game in the same sentence.
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TheRedSnifit Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2013
You clearly intended for it to mean something.
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