angelxxuanFeatured By OwnerJan 19, 2013Student General Artist
if America fell today, I could only imagine the shock and chaos that would bring about. all the money, all the land, everything would be total horror. when the mighty countries of old fell look what happened, chaos and they were swallowed up in other countries and then their people because that people. this will also happen to America, auctioned off perhaps? sold for what was own? what of the people? what of the true natives who are full blooded and have always been here? they would probably be sucked back into another culture, will they be allowed to remain? will the American people become slaves? so many questions which could arise if this actually happened today or any day. it would be a horrible event which could bring about even more chaos. countries fighting over the remains of America, it's scary if one really sits down to think about it. history alone shows what happens when a mighty empire falls, this would probably not be any different.
I know the US has caused some major problems, but the world would not be better off if the US collapsed given how much of a market that the USA represents. I think a better scenario would be one where the US gradually declines while other nations rise up and a level of equilibrium is established throughout most of the world.
There is no chance the US will collapse, however it's just a matter of time until another enemy of the US decide that they have had enough, and retaliate, whether America has stealth jets, aircraft carriers or nuclear warheads.
As things stand in the world, the world probably wouldn't be a better place with the fall of the US, it would certainlly be different and more interesting. Brazil and china would rise as new superpowers to fill the vacuum, human rights as we know them in the west would start to erode and eventually we'd all end up with about the same level of rights they have in china, or we'd have large scale wars ravaging the world again as a new equilibrium tries to establish itself.
I don't think Brasil or China would rise as new superpowers quite yet. While they definitely are powerful economically, they don't have broad international support, and they don't have the naval power to rival the existing blue-waters. In time however, I'd bet on Brasil, if only because of a more progressive Government and a head-start.
I am rooting for a restoration of the Constitutional Republic rather than a full on collapse. A restoration would require the repeal of NDAA and patriot acts and Obama and half of congress being charged with treason. This would be a lot cleaner than going through a post USSR break up.
On a side note the printing of a 1 trillion dollar coin would not have caused a collapse. In fact it would have done the opposite by bringing badly needed debt relief. Any form of constitutional restoration would have to also have to include debt forgiveness.
Unfortunately America has elected the way of pain when it comes to dealing with this reality.
The United States isn't perfect, but it's not as bad as you haters think it is either. Yes we had a terrible recession after the housing market collapsed and because of too much war spending, but we're probably going to come out of it okay in the end. China on the other hand is facing a similar situation, or maybe even a worse situation, with their housing market which has not quite hit yet. All of us American's sit over here and go, "WOW they have 10% GDP growth again this year!". Do you know why? Because they set their GDP goal and MAKE it happen. Do you know how they make it happen? They build new luxury houses, malls, and roads. Then they count them as part of the GDP regardless of the fact that there are tons upon tons of whole huge new empty malls, apartment buildings, theme parks, and homes with no people in them (because most people can't afford them)! That's how they inflate their GDP and make their goal (which by the way they are having a hard time keeping up with and these days probably won't meet), but it gets worse!
In China, they have a huge problem with government corruption and pollution! So even if you can afford to live in one of those luxury homes, because you're one of the lucky ones, you'll still be surrounded by toxic chemicals and illegal dumps!
And don't kid yourself- China would love to get away with half of the things that the United States does. Maybe worse. Ever hear of the Sengoku Islands surrounding Japan? Well China is in a dispute right now with Japan, because they think that they have the rights to them. They've been sending ships into the area, buzzing Japan's airspace, and Chinese citizens went on a riot a few moths back and attacked Japanese businesses in China because of them.
Now, all this is not to say that China isn't wealthy, powerful, or to try to say that it is a terrible country. China is just another large, powerful, country like any other in my book. It's just to give you a little perspective on what happens outside of the United States. We're not the only country that faces problems with our economy, corruption, or does unethical things. Oh, and don't even get me started on what will happen to their healthcare system when the one child policy makes it so that the population switches from being mostly young to almost entirely old!
The whole world has problems, I hope that we can figure them out.
Oh BTW links if you're interested:
China's Ghost Cities: [link] China's Pollution Problem: [link] China and The Sengoku Islands Dispute: [link]
Or just watch some news that isn't based in the US.
I want you to take some time, open another tab and go look at the issues faced by Greece and its economic woes and how much of an issue it's been for the surrounding region as well as the rest of the world. Did you go and do that? Splendid. It's important. Now, I want you to realize that Greece is not even in the top 25 largest economies in the world.
By contrast, The United States has the world's largest national economy and the world's second largest economy, only just surpassed by the European Union. It produces 25% of all global GDP and holds 20% of global Purchasing Power Parity, the largest in the entire world. It's the third-largest producer of oil on the planet and the second-largest of natural gas. It represents a fifth of all global manufacturing output. 60% of all global currency reserves is invested in the dollar.
With all of that mind, would the world be a better place if it collapsed? I'm leaning towards no.
All that being said, your post is dumb and misinformed. Stop being dumb, please.
I'm aware of what happened to Greece. They suffered because of our corruption and allowing the wealthy banks to control our Government as they please.
Unfortunately economic collapses and depressions are built into the very fabric of our "Free Market" economy. It is supposed to happen - repeatedly, and often. What's interesting is how these "bubbles" have greatly accelerated from once ever 40-50's years to once every 10 years to finally... it seems to be every 5 or less.
No, you are apparently not very aware as it has little to do with the United States government or any banks, outside of Goldman Sachs being complicit in tax evasion. Greece's issues stem from excessive government spending, a massive budget deficit and an unsustainable debt-to-GDP ratio that's been increasing for the last 30 years. Not to mention a lack of statistical credibility which allowed the problem to last so long without being noticed in the first place. They brought that situation down on themselves.
No, the system itself does not inherently fail and considering how it's been happening globally for centuries, I'd say it's just part of general economic growth. The reasons for economic downturns are many and varied. Whether it be overconfidence by both consumers and investors in a particular market ([link][link]), speculation markets ([link]), currency issues brought on by war ([link]), over-expansion ([link]), fraudulent financial practices ([link]), and even railroad executives ([link]). Your figure for how often economic bubbles occur is so wrong, it's almost physically painful to read.
Already living in a state that is as close to totalitarian theocracy as they can get away with and not being a member of the religion in charge, this absolutely terrifies me. There will be nothing to check them if the US collapses. Socially the result would be little different than living in Saudi Arabia. That's not even starting on the economic effects, globally and domestically.
I'm not saying I'm happy with the state of things, I'm not at all, but thinking a collapse is the best solution is short-sighted at best.
"Our creating/starting a war every 5 years, usually with countries that don't even have a military"
Please name the countries that were "invaded" who had no military. Also, please show us a list of the "invasions" the United States has conducted every five years for the last 30 years. I'm very interested in seeing that list.
Then, after you get done with that I would like to see a list of nations that "have no military".
""Homeland Defense", "War On Drugs" that has completely wiped out Mexico's government"
That's so stupid and overflowing with bullshit no amount of snaking will clear that drain. Please illustrate how American policy has made Mexican politicians corrupt. Also include valid links to supporting information.
[link]. I count at least 8 "military operations" since 1944. "Not having a military was a reference with the "War On Terror" which resulted in over 100,000+ "casualties" of innocent men, women, and children that had nothing to do with "terrorism". I consider those civilians to of "not had a military." Another 30,000 were discovered via wikileaks that the US military tried to keep a secret.
"That's so stupid and overflowing with bullshit no amount of snaking will clear that drain."
Aka - you have no rebuttal. Google "War On Drugs Effects On Mexico" and feel free to read any article on the top 10 pages. They cover the subject in-depth.
I'm not your personal researcher nor do you pay me by the higher. But I believe I've presented far more information on point than you have refuting it.
"Not having a military was a reference with the "War On Terror" which resulted in over 100,000+ "casualties" of innocent men, women, and children that had nothing to do with "terrorism". I consider those civilians to of "not had a military."
This is what is called "backpedaling". You clearly stated that the countries had no military. Maybe you should look up what a country is.
It would be more accurate for me to say, "Countries who's militaries are obsolete and in no way a threat to our own." Kind of like launching hundreds of thousands of bombs on villages just to hopefully pick off a couple of guys with AK47's and rocket launchers that are decades old. Or maybe if we invade the African Continent they can throw spears at our tanks. Like in the Civilization games!
It should of been obvious what I meant from the context. Also obvious I know what a country is.
This is nothing more than a veiled personal attack, and you nitpicking at one small point at the exclusion of all my main points because you have no rebuttals.