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Why are Amercans so worried about the debt ceiling and Obama spending?

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Saidryian Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013
America has been in various states of debt since what, pretty much forever? To get out of the great depression your government spent money like crazy, invested heavily in social programs and went deep into debt. It's a lot more complicated than that, yet it essentially worked.

Before Obama even stepped into office you guys already had a 10 trillion dollar debt. There's endless talk about the debt ceiling, and the country being doomed because of Obama overspending... yet oh look, 10 trillion in debt from other presidents and let's just not look at that? Then there's the talk about the debt ceiling when it has been raised already over 100 times?


Again and again your country have been overspending and raising the debt ceiling, so why is Obama treated so differently? Seriously, could someone please explain the sudden hysteria to me? [link]
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qwertywithak Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
America is a greedy jerk.
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Cecelia9 Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Before Obama even stepped into office you guys already had a 10 trillion dollar debt. There's endless talk about the debt ceiling, and the country being doomed because of Obama overspending... yet oh look, 10 trillion in debt from other presidents and let's just not look at that? Then there's the talk about the debt ceiling when it has been raised already over 100 times?


Again and again your country have been overspending and raising the debt ceiling, so why is Obama treated so differently?


He is treated differently due to his spendthrift behavior in comparison to other presidents. His ideas about curing the economy [such as high taxation on the rich, unwanted stimulus, etc.] are not going to help, at all. Just the opposite will happen.

Inb4 I'm a racist and it's Bush's fault.
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mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
He is treated differently due to his spendthrift behavior in comparison to other presidents.
Spendthrift? You mean the slowest growth rate in federal spending in over 50 years? [link]

His ideas about curing the economy [such as high taxation on the rich, unwanted stimulus, etc.] are not going to help, at all.
Except they are helping. They're lowering unemployment. They're reducing our deficits. What exactly is your definition of "help", and why does it differ from everyone else's definition?

Just the opposite will happen.
That's what the Republitards said in 2009. It hasn't happened. The opposite of what they said would happen happened. The economy bounced back. GDP is growing. The recession has ended.

Inb4 I'm a racist and it's Bush's fault.
I wasn't going to say that. Just that you're an idiot.
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Cecelia9 Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Except they are helping. They're lowering unemployment. They're reducing our deficits. What exactly is your definition of "help", and why does it differ from everyone else's definition?
I actually proved just the opposite on this good try though.

That's what the Republitards said in 2009. It hasn't happened.
Oooh insulting a party now are we? Sassy, darling. Woah, hold up. The recession has ended. :rofl: :lmao: :lol:

I wasn't going to say that. Just that you're an idiot.
It's a joke dear, since those are two common phrases your wing seems to throw at people who have different opinions. You seem to be very close minded- to have to go through and read/reply to all of my comments is dedication, but you aren't exactly making a point. I have my side which I gave to OP. I answered his/her question. Your constant name calling and obvious anger doesn't really make you sound convincing, and I literally can't take anything you said seriously in any of your replies. Oh and... the questions I asked were for kkart to answer. I mean, sure, you butt right in but not only did you waste your time but I don't value your input seeing as you invited yourself into the conversation rudely. You seem like an angry individual, chillax holmes. :beer: Not everyone has to think the same way you do, and not everyone is.. how you put it, an "idiot" or "ignorant" for thinking otherwise. That's something a selfish person would say, and I could easily shoot those comments right back at you if I had the rudeness to. :)
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mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
I actually proved just the opposite on this good try though.
You did? Unemployment is up and the deficit is growing?

You seem to be very close minded- to have to go through and read/reply to all of my comments is dedication, but you aren't exactly making a point.
The point I made was that you're wrong.

our constant name calling and obvious anger doesn't really make you sound convincing, and I literally can't take anything you said seriously in any of your replies.
That's too bad. Everything I said was true. Ad hominem aside, it'd do you some good to fact check me.

I mean, sure, you butt right in but not only did you waste your time but I don't value your input seeing as you invited yourself into the conversation rudely.
Rudely? Oh me! Did I hurt your delicate little feelings?

how you put it, an "idiot" or "ignorant" for thinking otherwise.
Well, see, here's the thing. We can have ideological differences as far as X, Y, and Z go. What we can't do is invent an entirely new alternate-reality to suit your agenda. You claimed Obama is on a spend thrift. It's wrong. It's just plain wrong. It isn't in reality. Then you said his economic stimulus and tax hikes on millionaires wouldn't help the economy. Again, a fictitious reality. You're wrong -- they did help. We're not disagreeing on ideology. We're disagreeing on reality. The difference is, my reality isn't made up.

That's something a selfish person would say, and I could easily shoot those comments right back at you if I had the rudeness to.
Wait...You were the one highlighting all of the unemployment benefits in the stimulus package as a bad thing...I'm the selfish one?
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Cecelia9 Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Everything I said was true
Sadly not, my dear.
The point I made was that you're wrong.
you see, that is where you are wrong.
alternate-reality to suit your agenda. You claimed Obama is on a spend thrift.
hmmm... You read my original statement wrong, it seems.
The difference is, my reality isn't made up.
As far as I'm concerned, stimulus and tax hikes have not helped, what-so-ever.
Wait...You were the one highlighting all of the unemployment benefits in the stimulus package as a bad thing...I'm the selfish one?
dear, do not take my highlighting out of context.

You are probably going to reply to this to because you are the kind of person who needs to have last say and how dare anyone else voice an opinion. So be it. I have better things to do then waste my time on a person like you. Go lurk other people's debates now and have fun, replying to me will be pointlessly redundant. :P
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mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Sadly not, my dear.
Actually, I'm right.
Deficit as of 2009 - 1.4 trillion. Today - 1.1 trillion.
Unemployment at the start of the President's term - 8.2%. Today - 7.7%.

You read my original statement wrong, it seems.
Which part? Was it the part where you said Obama was on a spend thrift? Pretty sure I read that.


As far as I'm concerned, stimulus and tax hikes have not helped, what-so-ever.

Reality doesn't bend to your concerns. Reality is that the stimulus and the tax hikes HAVE helped. Somebody already provided you a CBO source on the effects of the Recovery Act.

dear, do not take my highlighting out of context.
Actually, it was in context. That's exactly what you said.

replying to me will be pointlessly redundant.
Probably. I'm giving you pearls, pearls of reality. And like pearls before swine, it goes wasted.
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Cecelia9 Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Which part? Was it the part where you said Obama was on a spend thrift? Pretty sure I read that.
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Actually, I'm right.
I have found multiple sources stating otherwise.
Reality doesn't bend to your concerns. Reality is that the stimulus and the tax hikes HAVE helped. Somebody already provided you a CBO source on the effects of the Recovery Act.
Reality is that they statistically have not helped.
Actually, it was in context. That's exactly what you said.
Actually, your evaluation was far out of context to the point I was making.
Probably. I'm giving you pearls, pearls of reality. And like pearls before swine, it goes wasted.
Definitely. Again, goodbye. There is absolutely no reason to continue. As I said before I have my facts and opinions and you have yours. You need to learn to accept that like I said, not everyone in this country needs to share your same leftist views. I let you have your say and I'm requesting you drop it because this is getting off-topic.
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Cecelia9 Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
lol'd
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bblotus Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
"High taxes on the rich."

Worry less about "I'm a racist and it's Bushes fault" and more about how even before the Bush Tax Cuts that the rich were already paying record low taxes in the US History since the early 1900's. Look it up. Our country also has the highest income disparity of any country. Therefore they still pay the most taxes but have a staggering amount of wealth centralized in their banks, which seeing how we supposedly rely on consumerism to create jobs, it's kind of a funny situation.

If you actually care about real life facts and not talking points then your free to look this up. But very few people will actually do that as this is more about tribalism than reality.
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