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How do Americans feel about only having two parties?

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tcpanter Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013
I find this such a crazy idea that a country that champions the cause of democracy so much only has two parties. I mean I know that means there is choice but only two seems a little few. And if what I am told from my American friends is true only if the two parties agreed could there be more parties allowed to run. That seems insane to me. How do any Americans here feel about the issue?
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nightchildmoonchild Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
There're more than two parties here, but little attention is given to them. I remember when I took a civics class, a full ballot of all parties that had attempted to run during the 2000 presidential election was shown to us in the text book. I counted five or six parties on it, and could only verify that I knew three of them.
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JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
terrified

scared

absolutely horrible.

considering both parties at their core are more or less the same, and both don't mind ignoring freedom and democracy when it suits their intrests.
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GourmetPrince Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Absolutely horrendous.
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Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
We need:

1. A voting system which makes third parties mathematically viable. Runoff or other proportional voting methods would go a long way.

2. More than one politically viable third party. The Independents are sort of a dumping ground, and the Greens are fielding bleeding heart hippy-type liberals that would be pants dealing with the system, rather than practical savvy-type liberals. And the other third parties aren't even on the map. Leaving just the Libertarians, which are, quite frankly, scarier than the Republicans.
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JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
"proportional voting methods would go a long way."

this
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Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I would love to have proportional voting, especially any type of preferential voting. Then you actually could vote for the candidate you want, because you could also make a hedge bet against the candidate you don't want at the same time, thus eliminating the problem of the spoiler effect.
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JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
or the idea of coalitions. Minor parties might never win the presidency, but they could make a showing in congress, and larger parties could ally with them, if they needed a majority.

Which would work great for most day to day issues, but the third parties could put their boot down on issues the majors don't want to touch, especially on major issues that are non-partisan, and both parties support.

For example, the greens, libertarians, and justice parties, could band together and but their feet down against things like the patriot act, SOPA, PIPA, and other things that tend to unite independents in one corner, and the mainstream in another.

At the same time, the greens and libertarians can still quibble over the budget and government spending.

I also think it'd breed more civility. People would need "agree to disagree" with people they know they'd need to be united with on other issues.

I also want a federal amendment for ballot initiatives like many states have now.

I think both are in line with the original goals of the constitution, and progress in line with previous amendments.
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Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I can't see a coalition happening, honestly. If the Republicans and Democrats can't agree, even when the Democrats are implementing Republican ideas, there's zero reason why any other right vs. left groups would. The right-wing in general is too entrenched at this point.

Mmm. I agree on principle, but honestly ballots are abused enough already either on things so confusing that even if you're sure where you stand it's still hard to tell how to vote, or stuff that has no place being put to a vote to begin with.
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JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
its because the system as we have it now, doesn't lend it self to compromise

with proportional representation, more people would just vote third party when the major two pull the same happy horseshit which reminds us they are all blowhards.

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scales would tip until the dems are the third party and greens are the major party.
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Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Actually, the more realistic result would be that Dems would become the new right, Greens would become the new left, and the Republicans would become the new nobodies.

Though admittedly that would require the Greens actually fielding a realistic candidate. We could end up in a horrible scenario where the Dems are still the left and the Libertarians are the new right.
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