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What's Wrong With Liberals?

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GloomyPandaBear Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Honestly, I know very little about politics(but I want to know more) For an assignment for school, we had to make a political comic. Perfect opportunity to learn about Politics. So far, I haven't learned much(yet) but one thing I did learn(and already kinda knew) is that people aren't very fond of Liberals. Now I don't see anything wrong with them, but like I said before I know very little about politics. So I thought I'd get some opinions on the subject of Liberals.
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:iconthelittleone:
thelittleone Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
A really poor way to phrase your topic if this is for school, its an inherently biased way to put it, and you're only going to get people who spend all day raging against the one side rather than an informed answer with a full understanding of both parties and their deficiencies (Because all politicians suck, it's a fact of life). The reason you're seeing people really hate liberals, is because passions are high on both sides. Half this country really hates liberals, the other half really hates conservatives. Its one way or the other, but we're equally divided on it.

Here's my quickie overview, but bear in mind the situation is much much much more complicated than this. I will try to be as unbiased as possible in describing how one group perceives the other:

Liberals are mostly disliked because they represent a platform that is 'progressive', that is they support programs aimed at helping the poor or underrepresented classes. This often leads to policies that are considered intrusive to personal privacy (Instituting a Nanny state, telling us how to live our lives because it's "good for us"), socialist (for supporting these programs with government funds rather than allowing free market to decide what's best), and are very costly. Conservatives view Liberals as bleeding heart 'takers' who spend money they didn't earn.

Conservatives are disliked because they are perceived as greedy and aggressive. Conservatives prefer the funds to go to defense rather than to social programs, believing in the free market systems to handle all of those issues. Liberals dislike this because they believe the free market system eventually only favors the rich, and without regulation we would be run by a handful of corporations (which has some precedence, look up antitrust laws from the 1920's, or The Jungle in concerns to how are food was processed and handled before the FDA). Conservatives are also disliked because they have a track record for dragging religion into an argument and making some very inappropriate remarks concerning things like rape and racial insensitivity, something Liberals vehemently believe don't belong in a rational debate. Liberals view conservative as heartless rich people who don't care about the poor because their problems don't affect the wealthy.

To be clear, neither of these views are entirely correct. As I said, it's very complex and there's never one answer to all our problems. I will suggest however, you leave your research to the books in your library, not to an internet forum. You're not going to find any help with an assignment here, only madmen screaming at monitors.
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mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
I don't know...Your description of conservatives is almost exactly Paul Ryan.
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DefineDeviancyDown Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Even liberals aren't fond of liberalism, that's why they have dropped the liberal label and now call themselves progresive. What's in a name?
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meanus Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013
I don't like them because they are all about empowering Big Brother...they want a totalitarian system where the government runs every aspect of your life, what you eat, how you spend your money, etc. First they make people dependent on biG brother...(47 million on foodstamps) then they control you by threatening to remove your benifits if you dont' vote right
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miletich2 Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
You're saying they want to oppress and not be oppressed?
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meanus Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013
liberals want total control...thats why t hey are always screaming for more power to Big Brother, more regulations, more taxes, more oversight, more everything and anything that has big brother with his nose up your ass. Like gun control, government screams for more but nobody is suggesting that government give up its guns...oh noooooooo!
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miletich2 Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
And you accuse President Obama of being a dictator?
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:iconmeanus:
meanus Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013
no, he just wants to be a dictator
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:iconmiletich2:
miletich2 Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
That's your opinion, not a fact.
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meanus Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013
so, liberals think hes God
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miletich2 Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I'm a liberal, but I don't consider President Obama God.
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DefineDeviancyDown Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm sorry for butting in, but I have to agree with you miletich when you say that Obama is a dictator. Thank you for clarifying that!
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miletich2 Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
President Obama is no dictator. He may be in your point of view, but he's definitely a good man.
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DefineDeviancyDown Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm just agreeing with what you said.
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mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Fuckin' socialist. Go back to the USSR!~
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miletich2 Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
How about you quit making an ass of yourself, you obvious Nazi!
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ArtisticAxis Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013
Be wary of people that label themselves as "Liberals" or "Conservatives".

But you want to know eh.

Cons? A large group of fuck wits with immoral practices and preachings.
Libs. A large group with obnoxiously moral practices/preachings/social justice bullshit/politically correct bullshit.

They all fucking suck.
Learn this now. They both fucking suck. One is not better than the other. That's why you'll see them going at each other.
Never put yourself into these groups. You'll only ever see one side of a larger argument.
Be free and be in the middle.

Make a comic mocking both because they're both worthy of mockery.
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mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
One is not better than the other.
Historically speaking -- one is. <:

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Gallery-of-Art Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
WOW. "What's Wrong With Liberals?" That's a tall order. Where do I start, and how much time you got?

The first thing you need to do, is read and study the US Constitution.

Without that knowledge in place, it really isn't possible to explain those nut-burgers properly.

One tidbit of information on liberals however, that you might find interesting.

Today liberals celebrate 40 years of legalized abortion, 55 million babies dead, and counting. Way to go Liberals, they sure know how to outdo Adolph Hitler in putting innocent human lives to death.

Liberals love aborting babies. Don't believe me? Try taking away the right to kill an unborn child from a liberal and see how they react.
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BonnieKnox Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
As a friend has told me: Let the liberals abort, that will reduce their population.
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AnnaGiladi Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Professional General Artist
Liberals are the ones that are most concerned with social justice, equal rights, and supporting minorities that have previously not known support. Liberals are the ones making distinctions between fractions of groups, like "normal Muslims" versus "terrorists" - distinctions the far right fears for lack of propaganda value and excuse to throw America's weight around. Basically, most steps in the right direction in terms of ethics, are due to liberals. You can find the differences ever so subtly among liberal and far-right voters. The latter are more likely to send the woman to the kitchen, roar "Murca!", and be distrustful and judgmental of anything foreign, "different", or un-Christian. These concepts can be applied to other nations as well, obviously.

Whenever liberals get under fire, it often comes from extreme rightsts who cannot for the life of them deal with the idea of NOT conveniently labeling all Arabs terroists, NOT having things comfortably stay as they are, and God forbid, having to put up with foreign or new concepts. They immediately fear for the rise of Sodomy and Gonorrhea, and that Murca becomes America (as in - less redneck).

And ironically, those crapping on LIBERals, are also screaming most loudly for their LIBERties.

As AvSkyggene said, it's hard to fit into one mold unless you're a hopeless simpleton. I voted liberal today because I agree with most of their points, while my 2nd favorite party was a far-right one where I agreed with most of their goals as well, except they tend to flip-flop where as the liberals I voted for, are known to fight to keep their word.
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meanus Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013
seems to me that liberals are always wanting to empower Big Brother with more laws, regulations,and money. The last thing liberals worry about is individual freedoms. Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, etc were all liberals
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AvSkyggene Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013
Anyone who can classify themselves with a single label is well-deserving of scorn.

Nobody should be able to neatly fit into a mold. Not unless they've consciously made them self do so.
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djwagLmuffin Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Here's the thing, it's all politics and neither side of the spectrum has your best interest in mind as they are owned and operated by huge corporate interests and lobbyists. And not a single person here can truly say otherwise. Thanks Citizens United.

I don't believe that we are as divided as the media thinks we are but they like to throw in social issues to temper the flames. To try and perpetuate the "Us versus Them" mentality.

I'm going to assume you're conservative (or at least think you are) and I can guarantee it's all about how you approach social issues as opposed to fiscal ones. Most Americans are in the middle with a dash of one side or the other. I usually see conservatives as the ones who would rather things stay the same. Thinking that (and as an extreme example) laws on the books from the 1800's somehow work and apply to how we operate now. Liberals want change and, often times, too much too fast. Especially on social issues. And then, you have us in the middle, who can't figure out the disconnect.

I, personally, am a classic liberal. Joe Biden is another good example of someone who is a classic liberal and I'm pretty sure we can agree on some things. I approach everything as "This is my personal view and this is my view on the Constitution and how other people run their lives."

Some examples:

I am pro-life but I will not tell someone they can't do with their bodies what they want. I don't care what some person does with themselves as long as they understand the risks. And there ARE risks. Right to privacy.

I believe in marriage equality mostly because I don't care. A couple of dudes getting married has absolutely no impact on my personal life at all. I do fully acknowledge that it's a slight taboo in some circles, I really do. I draw the line at self-harm or those circles harming another.

I am not an environmentalist even though I believe we shouldn't be putting toxic waste dumps over fresh water supplies or drilling for oil in pristine landscapes just so some jerk in the oil business can make a short term profits.

I am not religious but I don't care that others are and might be as long as you don't get violent or scream in my face about it. Freedom of religion.

I believe in the separation of church and state. First Amendment.

I believe myself to be a patriot and I am not afraid to criticize my government as I believe we are better then what we are now.

I believe in capitalism. I believe that if ANYONE, no matter race, sexual orientation, creed, or gender, is willing to work and strive to make their own opportunities I am in support of that and I believe it should be invested in.

I do not believe in the exploitation of the weak or disadvantaged.

I want to see taxes raised across the board and cuts in spending where it will count and the money that we generate from that endeavor to be used in an intelligent manner. Infrastructure, for starters. Land restoration, remodeling and rebuilding, small business stimulus, etc. We can cut spending all day, if we're not investing in our economy and our people, those cuts will have been for nothing. I understand the Republican argument, to cut spending and start paying down what we already owe, but we need to invest in order to make even more money to full throttle that prospect.

I am SICK of short term profiteering. I am willing to concede that some media outlets have an already bias view on issues like this, but when you see articles that state that some CEO bankrupted a company, laid off x-amount of workers and walked away with +thousands/millions of dollars, we've got a serious problem. Hostess really didn't need to go under and they would have prospered had they invested in the continuity of the company. Spending money is always a risk. Any smart entrepreneur will tell you that. But at least they would have gone down swinging instead of leaving the workers high and dry.

Anyway, I'm sure some of you agree and some of your disagree. That's fine. I, like so many of you, do our best to approach these issues with a level head but I was simply trying to underline some issues that we seem to be disconnected one.

You should be less concerned with your neighbor's political affiliation and watch how the Capital actually operates.

NDAA was renewed.
Patriot Act extended and added upon.
Citizens United is still on the books.
We're still in the Middle East (which not only costs money but LIVES as well)

It's as if they created these measures because the defense budget is so bloated they need to spend it on something.

^--THESE need to be immediately addressed as opposed to having a conversation about who's right and who's wrong with political affiliation.

My advise to you is to just keep an open mind and understand that there are people in the country, in your state, in your county and towns, right down to your neighborhood, that feel and think differently than you. You will not always agree and instead of looking down your nose at them for it, try to understand why and come up with a solution to meet on middle ground so you can move on together. And we need to have these disagreements to continue to prove to the rest of the planet that there are people in this country still willing to think for themselves.
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Sheepy94 Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Same with the rest of the capitalists is what's wrong with them.
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OprahWinfreyX Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Because liberals believe in high federal government and believe that it's the governments job to handle social issues. Many believe the opposite of that, that is why. It's not because liberals are idiots and it's not because conservative are assholes. In a way it's like opposing religions.
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micorasol Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Well, in my honest opinion most of liberals are just dumb and overbearing, that's why many people aren't fond of them.

Even if there's some liberal idea I like, there is always some liberal folk who is so dumb, lazy and has so high self-esteem (even though they have nothing to be proud of) that makes me wanna say 'oh Gosh, conservatives are 100% right'.
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JoeBostonPhotography Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Professional Photographer
And going from your past posts here, you're also immune to reason.
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RobStrand Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013
My God. This thread! This whole fucking thread...allow me to sum up 85% of what is being stated!

Typical Post by a Liberal:

Liberals represent these values and beliefs and this is why. We are the true political power that represents the best form of government. And don't listen to the Conservatives, they are a bunch of dicks!

Typical Post by a Conservatives:

Conservatives represent these values and beliefs and this is why. We are the true political power that represents the best form of government. And Don't listen to the Liberals, they are a bunch of assholes!

Around 10% of you are actually not opinionated at all and are merely stating facts. (5% has been taken in case of error, troll post, and unrelated bullshit)
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Elidy Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
and you seem to do nothing but complain...how is that any better?

and all you seem to be saying is that you find both opinions annoying and unintelligent.

so please, do better.


also, forums are not the place to go for well articulated, fact based, non-insulting debates, if you expected as much, then, well... I don't really have a comment for that.
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:iconrobstrand:
RobStrand Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013
Oh sure reply to my complaint with a complaint of your own and then call my opinion annoying and unintelligent. I'm totally going well out of my way to not belabor a point here, but their is a huge hole in our logic.

Just saying.
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Elidy Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I do not believe my comment would qualify as a complaint. I was merely making an observation and asking how, if useless comments annoy you, does making a comment that contributes nothing to the discussion at hand, help? A better solution would be to, instead of berating others, submit a well articulated argument of your own.

Also, you don't seem to comprehend me.

I never said YOUR opinions were annoying and unintelligent, I said that you seemed TO FIND THE OPINIONS OF OTHERS as such. You are free to hold whatever opinion you wish, but in doing so, it is best not to complain when others don't hold the same opinion, or when they do not hold it in an intelligent manner.

Please, read my statement again.

I realize that in responding to your reply, I may have become slightly hypocritical of my own stance on tangents and unrelated side notes, but I felt I needed to clarify my words.
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macker33 Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Liberalism is a sub standard impossibility, you cant give everything to everybody,
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FerricPlushy Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
people aren't very fond of liberals? That's largely contingent on where you live and how many dogs you own
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qwertywithak Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I would describe myself as a socialist, I do tend to lean more libertarian socialism, but I believe if we have a government it should be looking out for the best of the best interest of the people. The way I see it, conservative want to steal from the needy to give to the rich, the liberals want to tax everyone to give back to everyone.
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Kiwi-Punch Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Nothing is wrong with liberals. What you really want to do if you want to piss off your teacher (it sounds as if he/she might be a right-wing looney), is to make fun of the fact that Republicans and the Tea Party deliberately apply LIBERAL agendas for the WRONG reason. While Liberals want to use the government to make sure everyone gets their fair shot at life and to more easily pursue what makes every man, woman and child different, and are in total support of women's rights and child's rights, as well as worker's rights, conservative logic says that every man, woman and child should worship God, the poor should get poorer and the corporate fat cats are people too and deserve to run your life because you're not religious enough to deserve life privileges.

Based on this, the only thing wrong with liberals is that they spend way too much; but then again, the way they spend tends to favor the little guy and not the corporate fat cat who has more money than they know what to do with. We need to ENCOURAGE rich people to spend MORE money instead of hoarding it. We need to make sure that liberal ideals as well as SOME conservative ideals are passed with fair amounts of compromise. While I believe liberals are spending for the right reasons, they spend too much, and I think compromise with conservatives and finding ways to make spending more effective for less will ultimately save this country. However, so long as Republicans refuse to compromise, there will never be a way out of this mess of a country we have. PUBLIC GOOD is PRIVATE GOOD as well. It would be best that conservatives get that message and soon.
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Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I've been noting lately that the liberals are actually doing a better job of embodying conservative ideals than the conservatives are.
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JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
funny how that works right.

of course the problem is with their critics, not the people employing conservative ideas

1. one nation under surveillance - check

2. strict hierarchy, nice to those at the top, cruel to those at the bottom - check

3. dismisal of democracy when people don't vote their way. - check.

4. trivialization of rights and the constitution - check.

5. fear, paranoia, disinformation, about political enemies - check.

"liberals"(and I do use quotes), do a great job of embodying conservative ideals.
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Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Still shilling for the Republicans?
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JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
must be, everyone who opposes the democrats is. Its one giant conspiracy.

our mosque-of-centrism dictates it. Its what we all done, after you busted that notorious Republican racket known as the Green Party.
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:iconjeysie:
Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
"must be, everyone who opposes the democrats is."

No, just you, hon.
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JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
and everyone else in the church of centrism aparantly.
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Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Not everyone. They do all help the Republicans get away with their shit more easily, yes, but some of them do it more unwittingly and less overtly.
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mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
I've been noting lately that the liberals are actually doing a better job of embodying conservative ideals than the conservatives are.
We're just that good.
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Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
*flexes*

Ironically that's a good chunk of why I "defected" to the liberals. I actually liked the old-skool conservative ideals.
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Kiwi-Punch Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I know, right? However, liberals oppose oppression on women in any form, but conservatives seem to want to treat women like shit. Also, we liberals are all for gay marriage.
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Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Well, the problem there is the Religious Right. Gay marriage actually supports family rights, and rights for women support personal responsibility.
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sydnerella Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013   Writer
This is coming from someone who is not a democrat or republican. In fact, I tend to see very little meaningful difference between the two.

I don't have a problem with liberals, but I do disagree with them on many aspects. I'll keep my reasoning brief. I don't think government is the strongest institution to intervene in a lot of affairs (although I'm not saying government doesn't have it's place). My biggest problem with a liberal mindset is that it seems the fallback solution to a lot of problems is to look to the government to solve them. I honestly don't trust politicians and bureaucracy to do that in most cases.

I think a liberal mindset isn't just equitable to the democratic party. My definition of liberal is the very meaning of the word - a liberal application of government. Republicans apply government liberally as well. They generally want government to interfere in marriage rights, drug use, and the stripping of individual liberties in the interest of national security (and many democrats also believe in a liberal application of government on this end as well, it's just not as prevalent in the way we classify and discuss our political parties).
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Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
"I don't think government is the strongest institution to intervene in a lot of affairs (although I'm not saying government doesn't have it's place)."

Because you have to pick one: The public sector or the private sector. And we kind of have hard proof that the public sector is better at some things than the private one, both in our own history and looking at other countries.

Plus the irony is that the private sector doesn't want the responsibility the Republicans keep trying to give it anyway. If they did, they wouldn't bitch and whine about paying higher wages and for healthcare, to actually pay the full costs of their labor.
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sydnerella Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013   Writer
The point of my post was to illustrate that there is a liberal mindset in both the Republican and Democratic parties that those who have a "problem" with liberals fail to point out. I think we would probably disagree on where responsibility lies. I do not disagree with you, however, that the public sector is better at doing some things than the private sector. I think both have their place.

I think a nationalized healthcare is a good idea. I don't think it's playing out well in real life. Unfortunately, I think we are going to see a lot of people at the bottom getting hurt by this legislation. I'll agree, the private sector does not want the responsibility of healthcare for lower-income employees. They still don't. In fact, a lot of workplaces (including my own - a library, and you may have heard about some of the Wendy's doing the same) are going to be cutting the hours of part-time employees drastically to avoid the new costs in healthcare. That means less money for those already working a low-paying job, and no healthcare on the part of the employers. Basically, there are a lot of specifics in the law that are unintentionally encouraging employers to cause further detriment to the workers who will really feel the reduction in income.

I think it's all fine to blame the private sector for shirking responsibility. However, I don't think you can reasonably legislate your way around all injustice. Legislation doesn't really work that way - you can find a loophole or way around some mandate in almost any piece of legislation, and businesses will continue to do so. I think that the problems we are seeing from the private sector are, for the most part, best dealt with at a societal level, not a legislative one. I don't think that legislation has the power in a case such as healthcare to foster a sense of good will in our society, unfortunately.
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