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Petition to cut senators pay to fix american deficit

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Beautiful-Doubt Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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if we get enough people, they will stand behind us on it. 35k people already signed
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defense2 Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013
Sign me up.
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ScottaHemi Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
also anyone saying it won't help... shaadup already...

every little bit will help... the government needs to do this. they need to cut down. to spend less. we're gonna have a shutdown anyways next mouth though so whatever.
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Beautiful-Doubt Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
thanks ^^;
also i think its both of them retired and current
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ScottaHemi Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
is this just for current congress only? or is this both current and retired congress?

because the retired ones also get payed a lot of money as well...
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Jadeookami Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
For some reason, almost every forum you start, it seems to attract a fair share of jerks.
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Beautiful-Doubt Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
=-= IKR ALL the jerks..... i just don't even reply any more....i guess i should stop trying to start forums and things XD people just always get offended...
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:iconmgonzales041090:
mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
It's a politics forum. Have you ever heard of civility in politics? Neither have I.
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Beautiful-Doubt Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
XD not just here. i went to general and asked about OC's and what i thought they were and EVERYONE was right. like i couldnt say anything. then when i tried to explain i was an asshole and they wanted to report me for disagreeing... I cant start anything without people coming with an Auto "FUCK YOU" not that i have a problem with disagreement, just the extreme that ive seen here is weird. its like everyone is hiding behind the internet to insult people (not just me) and get away with it. not that I take it to heart I just find it...annoying that no ever even remotely agrees with anything. I mean not everything I think is wrong and most are opinions so, I dunno XD I just dont know anymore M.
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mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
I can't defend people in other forums. That being said, this is politics. We're not British pansies. To be blunt, if you can't keep your feelings from getting hurt by various ad hominem attacks, then you probably shouldn't be discussing politics, especially on the internet. I'd love a civil discussion. It just isn't going to happen.
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Beautiful-Doubt Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
we aren't being civil? I don't feel anything you or I have said is out of line. Then again politics isn't in question at the moment. XD
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mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
We're civil right now. I'm saying that, when the discussion of politics is happening, don't count on there being civility.
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Beautiful-Doubt Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
yeah i dont mind that ^^ thanks.
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EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
"if we get enough people, they will stand behind us on it. 35k people already signed"

Dunce.

The petition is not a legally binding document.
The petition does not initiate any type of law making procedure.

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:iconcosmic--chaos:
Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Who said it was a legally binding document?
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EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013
The dumbass OP seems to think it is
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Abstract-Mindser Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
I'm thinking that we should instead put them on a more day to day payroll, since they already do far less actual work than most of us do in a day.

But can we also push cuts for CEOs as well? Those four million a year for Netflix could be used to obtain titles instead.
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:iconmaddmatt:
maddmatt Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
Don't buy their products. You dictate CEO pay.
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:iconabstract-mindser:
Abstract-Mindser Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
Sure. How should avoid using products in a monopoly situation?
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:iconmaddmatt:
maddmatt Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013
Ummm...don't use it. Or don't complain about the pay you are giving to a private citizen.
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:iconabstract-mindser:
Abstract-Mindser Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013
They aren't private citizens as I've said before. They are in positions of power, and should be regulated according to their power. So owners of conglomerates should be VERY regulated. They have empires to run, they shouldn't be distracted by things like private jets or multiple house ownership.
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maddmatt Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013
They are private citizens. They only have wealth because you give it to them.
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:iconmgonzales041090:
mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
I thought Obama was trying to push a bill that lets stock holders dictate CEO pay.
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:iconabstract-mindser:
Abstract-Mindser Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
That would be just as awful as the current system.
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DJ0Hybrid Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I'm more fond of the idea of both the House and Senate working part time instead. You end up cutting their salary because they aren't working as much, you can cut a bit more as they no long have to own two homes but can instead try hotels or short term apartments, possibly spend less on traveling (oh look, an enviornmental side affect,) spend more time with family, and spend more time getting to know the people they represent and communicating with them as to what is going on.
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Ragerancher Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
This won't even come close to sorting out the deficit. However I do agree with the principle that if Congressmen are going to talk cuts, they should practice what they preach.
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:iconcosmic--chaos:
Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I couldn't agree more.
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DC4894 Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
You do realize that those petitions are completely useless, right?
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EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
90% of the people who reference these petitions are so woefully uninformed it's distressing.
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DC4894 Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yup :no:
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kitsumekat Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
That's not a bad idea.
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Lytrigian Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
The petition actually says to cut the pay of all members of Congress, not just Senators, and for a period of 3 years. This is supposed to "repay the National deficit". Let's look at the actual savings, shall we?

According to [link] members of Congress are paid $174,000/year, not counting 5 members in leadership positions who are paid slightly more. There are 435 Representatives and 100 Senators, for a total of 535 members of Congress. 530 of those are rank-and-file members making the above figure. Total savings for those members over 3 years is (174k - 75k) * 530 * 3 = $157,410,000.

The House and Senate majority and minority leaders are paid $193,400 each. Total savings for those 4 members are (193,400 - 75,000) * 4 * 3 = $1,420,800

The Speaker of the House is paid $223,500/year. Total savings for John Boehner over 3 years is (223,500-75,000) * 3 = $445,500.

Total savings by this petition is a whopping $159,276,300. Let's call it an even $160 million to make things simple.

The US government deficit for fiscal 2012, which ended on September 30, was $1.1 trillion dollars. That means that this scheme would "repay" just under one and one half ten thousandths of the 2012 deficit.

Yeah. That'll help. Now all we need are 10,000 savings opportunities just like that, and we'll be running surpluses.
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JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
which is only a fraction of what they make total, for a lot of them.

I say we eliminate all income tax deductions for all members of congress until they stop this political brinksmanship with spending and budgeting.
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maddmatt Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
Well, thanks to republicans, the pay raises that Obama was trying to give to our poor Senators, representatives, and destitute Joe Biden, are temporarily frozen.
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VISIONOFTHEWORLD Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
The president doesn't give Senators pay raises. Compensation for the duties of US Congressmen is a bill for raising revenue, which is the sole duty of the US House of Representatives- please read Sec.6 and 7 under Article I of the US Constitution.
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:iconmaddmatt:
maddmatt Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
You might want to remind Obama and his use of executive orders:

[link]
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:iconmgonzales041090:
mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Don't scare him with facts!
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:iconmaddmatt:
maddmatt Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
The fact that it didn't come front the House?

Or did you have different facts that explain away use of Executive Order?
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:iconlytrigian:
Lytrigian Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
He hasn't even noticed that the scary executive order he talks about was issued pursuant to the statutes it cites. I.e., in setting rates of pay in this manner, he's just doing his job as he sees fit as Congress has already authorized him to do.
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:iconmaddmatt:
maddmatt Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
I never stated it was illegal. Just fact that it didn't come from the House as Vissy is asserting.
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:iconlytrigian:
Lytrigian Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Who do you think made the statutes? It came from the House originally, yes.
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:iconmaddmatt:
maddmatt Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
No. The House had a pay freeze in effect since 2009.
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:iconvisionoftheworld:
VISIONOFTHEWORLD Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
I have no plans of signing any petitions at this stage- but- this is not going to repay the national deficit!! You need to do some basic math here- Senators make $200k annually (per the last time they passed themselves a raise)- and even if they were going to pass a pay cut for themselves (the tea baggers/gop will fillibuster it to death) the grand total of savings would be a whopping $12.5 million. That's it. For a whole year. They can save that buying ONE LESS fighter jet for the airforce. If it's an F35- just HALF A JET! Which has a better chance passing Congress. Good luck :wave:
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TheRedSnifit Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
We should make half-F35s and give them to our allies as their miltary support.
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theGman0 Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013  Hobbyist
wut?
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:iconjackmolotov3:
JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
absolutely not, but it will teach the lot of them not to play this game of political brinksmanship with the debt.

Thank god for the 27th amendment.
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TheAwsomeOpossum Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
While that might make them look at the defect problem more seriously, it won't directly make a dent in the deficit, so I'd say it's a bit of a misnomer. The idea is to punish the senators and congressman for not fixing the deficit, right?
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mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
What? Seriously? Good cut. It's like when Mitt Romney wanted to cut NPR.
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Beautiful-Doubt Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
well romney wanted to take all our free to the public stuff...this is ort of like the rich taking not so big a hit so the country doesnt die....
i mean they still get to keep 75000 a year thats more than almost everyone. (every "normal" citizen. ie not famous or stupid rich)
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Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
The politicians are hardly the only rich in the country, so it's going to take all of the rich to take a hit, not just a tiny number of them.
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mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
You misunderstood me. It's a waste of time. Cutting Senator's pay won't do much of anything to balance the budget. Taxing people's incomes at Clinton-era levels if they make more than $200,000 a year is a way to do it. Slashing defense spending is another way. There's lots of ways to do it. This isn't one of them. This is just a waste of time. If you're serious about fixing the deficit, than raise taxes and cut spending.
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