XD not just here. i went to general and asked about OC's and what i thought they were and EVERYONE was right. like i couldnt say anything. then when i tried to explain i was an asshole and they wanted to report me for disagreeing... I cant start anything without people coming with an Auto "FUCK YOU" not that i have a problem with disagreement, just the extreme that ive seen here is weird. its like everyone is hiding behind the internet to insult people (not just me) and get away with it. not that I take it to heart I just find it...annoying that no ever even remotely agrees with anything. I mean not everything I think is wrong and most are opinions so, I dunno XD I just dont know anymore M.
I can't defend people in other forums. That being said, this is politics. We're not British pansies. To be blunt, if you can't keep your feelings from getting hurt by various ad hominem attacks, then you probably shouldn't be discussing politics, especially on the internet. I'd love a civil discussion. It just isn't going to happen.
They aren't private citizens as I've said before. They are in positions of power, and should be regulated according to their power. So owners of conglomerates should be VERY regulated. They have empires to run, they shouldn't be distracted by things like private jets or multiple house ownership.
I'm more fond of the idea of both the House and Senate working part time instead. You end up cutting their salary because they aren't working as much, you can cut a bit more as they no long have to own two homes but can instead try hotels or short term apartments, possibly spend less on traveling (oh look, an enviornmental side affect,) spend more time with family, and spend more time getting to know the people they represent and communicating with them as to what is going on.
The petition actually says to cut the pay of all members of Congress, not just Senators, and for a period of 3 years. This is supposed to "repay the National deficit". Let's look at the actual savings, shall we?
According to [link] members of Congress are paid $174,000/year, not counting 5 members in leadership positions who are paid slightly more. There are 435 Representatives and 100 Senators, for a total of 535 members of Congress. 530 of those are rank-and-file members making the above figure. Total savings for those members over 3 years is (174k - 75k) * 530 * 3 = $157,410,000.
The House and Senate majority and minority leaders are paid $193,400 each. Total savings for those 4 members are (193,400 - 75,000) * 4 * 3 = $1,420,800
The Speaker of the House is paid $223,500/year. Total savings for John Boehner over 3 years is (223,500-75,000) * 3 = $445,500.
Total savings by this petition is a whopping $159,276,300. Let's call it an even $160 million to make things simple.
The US government deficit for fiscal 2012, which ended on September 30, was $1.1 trillion dollars. That means that this scheme would "repay" just under one and one half ten thousandths of the 2012 deficit.
Yeah. That'll help. Now all we need are 10,000 savings opportunities just like that, and we'll be running surpluses.
The president doesn't give Senators pay raises. Compensation for the duties of US Congressmen is a bill for raising revenue, which is the sole duty of the US House of Representatives- please read Sec.6 and 7 under Article I of the US Constitution.
He hasn't even noticed that the scary executive order he talks about was issued pursuant to the statutes it cites. I.e., in setting rates of pay in this manner, he's just doing his job as he sees fit as Congress has already authorized him to do.
I have no plans of signing any petitions at this stage- but- this is not going to repay the national deficit!! You need to do some basic math here- Senators make $200k annually (per the last time they passed themselves a raise)- and even if they were going to pass a pay cut for themselves (the tea baggers/gop will fillibuster it to death) the grand total of savings would be a whopping $12.5 million. That's it. For a whole year. They can save that buying ONE LESS fighter jet for the airforce. If it's an F35- just HALF A JET! Which has a better chance passing Congress. Good luck
While that might make them look at the defect problem more seriously, it won't directly make a dent in the deficit, so I'd say it's a bit of a misnomer. The idea is to punish the senators and congressman for not fixing the deficit, right?
well romney wanted to take all our free to the public stuff...this is ort of like the rich taking not so big a hit so the country doesnt die.... i mean they still get to keep 75000 a year thats more than almost everyone. (every "normal" citizen. ie not famous or stupid rich)
You misunderstood me. It's a waste of time. Cutting Senator's pay won't do much of anything to balance the budget. Taxing people's incomes at Clinton-era levels if they make more than $200,000 a year is a way to do it. Slashing defense spending is another way. There's lots of ways to do it. This isn't one of them. This is just a waste of time. If you're serious about fixing the deficit, than raise taxes and cut spending.