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Women in the Air Force - Some General Questions

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TwilightSaint Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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Not sure whether to put this under 'Politics' or 'Help With Life,' since it pertains to both the military and seeking some advice. Anyhow...

I've been considering joining the military for a while now, and so far after the research I've done as well as talking to a few individuals, (a couple in the Air Force, a couple in other branches of the military,) the Air Force is my first choice. I have yet to speak to a recruiter about it, and would rather talk with some others who have been or are currently in the Air Force before I do so.

This post is aimed toward any other women who have been, currently are, or are considering joining the Air Force. Why did you join the Air Force over other branches? What was life in it? What were any positive or negative experiences you had? Would you consider making a career of it, or a career after it, and if so, what?

If this pertains to you and you'd be willing to answer some questions or talk about your experiences, any feedback is really appreciated. I also understand you may not want to post your experiences right on this forum post, so feel free to privately note me as well.

Serious answers from those who are or have been involved in the Air Force or other branches of the military, please. :) Thanks!

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EbolaBears Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013
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You need to read that


The investigation has found that 32 military training instructors allegedly engaged in inappropriate or coercive sexual relationships with 59 recruits and airmen at Lackland, according to the Air Force. Six instructors have been convicted in courts-martial on charges ranging from adultery, rape and conducting unprofessional relationships. Nine more instructors are awaiting courts-martial. Two more received nonjudicial punishments. Fifteen 15 instructors remain under investigation.
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FruitsOfHarvest Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Student General Artist
I'm army (national guard) I don't know much on Air force except the pt tests are ridiculously easy (that's what I heard at least), females can have pony ties, only officers can fly and the rest I'm not sure but I tend to see them at the security entrance at the base I go to for drill.
It also depends on if you want to know bout the basic training, your MOS possibilities, and if you want to be active, reserve, or NG

My biggest tip to you is who ever your recruiter is be careful with what they say. I got a strait foreword one. Others act like car sales men at times XD
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defense2 Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013
Not a female.

1) the USAF is the best branch for after military employment. (depending upon what you take as a AFSC)

2) Understand that the Air force comes before all other things, to include family.

3) Understand that General orders such as 1A make little sense other than you are a number, not a human being. (No sex, no alcohol, no porn.) These orders will likely be applied without reason and often times seem like a select few are allowed to ignore them... Because they are, because they are friends with the right people and others aren't complaining that high up the chain.

4) What you do out of uniform, does affect you.

5) What your friends and family do, can affect you, even off post.

6) Your commanders (NCO's and officers) can order you to break ties with friends and or family members (or lovers) and you must obey or face disciplinary action for bringing discredit to the uniform.

7) Expect to be treated as a number first, human second and only if they have a the time and you are in a good unit.

8) Sadly you will find that Christianity is pushed to the for front. I was forced to take part in group prayer... Our two Muslim members were forced to remain silent and take part. (the difference between what is said about equality and or freedom of religion and what reality really is.)

9) Document everything. If you get a itch in the back of your throat and go to the medics or seek any medical help what so ever... Do not leave the office without two copies of your reason for being there. (My medical unit lost my basic training paper work and my deployment paper work then blamed me for it.) Further should you later develop issues which could be related to the deployment... The VA is in a better position to help.

10) Unless you are totally down and out on luck... I would reconsider joining any branch of the military. It isn't what the recurters tell you it is like and it will not be fair.


Bonus.

ROEs are rules of engagement. They change daily. They can include being ordered to do nothing while men are huddled behind a jersey barrier taking fire. (the barrier is deteriorating under the fire) My father ran into this very same situation and was ordered not to return fire despite having the means to do so. (civilian considerations)

As stated above. you are a number, not a human being. You are expendable. It is for this reason and related reasons that I will not dawn the uniform again. Not until our military learns that you treat your soldiers as the pole of importance is our soldiers and countrymen above our allies, our allies above the civilians who choose to work in those nations (media, private contractors, ect) and these contractors from friendly nations above the local's.

Currently, the US soldier ranks around where the common cockroach can be found.
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FerricPlushy Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
The recruiter told me my menstrual cycle would attract hawks and the hawks would get pulled into the jet engine
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theGman0 Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Hobbyist
:iconreactionplz:
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FerricPlushy Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
was this close to being a pilot
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theGman0 Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Hobbyist
lolwut?
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FerricPlushy Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
I couldn't be a pilot because the recruiter said my menstrual cycle would attract birds of prey
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:iconthegman0:
theGman0 Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Hobbyist
:iconglarefaceplz: for real?
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:iconferricplushy:
FerricPlushy Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
no
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theGman0 Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Hobbyist
:iconlulfaceplz: I knew it.
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meanus Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013
women join, get knocked up...then taxpayers have a baby to pay for and a useless soldier. I been in the AF and watched it happen over and over and over
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ChakatBlackstar Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013
I call BS. If you were in the AF you'd be calling them airmen, not soldiers.
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Sheepy94 Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
meanus is a troll, don't mind him.
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meanus Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013
airmen are soldiers marines are soldiers the army is soldiers even sailors are soldiers
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RobStrand Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013
Army here. It's a very generalized statement, but sadly it does hold some merit of truth.

Also soldier is a universal term for all branches of service because it's non sexist. So as not to discriminate(according to my last sexual harassment prevention briefing)
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wolfos96 Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
As far as I know, we say airman. I have yet to hear someone call us "soldiers".
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:iconrobstrand:
RobStrand Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013
Well more civilians
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ChakatBlackstar Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013
Seriously? I'm all for equality, but that's ridiculous.
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RobStrand Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013
You should have seen the 2 hour power point presentation we got about the repeal of Don't Ask; Don't Tell. My unit also uses these harassment briefings as a forum to voice our latest off color jokes.
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Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
It's meanus. You were expecting truth?
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ChakatBlackstar Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013
Well, no, but if he's gonna troll he shouldn't screw up something so painfully obvious.
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Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
True, this.
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Verridith Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Professional General Artist
I say, go for it!

I'm currently planning to join the USAF with the goal of - someday - becoming a fighter pilot. The only requirement I must meet is to get a four year college degree, and then to become an officer. I'll be entering into the AF ROTC this year.

The most important thing is to never give up. If you want to fly, then fly; if you want to become a commander, a weapons instructor, anything you want - don't let anything stand in your way. I'm a tiny woman who just barely fits the height requirement, am often asked if I'm a pre-teen when I'm in my twenties; but I've never let anything stand in my way yet. I will attain my dreams, because I won't let life get in the way. Hold true to yours, put down the nay-sayers, and you can attain anything.

I'm not concerned about the issue of rape; from even the comments posted here, those in the military (AKA those who know what they're talking about) say that though it may have been a problem at one time, it's nothing to worry about any longer. Others I've talked to have said the same. It's sad to think that a school - a place that's supposed to be safe for those learning students - can be more violent than a military base.

It also amazes me how patriotic people in this topic are. :'P I love my country; if you don't love the country you live in, then you should get the fuck out.

Just my opinion. Sorry for the language. (;

Good luck~!
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Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
"I love my country; if you don't love the country you live in, then you should get the fuck out."

Because you're only patriotic if you support your country playing world dictator and conqueror all over the place with rampant war crimes to "save" people who don't want us there, in the name of greed. Natch.

You can't possibly be the sort of 100% patriotic person who supports the military only being used for actual defense and humanitarian missions. As in, what the military actually should be used for. Naw.

I'd note that the one time a foreign power actually made a major attack on the US in recent times, we failed to stop it despite having ample, ample warnings to do so that multiple military and intelligence agencies were too dumb to act on properly. I sure feel safe!
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RobStrand Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013
If anything the military will open your eyes to the world. You will see just how ass backwards everything is. Asshats run and ruin everything and their is nothing you can say or do about it. You will see waste beyond your wildest dreams. Millions pissed away on a daily basis.

I get lied to daily, told different, and blamed for someone else's errors and you are treated like the one at fault. I swear every day I wake up to the feeling of piss on my back with everyone standing over me saying "Hey Strand! Guess what! It's raining today!" And then the constant monotonous tug of war battle with your fellow soldiers over something as simple as who mops a floors. I kid you not. I saw a fist fight break out because his X-box lost connection.

You see people do the dumbest thing and try to cover it up or try to get away with it. Like the Jackass who stole over $600,000 in optics from an arms room in our battalion. 10 years in Leavenworth. Or the moron who snorted a bad batch of bath salts and is now in a straight jacket at the Funny Farm. It boggles your mind at the shear stupidity.
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Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Who needs the military for that? Retail will do it plenty for you.

Really, I used to be the most doormat-ish, idealistic, wanting to help people, nice person until I worked in retail for 7 years. Now I... still am idealistic and want to help people, but it's tempered with a whole lotta cynicism and anger. And a lot of your stuff sounds like the sort of things I dealt with, just less blowing stuff up involved. (I'd say "And also less piss", except oh god, cleaning the bathrooms...)

At least you get to kill at least some of the people who annoy you... I can't kill the employees OR the customers. Sadness.

Random aside: Also, I remember the days when "bath salts" actually meant bath salts. In fact, I remember being totally perplexed the first time I heard about bath salts in the drug sense. "Er, are we talking those little cubes of stuff that dissolve in your bath and make your bath water all nice and pretty-smelling and lotiony? Snorting those seems a little weird even by druggie standards."
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RobStrand Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013
Retail will not quite work you to the bone as the military will do. It's the most stressful and thankless job in the world.

You have no idea how badly I wish I could have killed my former roommate, his jackass friend, and the asshole who borrowed money from me and wrote me a bad check in return and then skipped town.
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theGman0 Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Hobbyist
Damn, that sucks.
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RobStrand Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013
The worst part of the whole story was I was called in by the CID for check fraud. Apparently I was not the first person he wrote a bad check to that people had cashed. over 20 other people with a total of $6000 stolen.

All's well that ends well I suppose he is in a minimum security prison for 5 years for fraud.
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theGman0 Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Hobbyist
Serves him right.
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Verridith Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013  Professional General Artist
Oh, I didn't say I loved my drunk monkey king of a president, no- ;P I do despise the government. However, a country's more than politics. I wouldn't live in any other place in the world.

I just hope my faith in humanity is restored four years from now - was sure shattered this election!
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Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I don't think I'd be happy with any other place in the world... but that doesn't mean any improvement isn't necessary.

And, I know, it's totes disappointing that humanity rejected anti-intellectual plutocrats who hate everyone that's not a white, rich, cis, straight, male, WASP, and want to play world warmonger. However shall we recover?
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Verridith Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013  Professional General Artist
Oh, I agree. Improvement is needed - but that's no reason to put down the people or the places. The government may suck, but someday it'll improve. (...we hope.)

I've no problem with the color of one's skin, their sexual preference or anything else; except for intelligence. Right now, the current administration's ill-gotten leader has a distinct lack of it. As long as a president is smart and actually knows what they're doing, I don't care if it's a giant purple chimera with decidedly orange hair!
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Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
"Right now, the current administration's ill-gotten leader has a distinct lack of it."

Because doing all the things needed to improve our country for more than just the 1%, and succeeding little by little despite Republican cockblocking to protect their rich friends, is "unintelligent". Uh-huh.
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Verridith Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Professional General Artist
Heheh, oh, I see. Tax hikes on the poor, more unemployed than working, budget cuts for our military, shit for healthcare, overbearing government spending, a national debt in the trillions that is making no move to go down... Forgive me if I fail to see how our country is 'improving' with the things this creature is doing.

I've no desire to speak with the ignorant liberals of the world. Please, go back to your political fantasies and your monkey kings; I have a job to return to, and real life to oversee.
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Mclandis Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Tax hikes on the poor

What tax hikes? The ones on people making over $400k a year?

more unemployed than working

So unemployment is now greater than 50%?

budget cuts for our military

Cry me a river. Everyone else has been getting the brunt of the cuts for years while the military has been this untouchable sacred cow. The DoD can sustain some cuts without hurting too much.

shit for healthcare

Not the government's fault.

overbearing government spending on the military

Fixed.
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Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
"Tax hikes on the poor,"

Tax cuts = tax hikes? Here we go with the retarded conservative dictionary.

Also, guess who wanted to raise taxes on the poor, while cutting benefits, cutting wages, and raising interest on student loans, and basically massively hurting the poor? The guy who lost. Lol hypocrisy.

"more unemployed than working,"

Because guess who keeps cockblocking job stimulus? The party of the guy who lost. Lol hypocrisy.

"budget cuts for our military,"

Guess you keeps complaining about how we need to cut government spending? The party of the guy who lost.

Oh, but, it's totes OK when it's everyone else's government job that gets cut, even though they were providing necessary services that were already understaffed as it is.

But when it's YOUR job that's on the chopping block, even though most of our military is vastly overkill for our defense needs, suddenly cutting government spending is totes bad.

Lol hypocrisy.

"shit for healthcare,"

Guess who wanted to make healthcare even more unaffordable? The party of the guy that lost. Lol hypocrisy.

Also, you don't receive government healthcare, right? You have fully private insurance you pay for entirely yourself, I trust? None of that government-provided military healthcare for you, of course?

"overbearing government spending,"

Which could be reduced tomorrow if we upgraded our infrastructure to be more modern/efficient, implemented the single-payer healthcare which costs thousands less per person in every other country, raised wages so nobody working needed government assistance, provided free birth control and comprehensive sex ed that would reduce the unwanted pregnancies that cost us 11 billion a year, etc. etc.? Most of which spending is, in a nutshell, due entirely to the economy which is being cockblocked from fixes?

Know who's against all that and doing the fix cockblocking? That's right, the party of the guy that lost.

Guess whose VP nominee offered a plan that would massively increase our spending and deficit? Again, that's right, the party of the guy that lost.

Lol hypocrisy.

"a national debt in the trillions that is making no move to go down..."

Guess which party tried to block the tax increases that would help the deficit go down? Do I even have to say it?

"Forgive me if I fail to see how our country is 'improving' with the things this creature is doing."

Yay, retardedly lying that your party's actions are magically Obama's fault!

"I've no desire to speak with the ignorant liberals of the world."

So understanding what happens in actual reality = ignorant. I love the retarded conservative dictionary, I really do.

"Please, go back to your political fantasies"

Reality = fantasies. Lol. More retarded dictionary.

"I have a job to return to,"

You're lucky being cannon fodder pays, because you're too fucking dumb to get anything else.
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yeahgirl11 Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Sorry to seem like a stalker, but I loved this comment. :lol: It's so true.
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Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Stalk all you like, and thank you. :3

I honestly hate that DA's idiot forum style means that doing the normal action of responding to something someone said in a thread that wasn't directed at you can be considered "stalking" even in jest.

But, in any case, to sum up: "My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right."
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yeahgirl11 Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Haha you're welcome. :B

I know right? I usually stay away from the forums because I don't like them for that reason, among others. :paranoid:

And indeed. :nod:
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Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I don't know why I come here sometimes myself.
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yeahgirl11 Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
You're everywhere. :XD: I've come across you a few times since I've been on dA. lol
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Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
When we did the whole "dress up as Indians and Pilgrims" bit for a Thanksgiving in school, my Indian name was "Princess Running Brook".
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Crotale Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
Okay, I'm going to contribute here, since I have been serving my country via the USAF for over 25 years. The concerns over rape or sexual misconducts are valid, however, I must address this in a more objective manner. For one thing, in recent studies, over 15% of women attending college report that they were raped or otherwise molested. This is higher than the percentage of rapes of women reported in the military. Another notable is the fact that the military provides sensitivity training as an annual requirement. This is why there are a high number of cases accounted for each year in the military. Plus, the military generally does not need to go through the civilian courts in order to hold a military member accountable, and, sentences and punishment (and/or rehabilitation) are usually affected much quicker than in civilian courts.
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Ixal Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
:iconskysealer: has just finished training in the Air Force. You might want to send her a note about her experiences. Just don't go into details.
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OrangeKrissy Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
After reading all this I would think the Coast Guard would be a better branch to work for. You won't be on a big base or warship with lots of horny men. I think the Coast Guard would be a more close knit group as they are in much smaller bases and smaller boats.
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EbolaBears Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013
The Coast Guard is mostly men!
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OrangeKrissy Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013
I'm sure but there are more women in the coast guard by percentage than any other service I think.
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Abstract-Mindser Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
Perhaps even joining up to work with the Core of Engineers.
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