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So... Puerto Rico.

:iconthenaughticallife:
TheNAUGHTicalLife Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Professional Writer
Since the majority vote, I haven't heard much about Puerto Rico reaching statehood. My questions are:

Is the US government going to pass statehood soon? If not, when?
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How do you think the US government will handle Puerto Rico once it does become a state?

Bonus question:
Is statehood a good thing for Puerto Rico/ the US?
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:iconcybereaglewarrior:
CyberEagleWarrior Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Student Interface Designer
Bring 'em in. Change the flags!
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:iconjackmolotov3:
JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
"Is the US government going to pass statehood soon? If not, when?"

Looks like they voted to join, excellent
[link]

Thats the US constitution's rules on new states. Not specific. Puerto Rico is certainly eligible for statehood. I found this:
"
1. A territory petitions Congress.
2. The dependent area drafts a constitution with a republican form of government.
3. Congress must approve statehood by a simple majority.
4. The President must sign the bill."
from here,
[link]

I know the Puerto Rican public has approved statehood, but has the territorial government drafted a State constitution, or petitioned congress yet?

"How do you think the US government will handle Puerto Rico once it does become a state?"
Same as any other state. Puerto Rico is already US soil, and Puerto Ricans have been American citizens for a very long time. They have their own National Guard, and most state level functions in a territorial government.

Not much will change, except people in the soon to be 51 states, will actuall hear more about PR, because it will be relevant in national politics.
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:iconthenaughticallife:
TheNAUGHTicalLife Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Professional Writer
They HAVE petitioned congress but I haven't heard anything about their constitution.

Also, they ARE US citizens but they don't get exactly the same rights as the rest of us. Weird. :/
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:iconjackmolotov3:
JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
they do have a territory constitution. It has the prerequisite requirements of republicanism, democracy, and all the jazz
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:iconblack-allison:
Black-Allison Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013
Don't they live under taxation without fair representation right now?
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:iconthenaughticallife:
TheNAUGHTicalLife Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Professional Writer
Nope. They don't pay US taxes.
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:iconblack-allison:
Black-Allison Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013
Huh. I'm not very versed in this, but what does the States have to gain from another State? Aside from an confusing problem with the flag.
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:iconthenaughticallife:
TheNAUGHTicalLife Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Professional Writer
Taxation; control of resources and ports, larger influence at the isles. It's like the Alaska boundary dispute but more important.
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:iconincandescentinsanity:
IncandescentInsanity Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Student General Artist
But then there will be 51 stars on the flag and that will look weird
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:iconcake-fiend:
cake-fiend Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
But think of how much it will stimulate the flag making industry.
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:iconincandescentinsanity:
IncandescentInsanity Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Student General Artist
True! Those poor bastards are suffering
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:iconthenaughticallife:
TheNAUGHTicalLife Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Professional Writer
Foreigners coming in and messing with my flag!
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:iconjeysie:
Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I dunno, I think this one: [link] from the Statehood movement itself: [link] looks kind of awesome.
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:iconincandescentinsanity:
IncandescentInsanity Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Student General Artist
The non circle one looks better because it uses the rectangular space better, I think
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:iconjeysie:
Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Ironically the top one is really just our current flag's design with one more star, more or less.
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:iconincandescentinsanity:
IncandescentInsanity Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Student General Artist
Yeah. Don't fix what isn't broken I guess. They're just in really neat rows in the current one though
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:iconebolabearvomit:
EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013
:iconpsychrophyte: is upset I dismissed his 1950's bullshit and blocked me:rofl: :iconhardgayplz:

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:iconthenaughticallife:
TheNAUGHTicalLife Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Professional Writer
Thanks to his Wikipedia dump I found some helpfully debasing arguments.
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:iconno-doves-fly-here:
no-doves-fly-here Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013
In regards to Omega's post, I wasn't aware that making no retort whatsoever and simply telling somebody to 'get over it' constitutes as a legitimate dismissal of one's argument. And upset? Contrarily that would be you and him, as evidenced by your desire to make a separate comment chain bawling about my block in a circle-jerk fashion. I blocked him because I do not tolerate responses which do not make some attempt at an in-depth discussion.

Furthermore I cannot help but find Omega's spiteful wailing to be ironic considering his history of blocking people who are actually putting forth legitimate debates, as a cop-out method.

"...Wikipedia dump..."

The only people who condescend the usage of Wikipedia are those who do not know how to use the site and have no idea what a reference is.

"...I found some helpfully debasing arguments."

So instead of actually providing these debasing arguments so that we could have had a legitimate debate of some sort, you babbled on with an irrelevant analogy about Axe body spray.

Okay.
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:iconebolabearvomit:
EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013
Nice!
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:iconthenaughticallife:
TheNAUGHTicalLife Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Professional Writer
That's :iconpsychrophyte:, everyone.
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:iconthenaughticallife:
TheNAUGHTicalLife Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Professional Writer
Psychrophyte blocked me too after a valiant attempt at insults. I think that guy may be a bit unhinged. :/
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:iconebolabearvomit:
EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013
I think he's easily upset this week or something.
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:iconjeysie:
Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I think he went off his meds.

He used to actually be halfway comprehensible, ages ago. Now he's just sort of lost it.
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:iconebolabearvomit:
EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
"they" got to him.
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:iconjeysie:
Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
:lol:
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:iconjeysie:
Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Considering that according to him I'm your groupie even though I've never met you before this thread (hi, by the way), while he claims you somehow support things that happened in another thread you didn't participate in and never heard of, and he and his groupie have thoroughly derailed yet another thread off-topic bitching about me at length, while I'm bad for making... one initial comment about them...

You only think he's unhinged? You're far more gracious than I.
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:iconthenaughticallife:
TheNAUGHTicalLife Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Professional Writer
Hello!

I don't know. He's 20, maybe just really angsty or insecure. I'm not here to judge, only enjoy the insanity.
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:iconjeysie:
Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Hopefully he'll grow out of it, though surrounding himself with groupies that enable his insanity doesn't make that terribly likely.
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:icondragonquestwes:
DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013
Said the person who hasn't grown out of using memes like "white knight" and "butthurt."
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:iconouroboroscobra:
OuroborosCobra Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013
The Puerto Rico legislature submitted their official request for statehood in mid December www.puertoricoreport.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/2012-concurrent-resolution.pdf

Likely, this was intentionally not taken up by the last session of Congress, as they had some big ticket stuff on their plate that needed to happen before it closed. Some of which they didn't get to (Sandy aid). I imagine this will be taken up by the current congressional session, which has just opened its two year tenure.

Expect a vote anytime in the next two years.
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:iconthenaughticallife:
TheNAUGHTicalLife Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Professional Writer
Haha oh they got to the Sandy aid, they just didn't like it.
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:iconouroboroscobra:
OuroborosCobra Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013
No, they did not. The last session of congress ended with the Speaker walking off the floor without allowing a vote to be taken. The aid passed since is nowhere equal to that request or equivalent to other Sandy level disasters, such as Katrina or Andrew.
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:iconjeysie:
Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Just remember, two of the best states in generating income for the US economy, don't deserve to get some of the federal funds they've been contributing steadily all this time compared to the red states, after they got hit by a hurricane, whose effects were made worse by climate change and other factors the government refused to spend money to address.

:dummy:
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:iconthenaughticallife:
TheNAUGHTicalLife Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Professional Writer
They punted it. They got to it but they didn't vote on it because they (Reps) didn't want to.
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:iconouroboroscobra:
OuroborosCobra Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013
They did not get it. The bill on the floor that the Speaker refused a vote on was for upwards of $50b. It wasnn't that a few people did not want to vote for it, a vote was not allowed to even take place. What has been passed is enough to allow FEMA to keep functioning for a few more weeks, only about $9b.
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:iconthenaughticallife:
TheNAUGHTicalLife Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Professional Writer
Yes, they 'punted' it. They COULD have had a vote but the Boner (ELOHEL) ended the session. It was on the floor.
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:iconouroboroscobra:
OuroborosCobra Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013
Glad you are no longer claiming "they got it"
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:iconthenaughticallife:
TheNAUGHTicalLife Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Professional Writer
Oh they got it, they just didn't get it in.
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:iconjeysie:
Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
The actual vote on letting PR in would be fairly simple, I'd think, especially since AFAIK it's one of the few things both sides actually agree on.

As for other changes... there'd have to be structural changes to fold PR into our system of taxation, government structure, regulations/standards, and so on. They'd also get 2 Senators. And we'd have a new flag. Nothing that earth-shattering or surprising.

The tricky part to predict is how they'd shuffle around to fit in the number of House representatives PR would get. Not sure if they'd shuffle things around across the board to stay under the current mandated limit of 435 total for the country, or go through an amendment to raise the limit.
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:iconmgonzales041090:
mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
There's a mandated limit? I thought it grew in correspondence with the population! Doesn't Puerto Rico get equal representation? /confusedplz
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:iconjeysie:
Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Nope.

There's a hard limit of 435, though it is congressional and not constitutional. Meanwhile, PR's current Rep right now isn't allowed to officially vote on anything, so right now they don't count towards the limit.

Granted, I can see the purpose of a limit; if we matched the "one per 35,000 people rule" (I think that's the number) we'd have almost 10,000 Reps. It'd be like trying to get a small city to convene, discuss, and agree on anything. I think our current limit could still be larger, though.

But, in any case, it leaves open the question if they'll raise the limit by at least one, or reshuffle everyone to figure out which state to take a Rep from.
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:iconthenaughticallife:
TheNAUGHTicalLife Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Professional Writer
I keep wondering about the language. I imagine it'd become bilingual with English being primary for ed/gov.
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:iconjeysie:
Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I doubt that would change much if at all, honestly. I would expect (though I admit I don't know for sure) PR to already be unofficially bilingual to some degree if only to handle tourism and official correspondence with the English-speaking mainland, and the US has no official language for them to conform to.

If the Puerto Ricans really wanted to elect people who only spoke Spanish and have one party or the other hire translators for every interaction with any of their English-only coworkers, I've no doubt there will some mainland folks that find it annoying, but AFAIK it wouldn't be breaking any official federal rules.

Well, unless you meant culturally rather than legally... in which case, sure, I suspect they might become more equally bilingual if only for convenience's sake.
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:iconebolabearvomit:
EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013
There is probably a political process that goes beyond a mere vote.
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:iconthenaughticallife:
TheNAUGHTicalLife Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Professional Writer
Yeah, that's why I asked about the US side of the 'process.'
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:iconebolabearvomit:
EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013
It probably has to go to Congress. But I am not sure. There aren't many States added recently:P
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:iconno-doves-fly-here:
no-doves-fly-here Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013
I am for Puerto Rican independence as an autonomous state of their own, not as a colony or a US state.
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:iconebolabearvomit:
EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013
The people of PR did not vote for independence.
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:iconswordofscotland:
SwordOfScotland Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013
I am voting for an Independent Palestinian/Puerto Rican state.
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