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Evil is Good?

:iconnickkartha:
NickKartha Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
All throughout history, there has been evil and without this evil, today would not have been possible.

A recent incident that has taken place in India is the gangrape of a woman which was over emphasized by the media. This type of incident was nothing particularly new but this specific one triggered a national outburst that led to the laws being passed that protects women

Is it wrong to be thankful for all the evil that has happened to shape the world?
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:iconproductno49:
productno49 Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Professional General Artist
good and evil play both a part in progress.
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:iconcenaris:
Cenaris Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
No such thing as good and evil, just manmade preconceptions and points of view.
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der-freishutz Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
You wouldnt need that movement in the first place if that evil did not exist at all. You are thankful for the reation to it, not the act itself. No im not thankful for any genocide, war crime or tragady. If you are, then you are one fucked up person.
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TortelliniPen Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013
I'm not thankful for evil, but I do think that if there wasn't evil in the world then we wouldn't have any standard to know what "good" is.
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UncleGargy Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
They mention that poor woman but no-one knows her real name. But they also won't mention that another Indian lady was gang raped and told by the police that she has to marry one of her rapists. How come that is not in the news?
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ladiespet Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013
How did you hear about it? Was it in the news?
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:iconunclegargy:
UncleGargy Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes, in the news. But there are many cases like this in India. A religious cleric even said that if she had been 'nice' to her attackers she might have lived. Says it all really about societies like that :-(
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miletich2 Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Wherever evil strikes, good steps in to stop it. And wherever good thrives, evil lurks. They can't mix together but can't exist without each other.
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:iconjeysie:
Jeysie Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I prefer doing things right the first time, by anticipating and accounting for likely problems.

The problem is that everyone just ignores you and does none of your recommendations until the problem actually happens, by which time it's too late to do anything but say "I told you so" and prevent the next time... which is small consolation to the person whose purpose in life was to serve as an example to others.
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:iconnickkartha:
NickKartha Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
That's exactly right.
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:iconbytestream:
Bytestream Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
No.
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delusionalHamster Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
There are no evil people, only evil acts committed by disturbed people.

What is considered "evil" is not a black-and-white issue either. Actions must always be placed in the cultural context of their time.

Also, just because your intents are good doesn't mean your acts can't still be evil.

That's pretty much all I have to say on the subject.
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:iconthegman0:
theGman0 Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist
I think this should be in Philosophy & Religion.
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:iconnickkartha:
NickKartha Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
No, this is highly political. I guess it's political philosophy. We're not talking about evil, we're talking about history.
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:iconthegman0:
theGman0 Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist
History of what?
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:iconnickkartha:
NickKartha Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
of humanity, security and rights
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:iconthegman0:
theGman0 Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013  Hobbyist
Nope.
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:iconnickkartha:
NickKartha Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
nope?
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:iconthegman0:
theGman0 Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013  Hobbyist
Yep. Your comment was pretty much :iconallthethingplz:

What kind of reply did you expect to receive?
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:iconnickkartha:
NickKartha Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
mmh...I like turtles?
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Bullet-Magnet Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
No. It shakes people out of apathy, but apathy is also wrong. Two wrongs are therefore making a right, but the one wrong only exists because the other wrong allowed it to.

It's all a big cluster-fuck of wrong that miraculously shits out a right, but that right should have been there from the start.
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Black-Allison Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
Well it was illegal then too, it's just now that it happened in plain daylight in a big city it really smacks you in the face. Like if some girl got raped out in the mountains and Kentucky we'd be like "that's tragic." If a girl got raped in New York City on the bus on the way to home during the day you'd say "Where is the world coming to?!"

The truly sad thing is we have to re-enforce these things. Laws are a reaction.
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CometColt Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, one can't have good without evil, and vice versa.
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:iconallocer2009:
Allocer2009 Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
You had me thinking of Dungeon Keeper :aww:
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:iconunvalanced:
Unvalanced Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Best game ever.

Well, no, Dwarf Fortress is better. But Dwarf Fortress wouldn't exist without Dungeon Keeper.
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AbCat Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012   Writer
There's no such thing as evil.
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:iconendeavor-to-freefall:
It only appears that evil brings good because it highlights the lack of something in the first place.
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alzircon Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm not familiar with Indian laws, but the way you worded it made it seem like India was totally cool with gangraping women up until this recent event.:stare:
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CherylBlanche Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
From what I've heard from someone who lived there and has family there, that's actually true for an appalling amount of men and women even within the government and law enforcement. Furthermore, the rape victim is then ostracized if she goes public about it because she is viewed to have lost her purity, she is deemed unfit for marriage, and that's somehow deemed her fault on top of it, so she's put down and ignored by law enforcement moat often.
One person in law enforcement has stated things as outrageous as: "It's her fault she must have smiled at them."
Apparently a lot of people in law enforcement are people that have broken plenty laws themselves, so it's like being guarded by the devil from not even himself.
Needless to say, when my hubby was done recounting what he knew and links for news on the subject, I was about ready to become a suicide bomber for the cause, because it doesn't seem like these people understand anything but respect through force.
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alzircon Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Holy fucking jumping shitballs.:stare:

I can kind of understand the purity shit, since the whole of humanity glorified virginity since the dawn of time. But shunning her, blaming her? What the fucking fuck. I know Muslim countries are horrible in that sense that they lash and/or stone their women for being raped, but I thought India has progressed from that a bit more.

And the whole "unfit for marriage" bit just pissed me off personally. As if a "woman's purpose" is to be a wife and bear children. Then people wonder why I reject Indians as suitors...when the majority of them think they're complementing me by saying You're gonna be a good wife some day.:|
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Jeysie Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I've never understood why virginity is prized so much.

Usually if you're a woman who's a virgin past the age of your early 20s, it means either you're ultra-religious (and so not going to be much fun) or nobody wants to fuck you (which means you're basically a total hideous freak, as you have to have something really wrong with you to overcome the big attraction advantage of being a woman).
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Cailst Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013
I've read that women are more likely to be fertile the first time. Also, if the woman was a virgin, the man is more assured that the children are his own.
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Jeysie Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
You read a myth. A woman's fertility is based on her menstrual cycle and internal factors, not on how many times she's done it.

The theory that a woman losing her virginity is more likely to not have arranged reliable birth control for the act than an already sexually active woman, is a more likely explanation for any bias towards women getting pregnant from their first time. (If there is any such bias; I honestly don't know.)

And, if a woman is so ugly/undesirable that she can't get laid, why would you want her to bear your children?
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alzircon Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I know, it's so silly. Like having a dick in you is such a big deal and totally the business of other.:lol:

I didn't lose my virginity until I was 21. Partly because I was raised in a religious environment and because I'm very picky with my men.:giggle:
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Jeysie Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I fall under the "freak who's always friendzoned" category. At this point I'm pretty sure that I'm never going to find a guy interested in me, and if I do, he'll instantly dump me the second he finds out I'm a virgin, because he's going to wonder what the fuck is wrong with me that a woman my age who's agnostic never got laid.
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:iconalzircon:
alzircon Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You have some self esteem issues you should work on. Mainly, your confidence.:hug:
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:iconjeysie:
Jeysie Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
How else am I supposed to react to nobody ever asking me out, and almost everyone I ask out telling me they "think of me as a sister/friend"?

My ex-boyfriend only dated me because he'd just broken up with his girlfriend, and dumped me to go back out to her when she made up with him. And my ex-girlfriend dumped me because, essentially, she got bored with me.

I'm not sure how I'm supposed to have any self-esteem from that.

And if you found out someone you were dating was in their 30s, wasn't religious, and wasn't just overly picky/asexual/not interested, yet was still a virgin, what would you conclude? Especially if they're a woman, in a society in which even the feminists act like any woman with even a slight amount of attractiveness can get laid any time she wants and gets lots of male attention?

Like I said, not sure how I'm supposed to have a lot of self-esteem here.
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CherylBlanche Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
In India there are still arranged marriages, though certain areas have a modern version for it so the 2 meet and talk for literally half h before then they let their parents know whether it's a yes or no. And they can pick among what suitors their parents pick. Because family is that involved, it's actually deemed shameful towards the whole family to be associated with the event, so even her family would want to convince her to keep it secret.
So by unfit for marriage I meant a lot of traditional families wouldn't accept her even if she wanted it.
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alzircon Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I know about arranged marriages (which is bull in my opinion), but seriously. How is it shameful to be violated? How is it the victim's fault. It is the rapist that should be shunned, hated, lashed and killed as far as I'm concerned. I need to stop thinking about backwards countries' traditions and laws, it really pisses me off and New Year is only a few hours away.:stare:
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:iconcherylblanche:
CherylBlanche Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013
It's disturbing yes. :saddummy:
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CherylBlanche Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
most*
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WolfySpice Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
No. No it isn't. Talking about these issues is good. One would have to be a sadist to choose such evil as a means to spark discussion as a nation. Though it often is the case because people reach a breaking point.
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Solum-Ipsum Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Oppan, Gangrape-style! :icongangnam-styleplz: (yes, I'm a monster)

Anyway, it's arguable that these laws aren't just another act of evil. See the idea of problem-reaction-solution: [link]
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:iconempiredice:
empiredice Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
How about education is good? The laws don't progress because of "evil" they progress because of new information and the spreading of it. You can't stitch a cut you don't know you have.
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NickKartha Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
yeah. that's a better notion. thank you.
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