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School is a factory

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Rabbit-EYE Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2012
I know this is probably riddled with errors, so I please ask you to point out anything wrong with what I am saying. But please, don't be an ass about it. :heart:

School is there for the country, not you. We go there, because they wanna make geniuses, and intellectuals. I mean, people say education is important. And when I ask "why?", I obviously get the reply; "to get into college, silly!".
Now, why does college demand I need these things? Well, that's obvious, to weed out the "dropouts". People who don't go to college tend to have horrible jobs, or worse- no jobs at all.

And now, seeing as we are in this recession, it's even worse. People are busting their humps, swallowing mass amounts of Alegebra, Science, and whatever so they can survive. That concept is just... ugh. The difference between you living a successful life, or you being a wino on the street all comes down to how well you studied Shakespeare and Pythagoras' theorem. And I won't even mention how pointless most of it is to you. I mean, if you wanna be an engineer, you gotta know math. But why Shakespeare? Or if you wanna be a language teacher, why maths? Or American History?
You don't, do you?

Also, I read a few places, that homework is pointless. Apparently, giving it to a under-14 year old, damages their desire to learn.

Like I said, it's not there so you can be an artist, or an accountant, or a computer genius-whiz. It's there so that (insert country here) can have as many geniuses and what not as possible, is it not? And the worst part, is that it fails fabulously. I mean, back when I was a tyke, I loved math, english, and learning in general. I read encyclopedias in my spare time, at the age of eight, for crying out loud.

School was great up until, say... second class. We were forced to go through the motions, math, english, history of (insert country here), and so forth. And it wasn't the fun way, either. We sat there, motionless, as the jar-headed lug talked on for a while, until we eventually were set work. And of course, we were too bored to work. So we goofed off, ignored him, and talked. What is generally important about school for the average kid, is getting to see their friends, and lunch times.

Now, fast forward to age 17, and- Ugh.
Too long, don't read.

*School is there to make geniuses, not to help you get the job you want

*School sucks

*School fails for the most part in it's intended purpose.

*The only people who excel in school are the people who are genuinely interested, or at least have the personallity of learning the stuff, despite hating it.

Now tell me where I went wrong, and what I missed, if you'd please.
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HallowpointPaws Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I would have commited sucide a LONG time ago if my parents didn't pull me out to homeschool me when they did.
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JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
forgot to post this.

The next "mario savio" is born :D

He said the same thing responding to the words of Berkley university president Clark Kerr as written in his book "Uses of a university"

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just some interesting history.

instead of the steps outside a hall somewhere, its on teh intarwebbings
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Dashing-Tophat Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013
I soooo agree with this.

I mean.

All they want is people to make money for them by getting the good jobs.
The other slower people who don't learn well, learn a different way, or people who don't want an education at all just get crappy jobs.

Or if worst comes to worst they're homeless! It just does not make sense why its so important.

And I know. An education is good to have but, I say if you want to learn it then you can learn it but if your not interested in learning something you dont want to learn then you shouldn't have to!

And the other thing is the becca bill.
I understand that abusive parents should be taken care of but not all parents are abusive. So if the child doesn't go to school for a certain amount of days I don't think they should be sent to juvenille detention for it. And I don't think the adult should be put in jail either.
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stoneman123 Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You're kind of right. School is like a factory, if only in the regards that it attempts to mass-produce persons of identical education. All students are presented the same curriculum in the same fashion in the same setting, which works fine for some of them, but is not ideal for many more. Humans are much too diverse to "mass produce" effectively.

One thing you have failed to realize is that education is not to make "geniuses," it's to make competent workers. You realize that without education, we would not have anybody capable of designing or building the modern conveniences we enjoy, like roads, buildings, electronics, automobiles, and so forth. We need scientists to discover the laws of nature, engineers to apply them to an end, technicians and laborers to build them, businessmen to invest in them, and so forth. Don't forget the history of compulsory education, either. If children didn't have to go to school, they would instead go get jobs in factories in mines to help support their families, and then there would be a dearth of jobs for adults.

Now, one of the reasons we start children off on a general course of education and then allow them, as young adults, to choose their specific, career-oriented education is because the latter choice is of the life-altering gravity that cannot be trusted to children. If you grow up to be a linguist, you may never find a use for what you learned in High School algebra, but I'm sure plenty of linguists didn't know they wanted to be linguists until High School at the very least. Many people change their minds as late as a few years into college. If you decided you wanted to be a linguist after your first week in Kindergarten and only took relevant courses, you'd be in quite a pickle if you changed your mind later. You would have completely wasted your time, and you'd be going back into elementary level math courses alongside children half your age. A broad, comprehensive education allows for flexibility.

Homework isn't pointless, either. Practicing the material after hearing it the first time is an indispensible tool for retention. It's no fun at all, but anything worth doing requires an investment of time and labor. That, more than anything, is a lesson children ought to learn as soon as possible. You must include homework as part of the grade, too, as it separates those who realize they have to work hard to get ahead from those who choose to slack off, as well as forcing them to practice the material and retain it more effectively.
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Rabbit-EYE Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013
Ah, Stoneman.

Glad to see you post, dude.

Now, I should mention, that most of the crap I said on that was mostly written on rage. Not a smart idea, but I am kinda suffering for it now.

Anyway, I see your points. I guess I am just one of those people who school isn't ideal for. I'm better of teaching myself the guitar, rather than learning via a teacher. I had a ukulele teacher once... Eventually, I hated her. She drained the fun outta it, with her damn Beatles songs, and such. She made it a chore.

I guess what I am trying to say is that the whole formal, and monotonous method of school education isn't effective against me. I can't focus in a class of any amount, while some geezer talks our ears off. I learn better either on my own, or if I don't like a topic (say, I am learning French. Rather than learning by listening to the teacher tell me to take crap off the board, I'd be better to be given the phrases on a sheet, and write them over and over. It's how I was shown to learn in kindergarten.
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stoneman123 Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
And I'm glad to learn I've got some recognition around here! You were the one with whom I had that discussion of the brony study, the hypocritical socialist, and other such things, yes? It took me a while to remember; it seems an awful long time ago.

I guess I am just one of those people who school isn't ideal for. I'm better of teaching myself the guitar, rather than learning via a teacher

Yes, that's why I agree that school is kind of like a factory. Some children can learn very well by sitting in a desk, taking lecture notes, doing homework, etc., but others do better with other methods, like independent study, in your case. I think it might be a good idea to subject children to a battery of tests upon entering school to determine what methods might be most effective. Unfortunately, I'm not to well versed in the field of educational psychology, and even without it, the logistics of such a system terrify me. American schools are already underfunded, these days, and implementing the new system would require a complete overhall, along with the re-training or additional hiring of staff.

I'd be hard pressed to think compulsory public education will ever be consistently fun, but it could at least stand to improve.
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Rabbit-EYE Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013
I see your point. Carlin said it best. "It's never gonna change, be happy with what you got."

Wow, I am quoting that dude a lot lately.

Also, thanks for remembering me! ^^ You wouldn't happen to be a Less Wrong Contributor, would you? You sound like one.

And thanks for the info, dude.
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stoneman123 Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Amazingly, I'm not quite as cynical as George Carlin. I believe it may well change, with regards to our education system, but it will take a great deal of time, money, and effort, and we need it right now.

Anyway, what's "Less Wrong?" I don't contribute for them, obviously. Is that some internet publication?
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Rabbit-EYE Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013
It is a collective of rationalists which donate to the singularity society and write articles on how to be rational and not fuck up.

Me writing this article, and the amount of blunders in it, for example. That was a major screw up.

You'd probably like it. Check it out!

Oh, and while I am talking to you, what do you think about the "Alicorn Twilight" rumor?
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stoneman123 Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I will check it out! Thank you for the recommendation.

I've not heard of this "Alicorn Twilight" rumor, but a cursory search reveals the offending Reddit post. I suppose it's possible. Hasbro is, after all, a toy company. They also included the bit about them removing Derpy from the show entirely, which, honestly, is the only decision I could see a major company making after the (totally absurd!) controversy surrounding her. Anyway, this "Alicorn Twilight" thing may be true, it may be a cynical cash-grab on the part of Hasbro, but nevertheless, it may work out. The writers of this show are a talented bunch. They may be able to write this in gracefully and consistently, while simultaneously explaining where alicorns come from. I heard one fan theory about the Princesses just being extremely powerful sorceresses, and "wings" being among the many persistent spells they kept active on their person. It may also be used as an explanation as to why Twilight is so powerful, despite the apparent lack of nobility. We'll just have to wait and see.
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