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Historically, has socialism ever lifted a country out of poverty?

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TBSchemer Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012
Ever?

Because I just found this [link] and I'm wondering what sort of evidence motivates the thinking of people like Francois Hollande and Barack Obama. What I'm looking for is a real historical example of nationalizations, redistributions, or centralizations of power bringing a poor nation to wealth and prosperity.

Wouldn't you agree that such examples should exist in a world where socialism of any kind (democratic or otherwise) actually works to the benefit of the people?
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OmicronWanderer Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Nope has not happened. nations with socialism tend to get poorer as a whole.

the only sort of socialistic behavior that I have heard about working is relatively poor uneducated countries paying families checks to send thier children to school.

this however is a short term increase and eventually the nation will stabilize and such benefits would either no longer become necessary or would become far to pricy to maintain. as a short term work(lasting maybe 30 years) its a smart plan.
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witwitch Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Student Writer
Yes, it has happened. Less than 100 years ago, the country of Finland was formed when they broke away from Russia. At the time their country was composed almost entirely of peasant farmers.

Now Finland is a first world nation, a world player, in the top three for highest standard of living, and it has one of the best education systems on the planet. There is almost no poverty here.

Did I mention they've been Socialist since they were formed? Even the most right wing Finnish political party is still left of the American Democrats.
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Frozenglyph Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Nordic countries and north-west (central) europe.
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gussiejives Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes, it's called Social Security: [link]
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AstralChrist Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I think Barack Obama is aiming towards an international government (which is where we're heading anyway), and for a more honesty with the people (as in, less propaganda). Without Socialism, the rich people would just get richer and the poor people would just get more poor. Does that make any sense?
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TBSchemer Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2012
You think the man who claimed his election would "slow the rise of the oceans" is seeking more honesty?

You think the man who used taxpayer money to buy signs trumpeting his presidency to place at every public road project is seeking less propaganda? You think the guy who did this [link] is trying to tone down the propaganda? Are you fucking insane? Or are you just completely deceived by all the propaganda?
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AstralChrist Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Language, language... ^_^'

When he was first running for president, he said he wanted a more clear government. I know he isn't the best president in the world, but he's a hell lot better than the ones who have been running before him. I have a lot of sources and evidence to back up my claims, but I don't have the time to pull all the links up for you (sorry!).
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TBSchemer Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2012
lol, he makes a lot of claims. Lying through his teeth. Like when he said "the ObamaCare individual mandate is not a tax," and then sent his lawyers to defend the law in court precisely as a tax. [link]

Obama never stops lying.
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AstralChrist Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
We wouldn't do any better with Romney.
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der-freishutz Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
yes. national socialism.
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