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The Biggest Loser: Moderation

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TBSchemer Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2012
With the collapse of John Boehner's Plan B proposal to raise taxes on millionaires, but shield the middle and lower class from the tax hikes of the Fiscal Cliff, Democrats are almost certainly celebrating their victory. [link]

But is it really the Democrats who won here? By voting against Boehner's proposal, they just helped the Tea Party utterly destroy the most moderate, principle-compromising reach-across-the-aisle since George H. W. Bush hiked taxes in 1990. John Boehner is utterly horrified. [link] But libertarians have reason to celebrate- they just took control of the Republican Party and stopped it from abandoning the last of its principles by trying to hit the moving target the Democrats call "compromise." Now the Democrat-controlled Senate and Obama must pass the Republicans' "Plan A" of no tax hikes on anyone, or deliberately send this country over the Fiscal Cliff.

Through the last two congressional elections, fiscally moderate Republicans have lost heavily. However, the Republican Liberty Caucus actually gained seats in both elections. [link] After this week's major loss for Boehner and his moderate wing, you can expect this trend to be amplified in the 2014 elections. Thanks to the Democrats' bargaining in bad-faith, the libertarians are successfully taking over the Republican Party, and transforming it in our image. If you thought Boehner's Republican Party was stubborn, wait until you see what happens when the Ron Paul Republicans take over.

So thanks, all you supporters of Democrats, for encouraging your party to refuse to work with the moderate Republicans. You've successfully radicalized the GOP. With the defeat of the Romneys and the Boehners of the party, you've given us libertarians exactly the opening we need to seize control. Over the next few years, you're going to be hearing a lot more talk about liberty, and those who believe in liberty don't compromise on it. Is that what you were hoping for?
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:iconheaven-spawn:
heaven-spawn Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012
dude what are you even talking about
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:icontbschemer:
TBSchemer Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2012
I'm saying the Democrats think they're beating the Republicans and destroying the political careers of all the right-wingers, but it's really only the moderates that are suffering in this environment. The Tea Party and the libertarian Republicans are getting stronger and more numerous in Congress.

Lefties believe that the Republican Party is done- that in 2016, the party will be a pushover, and in 2020, the party will be nonexistent. What they don't realize is that they're culling only the weaker members. When the Democrats refuse to compromise, they are unintentionally shaping the Republican Party up as exactly the thing they fear most- an extreme, uncompromising party that fields minority candidates and ignores social issues while promising greater economic freedom for everyone. The Republican Party is being reinvented in a way that will make it a powerful force in 2016.
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gussiejives Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
By "lefties", you mean me.  I said they were done nationally, not on a state-by-state basis.
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EbolaBears Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012
"For some time, signs have indicated the Republican Party is shifting away from majority public opinion on key issues. They include taxes and spending."

Republican consultant and writer Craig Shirley told The Washington Post: "The national GOP is now simply a collection of warring tribal factions."

The collapse of Boehner's tax effort "weakens the entire Republican Party," said Rep. Steve LaTourette, R-Ohio, who is retiring after 18 years.

"It's the continuing dumbing down of the Republican Party," he said, "and we are going to be seen more and more as a bunch of extremists that can't even get a majority of our own people to support policies that we're putting forward. If you're not a governing majority, you're not going to be a majority very long."


-CHARLES BABINGTON


Yeah, there's your libertarians :rofl:
More right to the right, nation be damned.
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:icontbschemer:
TBSchemer Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012
Nation be damned, indeed. That's the choice the voters made when they reelected Obama.
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:iconebolabears:
EbolaBears Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012
Nope.
The voters said they wanted tax reform and the reds are holding that back. 2014 is going to be a terrible year to be red if this continues.
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:icontbschemer:
TBSchemer Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2012
Tax hikes are not tax reform. Romney offered tax reform. A revenue-neutral plan that would have increased economic growth.
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Saidryian Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2012
Romney offered anyything depending on what the person asking wanted. Zero integrity.
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gussiejives Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
And then all the Cookie Crisp will be yours!
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Juliabohemian Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012
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gvcspecks Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012
i thought this would be about that show where fat people lose weight....i am now dissapointed.
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:iconabcat:
AbCat Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012   Writer
This thread smells so much of sour grapes it makes my eyes water.
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:icontbschemer:
TBSchemer Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012
And by the way, you're really fooling yourself if you think the public will always believe the media spin absolving the Democrats of all of their crimes. No party in American history has ever gotten away with that forever.
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AbCat Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2012   Writer
Not residing in America, most 'media spin' passes me by.
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TBSchemer Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2012
Right, you're in the country with the left-wing spin of Reuters and the BBC.
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AbCat Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2012   Writer
The Beeb doesn't really give two hoots about the perceived crimes of either party - we have our own political shenanigans to worry about. I have actually noticed the BBC move to the right in the last couple of years, in line with its sponsors. =p
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TBSchemer Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012
You don't understand- NO LIBERTARIAN wanted Boehner's Plan B. The thought of Republicans bowing to Obama's pressure and actively passing a bill that they knew would hike taxes was cringe-worthy. The worst nightmare in this situation is to have Obama actually get what he wants, and be able to say "the Republicans voted for it."

If the Republicans had strong, liberty-minded leadership right now, that leadership would be passing bills that actually solve our nation's fiscal problems, and daring Obama to veto. Boehner is too pragmatic a leader to take that stance. He blinks in games of chicken. Obama knows that, and is willing to take advantage of that.

This incident may very well cost Boehner his speakership, and you can bet Paul Ryan and other more libertarian Republicans will be vying for his seat in January. And when they take the helm of the party and rally them against Obama, that's when this game will get interesting.
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AbCat Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012   Writer
Paul Ryan? That guy's so lightweight he can only use a see-saw on his own.
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gussiejives Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You don't see the irony of saying "worst nightmare in this situation is to have Obama actually get what he wants...", which is a return to the Clinton era tax levels, all the while decrying the lack of "moderation", the TITLE OF YOUR DAMNED THREAD!?

Of course you don't, you're an idiot.  You can't claim you're the sensible person when you scream that 3% tax increases are "cringe-worthy."
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:icontbschemer:
TBSchemer Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012
Try rereading my post. I'm not decrying the lack of moderation. I'm celebrating the fact that it cuts both ways. I'm happy that the GOP moderates who are willing to negotiate with the Democrats over the terms of the surrender of their liberty are being defeated.
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gussiejives Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You're happy that the moderates are losing. That is decrying moderation.
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TBSchemer Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2012
Exactly. I'm not decrying the lack of moderation. I like the lack of moderation that the GOP is now sticking to. When they go to the extremes and put people like Coolidge or Reagan in charge, both they and the country benefit.

Think of it this way. The GOP has elected a lot of presidents over the last century, but the vast majority of them have been unabashed moderates. Harding, Coolidge, and Reagan are the most libertarian Republican presidents of the last century, and everyone else has been soft on their principles of liberty. On the other hand, the Democrats have only elected two moderates (Kennedy and Clinton) over the last century, and every other has been a raving socialist extremist. But despite their fewer years in control of the White House, the Democrats have been winning the policy war in the long-term.

In politics, extremism works. It's time for the Republicans to stop apologizing for their belief in liberty and start painting the Democrats as the anti-Liberty totalitarians they really are. That's how the Republicans can win the 2016 presidential election.

...That, and nominating a minority candidate. Because seriously, this stupid fucking country cannot see past the color of a person's skin, and right now it's very unpopular to be white.
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Krylanna Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012
Obama doesn't have to veto bills that die in the Senate.
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Stareon Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Since when are Tea Party Republicans the same as Libertarians?
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EnuoCale Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
When they first started they kind of were. They just got hijacked by people who weren't.
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:icontbschemer:
TBSchemer Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2012
The Tea Party was a movement to refocus the Republican Party on America's traditional values of liberty. It has always been a libertarian movement.
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EbolaBears Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012
"traditional values" code word for religious state
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:icontbschemer:
TBSchemer Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012
Liberty is not a religious concept, yet is in fact a traditional American value. You're very wrong.
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:iconebolabears:
EbolaBears Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012
Traditional American values are greed, violence, technological innovation.
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:icontbschemer:
TBSchemer Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2012
Those aren't values. Those are traits. Liberty is the principle that puts those traits into a feasible framework.
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Stareon Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, on values of ECONOMIC liberty. I'll bet most Tea Party Republicans would decry abortion as baby killing and same-sex marriage as an abomination in the eyes of God.

I don't know much about Libertarianism, but I'm pretty sure it focuses equally on social and economic liberty.
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theGman0 Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012  Hobbyist
The Tea party is actually The PR arm of several corporate entities(Such as Verizon, AT&T, etc.) masquerading themselves as a grass-roots movement.
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anamusingalias Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012
The astroturfing is obvious, but it's also been used as a very poorly-disguised attempt at re-branding part of the GOP. It's so transparent that it's almost insulting.
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theGman0 Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012  Hobbyist
agreed.
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:icontbschemer:
TBSchemer Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2012
You're confusing the real Tea Party movement with the caricature created by the left-wing media. The Tea Party is genuinely a force for libertarianism.
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EbolaBears Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012
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:icontbschemer:
TBSchemer Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012
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:iconebolabears:
EbolaBears Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012
Yeah and Red States also have laws that allow conscientious objection to selling contraceptives to customers with a prescription AND are not required to allow the consumer to transfer elsewhere.

It's just a trap.
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:icontbschemer:
TBSchemer Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2012
The doctor is the one who needs to send the prescription elsewhere.

Want to make it easier to get prescription products? Remove the legal requirement for doctor prescriptions.
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gussiejives Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Is that why Judson Phillips, head of Tea Party Nation, said that a lack of God caused the Sandy Hook Massacre, amongst teachers unions and the persecution of George Zimmerman?

Yes, genuinely libertarian/theocratic.
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:icontbschemer:
TBSchemer Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012
If by "God" he meant "liberty," then his statement would be correct.
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gussiejives Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah, I switch out completely different words too.

Watch, "We The Benders, in Order to form a better Crumb Cake...."

Means the same thing as the real Preamble, right?
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PSOWILL Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2012
Since Libertarians are the new safe haven for rightwing nuts who are sore losers.
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Stareon Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Don't Libertarians tend to be socially liberal, though? I doubt wingnuts would see eye-to-eye with them with regard to things like abortion and same-sex marriage.
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kitsumekat Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012
Some are so right they can't see wrong. Just like TBSchemer.
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TBSchemer Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2012
Despite the claims of the left-wing media, the Tea Party movement is not at all a movement for social conservatism. Certainly, there are plenty of social conservatives in the movement, but these conservatives do not seek to make you live according to conservative ideals. Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, Jim DeMint, and Bobby Jindal are some of the most notable elected officials in the Tea Party movement.
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gussiejives Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
...all of whom are just as theocratic, especially DeMint.
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:icontbschemer:
TBSchemer Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012
You don't seem to understand that someone can oppose abortion on religious grounds without wanting to force their faith on others: [link]

The Democrats want to force us all to fund everyone's abortions, and the non-Tea-Party Republicans want to ban all abortion. The Tea Party is the only truly pro-choice group in Congress- as in giving individuals the power to choose for themselves over whether or not they want to take part in, fund, or avoid abortion.
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gussiejives Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Uh huh: [link] [link]

If you were right, then Scott DesJarlais should not have been voting for abortion bans. Oh wait he did! Gee, it's like Tea Partiers who oppose abortion vote on legislation for it.
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EbolaBears Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012
Lie lie lie.

Dems are not trying to make abortion a tax payer issue.


Equal rights with healthcare coverage does not equal free abortions.
Giving every woman the option to choose is not the same as free abortions.

Tea Party Red States are doing everything possible to outlaw, restrict, and demonize abortion. It's not 'this' or 'that' segment of reds, it's the whole party's platform.
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