California? What are you doing? California? No, stop that!
Recently this year, a judge in Santa Monica ruled that the display of a Nativity Scene (for those who may not know, it's the manger setting with baby Jesus you see every year.) was unconstitutional and violated the Separation of Church and State (again, kinda weird considering the scene was actually BESIDE a church yard, on their property of course.) and hereby had it removed.
This sparked a lot of controversy over the period of time, but those crafty Christians came up with a loophole and decided to act out the Nativity Scene every night until December 23rd.
Seriously, what the actual fuck? First off, this doesn't violate anything as the scene was technically on church property, therefore it wasn't breaking any laws. Second, seriously! Not to mention, this whole thing is just stupid.
And I mean this is stupid on both parts.
Atheists, we get that you don't acknowledge our holiday traditions, and that's fine. Just let us think what we think, and let's get along during a time that's supposed to be about togetherness. A model of a Christian setting isn't going to cause anyone any harm unless you walk into it or something.
Christians, don't go out there in robes and act out the scene every night. That's just silly. Not to mention that this is California, where are you going to find a virgin that's not younger than 12?
tl;dr. Leave the holiday season be, and just get on with your lives.
This sparked a lot of controversy over the period of time, but those crafty Christians came up with a loophole and decided to act out the Nativity Scene every night until December 23rd.
Seriously, what the actual fuck? First off, this doesn't violate anything as the scene was technically on church property, therefore it wasn't breaking any laws. Second, seriously! Not to mention, this whole thing is just stupid.
And I mean this is stupid on both parts.
Atheists, we get that you don't acknowledge our holiday traditions, and that's fine. Just let us think what we think, and let's get along during a time that's supposed to be about togetherness. A model of a Christian setting isn't going to cause anyone any harm unless you walk into it or something.
Christians, don't go out there in robes and act out the scene every night. That's just silly. Not to mention that this is California, where are you going to find a virgin that's not younger than 12?
tl;dr. Leave the holiday season be, and just get on with your lives.
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Oh let'em have their little pagan-style rituals. When they get around to sacrficing a goat then slap a bi-law violation on their ass.
You're missing some parts of the issue.
Spaces in the park are for sale for whoever wants to buy them to set up any sort of display for Christmas. The Atheist group in question wanted to make a point and bought 18/21 spaces, planning to leave them totally empty, again to make their point. The church group that normally does the same thing got pissed and asked the went to the City, demanding the city refund the money and open the bidding again(so that they could buy all the spaced). The City refused. The Christian group took the issue to court claiming the Athiests were jerks for what they did. The Court found that both sides were just incessant crybabies that this year nobody gets to put anything on display, refunded their money, and closed the park to displays.
So yeah, the Atheist group played the game and won, and the Christian groups were sore losers and cost everyone everything.
Spaces in the park are for sale for whoever wants to buy them to set up any sort of display for Christmas. The Atheist group in question wanted to make a point and bought 18/21 spaces, planning to leave them totally empty, again to make their point. The church group that normally does the same thing got pissed and asked the went to the City, demanding the city refund the money and open the bidding again(so that they could buy all the spaced). The City refused. The Christian group took the issue to court claiming the Athiests were jerks for what they did. The Court found that both sides were just incessant crybabies that this year nobody gets to put anything on display, refunded their money, and closed the park to displays.
So yeah, the Atheist group played the game and won, and the Christian groups were sore losers and cost everyone everything.
first off that is not unconstitutional D: bias judge is bias.
and yes, people are being stupid about this war on christmas and butt hurt athiests and such...
and yes, people are being stupid about this war on christmas and butt hurt athiests and such...
Why are Christians never satisfied that they are already the largest, most powerful religion in the US with significant implicit power over law and culture? Christmas is already recognized secularly as a holiday, one so heavily ingrained into our society it consumes our lifestyles for a quarter of the year, to the point where other religions' holidays aren't even recognized unless they fall within the 'holiday season.' But no, if they can't get special privileges and display their symbols in public spaces, they're being 'oppressed.'
How dare they have special privileges of setting up a display on their property!
From what I'm hearing, it wasn't their property, it was public property.
I'm seeing that now. The OP was very misleading.
Yeah I actually just saw that myself after looking further into it. I was under the impression it was near church property or on it.
Live and learn.
Please, for the love of anything at all, provide links to your source, so we can go look for ourselves and not just rely on your interpretation.
Sloppy, sloppy posting.
Sloppy, sloppy posting.
From what I'd heard, the scene was put up in a public park, which then does make it an issue. If it was on a church's property then there isn't an issue.
I'm agnostic and I don't really care if some people put up a Nativity scene, but if there were suddenly religious iconography everywhere I went I'd have a problem, especially if it was exclusively Christian (symbols that are just of a holiday, like colored eggs, decorated trees, etc. I don't care about since they are more cultural than religious).
I'm agnostic and I don't really care if some people put up a Nativity scene, but if there were suddenly religious iconography everywhere I went I'd have a problem, especially if it was exclusively Christian (symbols that are just of a holiday, like colored eggs, decorated trees, etc. I don't care about since they are more cultural than religious).
Yea I don't get that. If the Nativity scene is on church property then they should have every right to set it. If they set one up at my local grocery store, or at a public school I would understand the fuss.
It wasn't church property.
I must have misread it. That's what I thought I read.
As an atheist I find nothing wrong with the nativity scene or Christmas in general. Church property is church property. I'm just saying if I want to erect a giant statue to Zeus on my front lawn, it's my front lawn.
Wasn't on private property
Then the case in the right of law to kick baby Jesus off the curb.
In the face!
That would be funny if the State demolished the little site with a bulldozer.
That would be funny if the State demolished the little site with a bulldozer.
Wouldn't mind seeing a statue of Zeus somewhere. Dude was a freaking pimp in Greek mythology
That santa monica case was a nativity scene on the beach, which is government property [link]
It would help if you had links. I find it difficult to believe your claim of "technically on church property," for example.
From what I've heard, it was on public property.
So it's okay for Christians to force their views on non-Christians, via the law (outlawing pornography, not allowing gay marriage, etc etc etc) but it's wrong for non-Christians to do it.
Would you please provide a reason why it's okay for Christians to force their views upon others, but not the other way around? I mean, my right to get married to a female partner trumps the right to put on a fucking play, does it not?
Or do you only care when Christians get the short end of the stick?
Would you please provide a reason why it's okay for Christians to force their views upon others, but not the other way around? I mean, my right to get married to a female partner trumps the right to put on a fucking play, does it not?
Or do you only care when Christians get the short end of the stick?
If it was indeed on their own property then they can put up whatever they want. A barn with some statues of people and animals is hardly shoving views down other people's throats.