Spaces in the park are for sale for whoever wants to buy them to set up any sort of display for Christmas. The Atheist group in question wanted to make a point and bought 18/21 spaces, planning to leave them totally empty, again to make their point. The church group that normally does the same thing got pissed and asked the went to the City, demanding the city refund the money and open the bidding again(so that they could buy all the spaced). The City refused. The Christian group took the issue to court claiming the Athiests were jerks for what they did. The Court found that both sides were just incessant crybabies that this year nobody gets to put anything on display, refunded their money, and closed the park to displays.
So yeah, the Atheist group played the game and won, and the Christian groups were sore losers and cost everyone everything.
Why are Christians never satisfied that they are already the largest, most powerful religion in the US with significant implicit power over law and culture? Christmas is already recognized secularly as a holiday, one so heavily ingrained into our society it consumes our lifestyles for a quarter of the year, to the point where other religions' holidays aren't even recognized unless they fall within the 'holiday season.' But no, if they can't get special privileges and display their symbols in public spaces, they're being 'oppressed.'
From what I'd heard, the scene was put up in a public park, which then does make it an issue. If it was on a church's property then there isn't an issue.
I'm agnostic and I don't really care if some people put up a Nativity scene, but if there were suddenly religious iconography everywhere I went I'd have a problem, especially if it was exclusively Christian (symbols that are just of a holiday, like colored eggs, decorated trees, etc. I don't care about since they are more cultural than religious).
Yea I don't get that. If the Nativity scene is on church property then they should have every right to set it. If they set one up at my local grocery store, or at a public school I would understand the fuss.
As an atheist I find nothing wrong with the nativity scene or Christmas in general. Church property is church property. I'm just saying if I want to erect a giant statue to Zeus on my front lawn, it's my front lawn.
So it's okay for Christians to force their views on non-Christians, via the law (outlawing pornography, not allowing gay marriage, etc etc etc) but it's wrong for non-Christians to do it.
Would you please provide a reason why it's okay for Christians to force their views upon others, but not the other way around? I mean, my right to get married to a female partner trumps the right to put on a fucking play, does it not?
Or do you only care when Christians get the short end of the stick?
I've never even seen a naivety scene on public property,(I've seen them in/ near churches, in/near shopping centres and in/near businesses)... I've yet to see a naivety set up in the middle of a park or a courtyard, etc etc etc. to be quite honest. It might be different in America, but I doubt it.
This is why I think that they are making a mountain out of a molehill. Is the law wrong? yes. Is it highly heinous? No, it's more of a minor inconvenience.
What part of "it's a church" don't you understand? You're an atheist who claims to have freed her mind of religion, yet you're complaining that Christians set up a nativity scene at their church. Last time I checked, they are allowed to do that. Why do you even care??
Christmas itself doesn't have anything to do with marriage equality, however the mindset of "if I can't display things in this public space where other religions are equally barred from doing so, then I'm being persecuted!" is the same argument that a particularly vocal group of American Christians like to make about everything (eg "Gay marriage is wrong, if gays are allowed to be people, I'm being persecuted!", "if the 10 Commandments aren't displayed in the courthouse, I'm being persecuted!" etc).
Also, you example of "atheist jerks" is entirely different. You can say all you want, Christians are allowed to not say nice things about atheists and to not agree. The issue we see most often is that religious people, primarily Christians, try to legislate that Christians are allowed religious freedom AND NOBODY ELSE.
Yes, because making Christians have nativity plays on private property, instead of public property is exactly the same issue. It's not like it's a lot minor than what Christians do, or anything.
I am finding very hard to care over a little stupid law. No one is stopping them from having nativity scenes. All they have to do is put it on private property. Hell, I've never even seen a naivety scene on anything but private property. Inside churches and church property. Inside shopping centres and shopping centre property. Inside businesses and business property.
That's all still legal.
So, they can't put it up in public parks and other public places. Is that really that annoying? It's a stupid law, but it's hardly that oppressive.
Not annoying, just kinda dumb. The site wasn't harming anyone, and the Nativity is a big part of Christmas tradition for a lot of people.
I don't freak when I see a Star of David, nor a giant effigy of Santa. Why people think "holy crap, Jesus! This is ignorant and offensive!" is beyond me when in the West Coast area, separation of church and state should be the LEAST controversial thing going on.