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:icondezenerate:
Dezenerate Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
I'm not sure whether this is more for the Art forum but it involves political thoughts so I'll post it here.

This was recently given a DD.



Breaking Barriers
by =tanikel (in case the thumb doesn't work)

Now, as art goes, everything is up to interpretation, from both the title and the content of the picture. And I'm curious; what thoughts does this provoke when you view it? Do you see it as fellow man coming together peacefully? A symbol of hope that things can work out? Or do you see it in a different light, that this shows that war is happening unnecessarily in this land? That this is showing them as equals, when it shouldn't be?

Some thought into this will be appreciated, but if you feel more inclined, you can comment on the deviation itself. :p
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:iconjackmolotov3:
JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
thats actually a pretty good photo.
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:iconjackmolotov3:
JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
nice photo
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:iconcouchycreature:
CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
time for more absinthe me thinks.

It could just be an officer talking to his local snitch. Nobody knows what they were saying and the image is definitely open to interpretation in any direction except by the two people involved in the conversation. It is a US Army photograph after all, so very likely to being used as propaganda.
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:iconjackmolotov3:
JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
"It could just be an officer talking to his local snitch."
unlikely. thats an NCO. a command sergeant major by the description, but, I cannot make out the full insignia, I can make out sergeant stripes and bottom rockers. Chances are he wouldn't even know a word this man has to say.

"It is a US Army photograph after all, so very likely to being used as propaganda."

well, yeah.
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CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
yes, you are probably right :) I claim no knowledge of military insignia or rank and the description does say command sergeant major, and I know my sergeant major from my captains ...not!! Nor do I have any idea whether such a one would be talking to a 'snitch' but but I guess you get my drift that it could be far from just a casual friendly chat with a local.
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:iconjackmolotov3:
JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
"It could just be an officer talking to his local snitch."
unlikely.

I cannot make out the amount of bottom rockers, but thats a senior NCO, a CSM(command seargant major), as in the senior enlisted man of a battalion or larger size formation.

Unlikely he knew a damn word the afgan was saying, without the aid of a translator.
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Ophiocordyceps Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
It doesn't really show them as equals, judging from the body language and what they're wearing/holding. The older man's body language is cautious, as you can see from the knees pulled to his chest and arms crossed over them to create a barrier, and the fact that he turns his head to talk to the soldier instead of his entire body, which makes him less of a target of harm. I can infer that he uses his arms and legs as protection when the soldier has a helmet and heavy boots and padding and gloves and a big ass gun. That is probably the reason for the soldier's body language, as well, which is more relaxed than the older man's, with his feet apart and knees away from his torso and arms slung over his legs with no care. Since the soldier also doesn't face the other man completely, he probably doesn't trust him either, even though he has no weapon or protection other than his clothes and limbs.

The artist calls this 'Breaking Barrier's' when the older man makes a barrier with his arms and legs and the soldier is wearing protective clothing and holding a gun? I think the name is ironic at best.
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:iconpoopgoblyn:
Poopgoblyn Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
I see the intent: to make people feel warm and fuzzy.
I also see the truth: wary soldiers, a wary population that has to rely on those soldiers for safety.
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:iconno-doves-fly-here:
no-doves-fly-here Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
Also notice the sexual nature in which the soldier is stroking his 'gun'. What a deviant.
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:iconebolabearvomit:
EbolaBearVomit Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
Indeed
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:icondezenerate:
Dezenerate Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
:lol:
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:iconno-doves-fly-here:
no-doves-fly-here Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
You know it's true.
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no-doves-fly-here Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
You can tell this by the way his legs are spread. You can also tell he was rejected because the older man is covering his genitals, a clear sign of "no you cannot have this."
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no-doves-fly-here Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
The soldier is red in the face with a disgruntled look. He is humiliated.
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:iconno-doves-fly-here:
no-doves-fly-here Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
A bored, lonely soldier on the verge of suicide seeks sexual encounters from older men to feel needed.
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:iconbullet-magnet:
Bullet-Magnet Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
He's an old guy talking to a younger man. This happens all over the world in all kinds of situations across all cultural and language barriers. The old guy probably barely recognises that the soldier is anything more besides a man of fewer years than he. People are basically the same everywhere you go, and he;s too old, wise and weary to care about the little differences. As for the soldier, some people do have time to listen to their elders.
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:icondezenerate:
Dezenerate Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
So the only context you see this in is the literal sense? :p

Do you see anything implicit from the image, or can/will you draw anything from that?
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Bullet-Magnet Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
I don't know what you mean. Two gentlemen who lead very different lives, a chance meeting resulting from a great many geopolitical events beyond their control, taking a moment from their busy schedules to share something of themselves. That's what I see, that is the context I recognise.
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:icondezenerate:
Dezenerate Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
The literal sense meaning your analysis of possible facts, rather the potential of other interpretations (political, religious, etc).

Fair enough.
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PSOWILL Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
:)I wish he didn't have a gun but otherwise I see this as positive note.
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:icondezenerate:
Dezenerate Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
What leads you to see this on a positive note?
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:iconpsowill:
PSOWILL Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
Two different cultures talking to each civilly.
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:icondezenerate:
Dezenerate Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
Did you see anything in "the big picture"?

And why do you not wish the soldier to have a gun?
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:iconpsowill:
PSOWILL Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
Wishful thinking in the big picture.

I thought the gun sent an unnecessary message for the soldier to have at that moment.
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:icondezenerate:
Dezenerate Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
Pity it's wishful. =P

That is a shame, but more than likely it was an unintentional message from the soldier himself. My assumption is that the photograph was of the moment and the subjects were unaware.
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:iconpsowill:
PSOWILL Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
Probably. I will say it's nice showing people that soldiers aren't glorified storm troopers.
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:iconkimihro:
Kimihro Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I see optimism with no boundaries. If only we lived in a world where a picture like this didn't ignite emotions in people.
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:icondezenerate:
Dezenerate Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
Emotions can be both good and bad. :P

Why do you see optimism, exactly?
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:iconenuocale:
EnuoCale Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
No. We should live in a world where they do not exist at all. :iconspockplz:
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:icondezenerate:
Dezenerate Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
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:iconkimihro:
Kimihro Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Because I could not see a world now where one could juxtapose a Middle-Eastern Man and a solider and have it seem "okay."
As for emotions, I meant to imply that both good and bad emotions could be ignited, but in use of the word it means extreme versions of either.
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:icondezenerate:
Dezenerate Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
Ah, interesting.

That's how I interpreted it, but the reason I stated that is that, without a former to fight the latter, there usually isn't progress or insight.
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:iconmgonzales041090:
mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
I see a fucking raghead terrorist and a thread that needs to be locked for shameless promotion.
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:icondezenerate:
Dezenerate Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
You trying to start something, buddy?

You wanna go, bub? I'm all greased up, naked, and ready to rumble.
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:iconpsowill:
PSOWILL Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
:paranoid: I sense a Burning man moment is forthcoming.
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:icondezenerate:
Dezenerate Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
:iconriotplz:
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:iconpsowill:
PSOWILL Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
:iconjihad2:
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:icondezenerate:
Dezenerate Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
:iconjihadplx: is better, imo.
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:iconpsowill:
PSOWILL Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
:lol: more funnier to me.
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:icondezenerate:
Dezenerate Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Fair enough!
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:iconmgonzales041090:
mgonzales041090 Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
I'm trying to see this thread closed. It's pointless promotion which incites a critique on the subject matter more-so than it encourages political discussion.
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:iconpoopgoblyn:
Poopgoblyn Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
I don't see how it's promotive.
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:icondezenerate:
Dezenerate Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
I'll be the douche bag here and just say "That's what you think. ;)".
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