I Hope You Enjoy Being Watched
You reap what you sow.
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"The FBI records the emails of nearly all US citizens, including members of congress, according to NSA whistleblower William Binney. In an interview with RT, he warned that the government can use this information against anyone.
Binney, one of the best mathematicians and code breakers in the history of the National Security Agency, resigned in 2001. He claimed he no longer wanted to be associated with alleged violations of the Constitution, such as how the FBI engages in widespread and pervasive surveillance through powerful devices called 'Naris.'
This year, Binney received the Callaway award, an annual prize that recognizes those who champion constitutional rights and American values at great risk to their personal or professional lives."
A fascinating interview with what's really happening.
And you'd think the progressive ideals of our current President would hinder this. Hah. 12 years of utter civil rights destruction, and another 4 to keep the spiral going. But who cares. As long as we feel safe at night right? As long as we get our government checks right?
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"The FBI records the emails of nearly all US citizens, including members of congress, according to NSA whistleblower William Binney. In an interview with RT, he warned that the government can use this information against anyone.
Binney, one of the best mathematicians and code breakers in the history of the National Security Agency, resigned in 2001. He claimed he no longer wanted to be associated with alleged violations of the Constitution, such as how the FBI engages in widespread and pervasive surveillance through powerful devices called 'Naris.'
This year, Binney received the Callaway award, an annual prize that recognizes those who champion constitutional rights and American values at great risk to their personal or professional lives."
A fascinating interview with what's really happening.
And you'd think the progressive ideals of our current President would hinder this. Hah. 12 years of utter civil rights destruction, and another 4 to keep the spiral going. But who cares. As long as we feel safe at night right? As long as we get our government checks right?
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read about this on slashdot this week. google "Room 641a".
"And you'd think the progressive ideals of our current President would hinder this. Hah. 12 years of utter civil rights destruction, and another 4 to keep the spiral going"
12?
If you were using the internet back then it was going on under Clinton as well, so thats at least 20. From what I understand our current regime of ignoring constitutional liberties, and ignoring individual rights, or creatively finding ways to ignore them goes back to reagan.
At the same time, if you did log on back the, utter contempt for the system was near universal.
Something intresting to watch:
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I know its long, but watch the whole thing, with all the names that get dropped. People have no perspective of political history, other than what is immediately neccary to "win" this comming election for their current chosen team.
"And you'd think the progressive ideals of our current President would hinder this. Hah. 12 years of utter civil rights destruction, and another 4 to keep the spiral going"
12?
If you were using the internet back then it was going on under Clinton as well, so thats at least 20. From what I understand our current regime of ignoring constitutional liberties, and ignoring individual rights, or creatively finding ways to ignore them goes back to reagan.
At the same time, if you did log on back the, utter contempt for the system was near universal.
Something intresting to watch:
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I know its long, but watch the whole thing, with all the names that get dropped. People have no perspective of political history, other than what is immediately neccary to "win" this comming election for their current chosen team.
Think they said roughly 294 billion emails [link] are sent every day, have fun cataloging that. Meaningless surveillance is meaningless
Not just FBI. So does organised crime.
Even more dangerous is access to full email archives of the largest internet providers which allow altered and fabricated email and documentation to be inserted into the “internet history” of targeted individuals, subjecting them to potential prosecution for everything from sex crimes to terrorism.
PROTECTED CRIMINALS
In each of the cases we looked at, we were able to quickly identify the individuals involved, penetrate their cloaked IP addresses and identify them as criminals. Yet these same individuals, many who sit at desks or “cubes” at major internet related companies, are never arrested or investigated though they are “findable”
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Even more dangerous is access to full email archives of the largest internet providers which allow altered and fabricated email and documentation to be inserted into the “internet history” of targeted individuals, subjecting them to potential prosecution for everything from sex crimes to terrorism.
PROTECTED CRIMINALS
In each of the cases we looked at, we were able to quickly identify the individuals involved, penetrate their cloaked IP addresses and identify them as criminals. Yet these same individuals, many who sit at desks or “cubes” at major internet related companies, are never arrested or investigated though they are “findable”
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once again Gordon Duff is grasping at straws, making wild assumptions in a field he knows little.
People use emails for things beyond your cousin's friend sending a chain email of pictures they think is funny but you've already seen twice before?
They've always been watching.
Recently Obama gave himself permission to turn off all internet & communication in America in the case of an emergency.
Recently Obama gave himself permission to turn off all internet & communication in America in the case of an emergency.
yeah, I explicitly remember there being a thread about this way back when saying Obama did that in his last term, and the comments being full of people saying how president's have done so, if I remember correctly even required to do so, for years before Obama.
Bush did it, as did Obama during his first term, and now his second. Don't treat it like it's anything new.
There needs to be a link for this, or I'm calling shenanigans.
link? Because that is some straight up craziness O.O I always disliked Obama, but dang lol
Thanks 
I don't find that nearly as disturbing as the number of people who think their lives are so interesting that they merit investigation. Even I am bored to tears with my emails. I can't imagine the FBI would be that much more fascinated by me asking my husband what he wants for dinner or 20% off lunch at Panera.
As others have said, this kind if tech is still new... It will become a whole lot more invasive.
So instead of trying to stop the title wave from washing away your home. Let's get infront if it and stop caring who watches what kind of porn, who cheats on who, who has a drinking problem, ect.
This is sadly the down side to the information age. Nothing you can do about it as we have laws against it and this kind of information is released daily without consent and or the government even trying. (hackers hacking your private email.)
Maybe if we all didn't have cloths, we woukdnt think nudity to be an issue. The difference between clothing and electronic messaging is that anyone can hack your email, no one can physically strip you naked without a courts consent.
So instead of trying to stop the title wave from washing away your home. Let's get infront if it and stop caring who watches what kind of porn, who cheats on who, who has a drinking problem, ect.
This is sadly the down side to the information age. Nothing you can do about it as we have laws against it and this kind of information is released daily without consent and or the government even trying. (hackers hacking your private email.)
Maybe if we all didn't have cloths, we woukdnt think nudity to be an issue. The difference between clothing and electronic messaging is that anyone can hack your email, no one can physically strip you naked without a courts consent.
As someone already employed and continuing my eduction in IT, I have to question the validity of this. This sounds like absolute fucking nonsense.
through powerful devices called 'Naris.' - What in the fuck is a nari? Is it somehow related to the National Association of The Remodeling Industry?
hold on the order of 5 zettabytes of data. - hahaha, what? No storage system on the planet has even achieved ONE zettabyte of data, much less FIVE. To put that in perspective for a non-techie who may be reading this, data storage uses metric prefixes (even if it's not entirely accurate due to bit conversion, it's easier) and hard drives in the single-digit terabyte range have only recently become cheap and available. As in 1TB, 2TB, 3TB, etc. One TB consists of 1000 gigabytes which is a fuckton of data for anyone who doesn't own all music ever arranged, have every video game ever made installed, or works for an ISP or server farm. After terabytes comes petabytes. After petabytes, it's exabytes. Finally, it gets to zettabytes. A single zettabyte consists of one billion terabytes or rather one trillion gigabytes. A quadrillion megabytes.
At the end of the decade, the entire internet constituted only 500 exabytes. THE ENTIRE INTERNET AND ALL OF WHAT THAT ENTAILS barely equals half a zettabyte. While the gov't/military obviously has access to technology more advanced than the commercial market, give me a fucking break.
Alright, let's pretend this is real. How does someone who hasn't been employed with the NSA for over ten years even have any idea how they still operate? Is there any evidence besides his word? Is his report of this facility to hold all this data based on 2001 technology? Because that would make it so implausible that it's practically science fiction. Finally, why is he speaking about it now so many years later? What's his angle? Always question, because there is always an ulterior motive.
Even assuming this is true, approximately 80% of all e-mail sent ever is spam. The percentage varies year to year, but almost always 80% or higher. The sheer deluge of information boggles the mind. Just last year, the estimated figure was to be somewhere around seven trillion spam messages. Who the fuck is going to read that? What possible filters would be effective enough to cut that down to even a readable fraction?
through powerful devices called 'Naris.' - What in the fuck is a nari? Is it somehow related to the National Association of The Remodeling Industry?
hold on the order of 5 zettabytes of data. - hahaha, what? No storage system on the planet has even achieved ONE zettabyte of data, much less FIVE. To put that in perspective for a non-techie who may be reading this, data storage uses metric prefixes (even if it's not entirely accurate due to bit conversion, it's easier) and hard drives in the single-digit terabyte range have only recently become cheap and available. As in 1TB, 2TB, 3TB, etc. One TB consists of 1000 gigabytes which is a fuckton of data for anyone who doesn't own all music ever arranged, have every video game ever made installed, or works for an ISP or server farm. After terabytes comes petabytes. After petabytes, it's exabytes. Finally, it gets to zettabytes. A single zettabyte consists of one billion terabytes or rather one trillion gigabytes. A quadrillion megabytes.
At the end of the decade, the entire internet constituted only 500 exabytes. THE ENTIRE INTERNET AND ALL OF WHAT THAT ENTAILS barely equals half a zettabyte. While the gov't/military obviously has access to technology more advanced than the commercial market, give me a fucking break.
Alright, let's pretend this is real. How does someone who hasn't been employed with the NSA for over ten years even have any idea how they still operate? Is there any evidence besides his word? Is his report of this facility to hold all this data based on 2001 technology? Because that would make it so implausible that it's practically science fiction. Finally, why is he speaking about it now so many years later? What's his angle? Always question, because there is always an ulterior motive.
Even assuming this is true, approximately 80% of all e-mail sent ever is spam. The percentage varies year to year, but almost always 80% or higher. The sheer deluge of information boggles the mind. Just last year, the estimated figure was to be somewhere around seven trillion spam messages. Who the fuck is going to read that? What possible filters would be effective enough to cut that down to even a readable fraction?
thanks for your informative post.
It's no prob, I just find it silly. I'm willing to accept the gov't can watch me anytime they want (as if they really give a shit what I do), it's just the nature of the game, but that doesn't mean you should lose perspective. You don't have to be a network admin or a software engineer to know this shit. Anyone capable of using Google could find out what I stated. If they're willing to.
yeah, people are awfully willing to just buy whatever they're spoon fed. i have similar issues with scientific stuff. the information is out there, but people just believe any old thing they're told.
'MURICA- Land of the free
Is it just the US or do other countries do this too?
Is it just the US or do other countries do this too?
The population of the US is around 300mil, right? If they were to spy in on and listen to everyone, they would have to employ at least 10-100k people, which would mean more jobs. However most of these "listenings" are done using scripts that track for specific key words. So the chances of a nobody, doing nothing illegal to pop on their radar are pretty dim. I agree, the power of information is dangerous in the wrong hands (plenty of examples in history), however I'd fear more the power of disinformation (i.e. media that's always chasing sensational stories)... If the government would actually come up with a reasonable request form and make all the recordings accessible, it would be kind of admirable. Just think about all the civil lawsuits that could easily be settled.
There are plenty of data gathering engines on the internet and you haven't got a clue who has access to that data; to some you offer personal details of your own will - facebook, google+, dating sites - and some just come up with a profile based on your searches, or software you have installed, or whatever. It's a gold mine for identity thieves and con artists. I think it would be stupid on governments' behalf not to use all the technology around, afterall they did pay for at least 80% of the development.
But hey, that's just my opinion, you're FREE to have your own
There are plenty of data gathering engines on the internet and you haven't got a clue who has access to that data; to some you offer personal details of your own will - facebook, google+, dating sites - and some just come up with a profile based on your searches, or software you have installed, or whatever. It's a gold mine for identity thieves and con artists. I think it would be stupid on governments' behalf not to use all the technology around, afterall they did pay for at least 80% of the development.
But hey, that's just my opinion, you're FREE to have your own
Who reaps what who sews? You put up a link of a conspiracy theory website that alleges the US government has enough server capacity to save every single email sent (including the one I just sent, right here- to your inbox) How many trillions of terrabytes of data is that, per minute?
I need you rightwing conspiracy fellas to do something for me:
Stop boasting about having links and knowing "truth". Show me the god damn subject being carried on a mainstream PRINT MEDIA source- like an actual real printed newspaper, not some blog-pretending-to-be-news-website you found on the internet. And none of this I say means I don't know the government has surveillance capabilities either. Jezus, we all fucking know, and we're reminded of it by conspiracy fanatics like you on this forum on a DAILY BASIS (take a look at the most recent topics if you don't believe me). What do you expect me to do? Let me guess- the solution is/was to vote for Mitt Romney. Yeah, the Robin Hood of all politicians from the political party owned by corporations who have way more money and power than our entire government combined- yeah he's the answer. I think I'm gonna hurl.
I need you rightwing conspiracy fellas to do something for me:
Stop boasting about having links and knowing "truth". Show me the god damn subject being carried on a mainstream PRINT MEDIA source- like an actual real printed newspaper, not some blog-pretending-to-be-news-website you found on the internet. And none of this I say means I don't know the government has surveillance capabilities either. Jezus, we all fucking know, and we're reminded of it by conspiracy fanatics like you on this forum on a DAILY BASIS (take a look at the most recent topics if you don't believe me). What do you expect me to do? Let me guess- the solution is/was to vote for Mitt Romney. Yeah, the Robin Hood of all politicians from the political party owned by corporations who have way more money and power than our entire government combined- yeah he's the answer. I think I'm gonna hurl.
RT is as legit as it gets definitely not a conspiracy site...