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I Hope You Enjoy Being Watched

:iconpoopgoblyn:
Poopgoblyn Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
You reap what you sow.
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"The FBI records the emails of nearly all US citizens, including members of congress, according to NSA whistleblower William Binney. In an interview with RT, he warned that the government can use this information against anyone.

Binney, one of the best mathematicians and code breakers in the history of the National Security Agency, resigned in 2001. He claimed he no longer wanted to be associated with alleged violations of the Constitution, such as how the FBI engages in widespread and pervasive surveillance through powerful devices called 'Naris.'

This year, Binney received the Callaway award, an annual prize that recognizes those who champion constitutional rights and American values at great risk to their personal or professional lives."

A fascinating interview with what's really happening.

And you'd think the progressive ideals of our current President would hinder this. Hah. 12 years of utter civil rights destruction, and another 4 to keep the spiral going. But who cares. As long as we feel safe at night right? As long as we get our government checks right?
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:iconjackmolotov3:
JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
read about this on slashdot this week. google "Room 641a".

"And you'd think the progressive ideals of our current President would hinder this. Hah. 12 years of utter civil rights destruction, and another 4 to keep the spiral going"
12?

If you were using the internet back then it was going on under Clinton as well, so thats at least 20. From what I understand our current regime of ignoring constitutional liberties, and ignoring individual rights, or creatively finding ways to ignore them goes back to reagan.

At the same time, if you did log on back the, utter contempt for the system was near universal.

Something intresting to watch:
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I know its long, but watch the whole thing, with all the names that get dropped. People have no perspective of political history, other than what is immediately neccary to "win" this comming election for their current chosen team.
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FerricPlushy Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
Think they said roughly 294 billion emails [link] are sent every day, have fun cataloging that. Meaningless surveillance is meaningless
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psyopjunkie Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012
Not just FBI. So does organised crime.

Even more dangerous is access to full email archives of the largest internet providers which allow altered and fabricated email and documentation to be inserted into the “internet history” of targeted individuals, subjecting them to potential prosecution for everything from sex crimes to terrorism.

PROTECTED CRIMINALS

In each of the cases we looked at, we were able to quickly identify the individuals involved, penetrate their cloaked IP addresses and identify them as criminals. Yet these same individuals, many who sit at desks or “cubes” at major internet related companies, are never arrested or investigated though they are “findable”


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JackMolotov3 Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
once again Gordon Duff is grasping at straws, making wild assumptions in a field he knows little.
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Scnal Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
People use emails for things beyond your cousin's friend sending a chain email of pictures they think is funny but you've already seen twice before?
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JesusArtwork Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
They've always been watching.

Recently Obama gave himself permission to turn off all internet & communication in America in the case of an emergency.
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Scnal Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
yeah, I explicitly remember there being a thread about this way back when saying Obama did that in his last term, and the comments being full of people saying how president's have done so, if I remember correctly even required to do so, for years before Obama.
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JesusArtwork Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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Scnal Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Bush did it, as did Obama during his first term, and now his second. Don't treat it like it's anything new.
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MagusTheLofty Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012
There needs to be a link for this, or I'm calling shenanigans.
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:iconjesusartwork:
JesusArtwork Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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Why-did-Kenji-die Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012
link? Because that is some straight up craziness O.O I always disliked Obama, but dang lol
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JesusArtwork Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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Why-did-Kenji-die Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012
Thanks :)
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mci021 Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
I don't find that nearly as disturbing as the number of people who think their lives are so interesting that they merit investigation. Even I am bored to tears with my emails. I can't imagine the FBI would be that much more fascinated by me asking my husband what he wants for dinner or 20% off lunch at Panera.
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:icondefense2:
defense2 Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012
As others have said, this kind if tech is still new... It will become a whole lot more invasive.

So instead of trying to stop the title wave from washing away your home. Let's get infront if it and stop caring who watches what kind of porn, who cheats on who, who has a drinking problem, ect.

This is sadly the down side to the information age. Nothing you can do about it as we have laws against it and this kind of information is released daily without consent and or the government even trying. (hackers hacking your private email.)

Maybe if we all didn't have cloths, we woukdnt think nudity to be an issue. The difference between clothing and electronic messaging is that anyone can hack your email, no one can physically strip you naked without a courts consent.
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anamusingalias Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2012
As someone already employed and continuing my eduction in IT, I have to question the validity of this. This sounds like absolute fucking nonsense.

through powerful devices called 'Naris.' - What in the fuck is a nari? Is it somehow related to the National Association of The Remodeling Industry?

hold on the order of 5 zettabytes of data. - hahaha, what? No storage system on the planet has even achieved ONE zettabyte of data, much less FIVE. To put that in perspective for a non-techie who may be reading this, data storage uses metric prefixes (even if it's not entirely accurate due to bit conversion, it's easier) and hard drives in the single-digit terabyte range have only recently become cheap and available. As in 1TB, 2TB, 3TB, etc. One TB consists of 1000 gigabytes which is a fuckton of data for anyone who doesn't own all music ever arranged, have every video game ever made installed, or works for an ISP or server farm. After terabytes comes petabytes. After petabytes, it's exabytes. Finally, it gets to zettabytes. A single zettabyte consists of one billion terabytes or rather one trillion gigabytes. A quadrillion megabytes.

At the end of the decade, the entire internet constituted only 500 exabytes. THE ENTIRE INTERNET AND ALL OF WHAT THAT ENTAILS barely equals half a zettabyte. While the gov't/military obviously has access to technology more advanced than the commercial market, give me a fucking break.

Alright, let's pretend this is real. How does someone who hasn't been employed with the NSA for over ten years even have any idea how they still operate? Is there any evidence besides his word? Is his report of this facility to hold all this data based on 2001 technology? Because that would make it so implausible that it's practically science fiction. Finally, why is he speaking about it now so many years later? What's his angle? Always question, because there is always an ulterior motive.

Even assuming this is true, approximately 80% of all e-mail sent ever is spam. The percentage varies year to year, but almost always 80% or higher. The sheer deluge of information boggles the mind. Just last year, the estimated figure was to be somewhere around seven trillion spam messages. Who the fuck is going to read that? What possible filters would be effective enough to cut that down to even a readable fraction?
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skulkey Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
thanks for your informative post. :)
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:iconanamusingalias:
anamusingalias Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
It's no prob, I just find it silly. I'm willing to accept the gov't can watch me anytime they want (as if they really give a shit what I do), it's just the nature of the game, but that doesn't mean you should lose perspective. You don't have to be a network admin or a software engineer to know this shit. Anyone capable of using Google could find out what I stated. If they're willing to.
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skulkey Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
yeah, people are awfully willing to just buy whatever they're spoon fed. i have similar issues with scientific stuff. the information is out there, but people just believe any old thing they're told.
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ElDynamite Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
'MURICA- Land of the free
Is it just the US or do other countries do this too?
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MystiqueX Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
The population of the US is around 300mil, right? If they were to spy in on and listen to everyone, they would have to employ at least 10-100k people, which would mean more jobs. However most of these "listenings" are done using scripts that track for specific key words. So the chances of a nobody, doing nothing illegal to pop on their radar are pretty dim. I agree, the power of information is dangerous in the wrong hands (plenty of examples in history), however I'd fear more the power of disinformation (i.e. media that's always chasing sensational stories)... If the government would actually come up with a reasonable request form and make all the recordings accessible, it would be kind of admirable. Just think about all the civil lawsuits that could easily be settled.
There are plenty of data gathering engines on the internet and you haven't got a clue who has access to that data; to some you offer personal details of your own will - facebook, google+, dating sites - and some just come up with a profile based on your searches, or software you have installed, or whatever. It's a gold mine for identity thieves and con artists. I think it would be stupid on governments' behalf not to use all the technology around, afterall they did pay for at least 80% of the development.
But hey, that's just my opinion, you're FREE to have your own ;)
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VISIONOFTHEWORLD Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012
Who reaps what who sews? You put up a link of a conspiracy theory website that alleges the US government has enough server capacity to save every single email sent (including the one I just sent, right here- to your inbox) How many trillions of terrabytes of data is that, per minute?
I need you rightwing conspiracy fellas to do something for me:
Stop boasting about having links and knowing "truth". Show me the god damn subject being carried on a mainstream PRINT MEDIA source- like an actual real printed newspaper, not some blog-pretending-to-be-news-website you found on the internet. And none of this I say means I don't know the government has surveillance capabilities either. Jezus, we all fucking know, and we're reminded of it by conspiracy fanatics like you on this forum on a DAILY BASIS (take a look at the most recent topics if you don't believe me). What do you expect me to do? Let me guess- the solution is/was to vote for Mitt Romney. Yeah, the Robin Hood of all politicians from the political party owned by corporations who have way more money and power than our entire government combined- yeah he's the answer. I think I'm gonna hurl.
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hustlerdu Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012
RT is as legit as it gets definitely not a conspiracy site...
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OuroborosCobra Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012
He retired 8 years before the current president took office, and as such has not had security access to even know what surveillance is currently going on. Your attacks apply to Clinton and possibly Bush, but you have no evidence of a current program.
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Agburanar Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012
Yes, Ouroboros. The NSA is only building a datacenter with exabytes of storage capacity and the ability to conduct mass-surveillance to watch the terr'ists.
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OuroborosCobra Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012
Binney is in no position to have the clearance to know about any such program or its goals.
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MagusTheLofty Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
Hasn't the FBI been spying on us since the 50s? The internet just made it easier. Well the internet and the Patriot Act.
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:iconcosmic--chaos:
Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Sadly, yes.
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Shidaku Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
Alright...so reasonably speaking, that's a metric fucktonne of data, and then some. Not to mention the volume of new data being generated every second. Even the best search and filter algorithms in the world will still take a considerable amount of time to process that information. Even when processed and filtered for key words such as "terrorism"(hey this post just appeared in this list!) it will need to be re-filtered and eventually analyzed by a real person to see if what they just found is actual terrorist(score another hit!) communications, or simply conversation about terrorism(third time's the charm!) such as this post. Each step of this process will be slower than the first, and all the while for every second an agent takes to review an email, trillions in new data is being generated. It generates a ridiculous backlog of data that will NEVER be fully analyzed.

So while I don't like the idea of the government actually doing this, reasonably speaking, 5 years from now they won't have come even close to processing all the data from last week.
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CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
i somehow doubt that a terrorist would actually send an email with the key words 'terrorism' or 'terrorist' included. I might be wrong, there might be dumb terrorists out there, but a word filter that looks for such words would hardly make much sense. Lets see...

Dear ari, our terrorist group is meeting at the railway station on Friday to commit an act of terrorism. Please put on your terrorist outfit and meet with your other terrorist friends in the group, so we can celebrate terrorism in style.
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Shidaku Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012
Sometimes being conspicuous is more dangerous than trying to be inconspicuous.

I don't think it would be quite as easy as that, but part of the problem with these "filters" or whatever the hell people are calling them these days is that they can no more rule out the obvious than they can the obscure.

Lets say the letter read:
"Dear Ari, our book club is meeting at the railway station Subway on Friday to discuss Oprah's latest book suggestion. Please put on your book club hat and meet with your other book club friends in the group, so we can celebrate books in style. GLORY TO OPRAH!!!"

It's so blatantly not terrorism it might just very well BE terrorism!
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CouchyCreature Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I doubt that any one piece of information would be a trigger in data-mining, but I don't know too much about it, so I might be wrong.
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defense2 Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012
You know what is funnier. Statue of limitation laws would likely run out in 7/10th if what they find... If you don't die of old age by the time they get to you.

The real issue would be if they categorize it based upon place of origin. Example:

I have three email accounts. This system labked all of these under my name (more likely SSN). Now I choose to become a political leader, the government can look up my SSN and find out that I watched this (insert currently legal porn) on such and such date.

Even if it can't be legally used against me, it can be used as a political means to damage me.


Sadly to keep fighting this is like fighting a title wave three hundred feet tall.

Instead what will happen in the long run is that people will give up caring who cheats in who, who watches (insert immoral or even illegal porn)


We live in a day and age where pimple necked kids can take audio files of politicians and chop them up to sound like their actual speech and then use computer graphics programs to make a video of the politician raping someone.

Give me nuke and give me a few pieces of video footage and I can make the video. Degrade the video to a point that its errors are ereased and now what you have is the voice and the video of someone doing something.

This is achieved even easier if I run the footage through a computer that prints it onto a video cassette tape (old 80s tech) and then back onto a computer so to place the video online.

Scary isn't it?
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:iconpsyopjunkie:
psyopjunkie Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
hi datamining techniques are more sophisticated than search terms.

“It tends to be extraordinarily intrusive,” says Joel Reidenberg, director of the Center on Law and Information Policy at the Fordham University School of Law. “They’ll pick out seemingly innocuous information. Most people wouldn’t think twice about each individual data point, but you can connect the dots,” he says. The result is profiling — by ethnicity, by age, by education and income level. The company profiled in the Times’ article has literally dozens of profiles of types of people.

Read more: [link]
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Shidaku Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
"Sophisticated" means "slow". The more detailed the search(and I'm using search in a very general sense here), the longer it takes. And my point still stands. Even with profiles they're still scanning insane amounts of data, most of which will never realistically get processed in a timely fashion.

They could employ every person in the world in data scanning, and they would never be able to review it all.
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psyopjunkie Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
""Sophisticated" means "slow"."

no. more sophisticated analysis means more lengthy analysis. you are making assumptions about computer resources devoted to the task of analysising every person's data.

"And my point still stands. Even with profiles they're still scanning insane amounts of data, most of which will never realistically get processed in a timely fashion.
They could employ every person in the world in data scanning, and they would never be able to review it all."

no it doesn't. learn what datamining is. you use a known data set to train a computer program to analyse a larger unknown dataset. besides the training, it is an automated process.

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Shidaku Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
I'm not sure what you're not reading here, but you apparently aren't getting what I'm saying and I'm tired of repeating myself.

At some point, a human being needs to see the data. By the time that happens, the amount of new data generated will vastly outnumber the data already processed.
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psyopjunkie Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
In a possible preparation for the ability of the CIA to spy on American citizens with their household items, the NSA’s Utah Data Center is located in the Utah desert in the foot hills of the Wasatch mountain range. This is the centerpiece of the Global Information Grid; a military project that collects yottabytes of data. They are listening to every conversation, reading every post, intercepting every text message under the false flag of terrorism.

The facility has the technological ability to record and analyze every communication in the world. From emails to phone calls to text messages to chats; nothing is private anymore.

Based on “threat Levels” the NSA can use all the technology at their disposal to obtain information on:

* Finances
* Stock transactions
* Business deals
* Foreign military
* Diplomatic secrets
* Legal documents
* Personal civilian communications

This information could be used at Fusion Centers for the DHS to create a more efficient profile on each and every American citizen. The implications are staggering. This ability to collect these types of data are a violation of the 4th Amendment guard against unreasonable searches and seizures. By collecting intelligence on every American citizen, the US government is treating everyone as if they were a potential foreign or domestic terrorist. Whether this assumption is valid or not, under the US constitution, Americans are supposed to be protected from intrusion of government; even if that government is their own.

At the same time the NSA spy center was being constructed, Attorney General Eric Holder new guidelines for the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC). These guidelines will allow the NCTC access to data on American citizens once held under right to privacy. The NCTC will focus on collecting and sharing information; regardless of whether or not there is the threat of terrorism. The will collaborate with local state officials, tribal courts and private partners; as well as the FBI and DHS and other federal agencies.

The Obama administration empowered the NCTC with the authority afforded Obama under Presidential Executive Order 13354. This EO was codified by the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004. The NCTC reports directly to the President and director of National Intelligence as instructed by the President and Department of Homeland Security (DHS). Sen. John McCain was integral in the creation of this combination of military strength and governmental power culminating in all-encompassing tyranny.

Both private and public corporations will be employed to mine the data. Silicon Valley and other technology giants in the private sector will have open access to private information on any and all American citizens.


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:iconpoopgoblyn:
Poopgoblyn Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012
I'm surprised in you, no mention that it's a secret Israeli plot to listen in on our lives?
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Agburanar Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012
The Israelis don't really care about that sort of thing. In fact, they're quite content as long as America dutifully genuflects to their interests and keeps doling out completely unnecessary military aid.
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SpaniardWithKnives Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
It would not surprise me at all. I think all goverments know too much about their citizens. Even if you do not have anything to hide, is scary, but there is nothing you can really do.
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Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Well said. 1984 was a warning, not a blueprint...
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SpaniardWithKnives Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Gosh.., that movie. Things are getting crazier and crazier.
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Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Definitely; it really creeps me out. I re-read the book for the 3rd time when I was 18 and I had nightmares that the thought police were after me.
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SpaniardWithKnives Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
When you think about it, getting into crap is really easy nowadays. When you post a crazy thing on facebook, you do not only risk being unfriended (big deal), but turning on the radars and the paranoia is increasing. My crazyness is so exagerated that is clear is not completely real, is like a Tarantino movie, but yes, I avoid certain sick jokes I used to make before
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Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Sad, but true. I don't have a facebook, though, but that isn't a fail-safe. I am careful on other sites I'm a member of, though.
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Poopgoblyn Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012
Well that's one of the things the guy addressed. Sure, they may have nothing to hide, but what that is is all dependent on the central state. If the government decides that what you used to think was perfectly fine is now illegal, well then you are breaking the law.
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SpaniardWithKnives Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
True. I do not want to think in the fact that we are at the hands of douchebag politicians. There is like an underneath paranoia or something around. I have heard a read (I do not know for sure, maybe is an urban legend), that depending what you post on facebook you can end up with the cops at your door. Ugh...
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SpaniardWithKnives Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
*and
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