I would just like to say, what exactly gave Jews the right to even start the county known as Israel? what exactly gave them the right to forcibly remove Arabs from their homes in what was once the WHOLE of Palestine during the 40s and relocate them so that Jewish settlers could move in. Because the Torah says Jerusalem is the Jewish holy land? Bullshit. And during this relocation what gave the Jews the right to shoot thousands of innocent Arab men, women and children? They've said on more than one occasion that their main goal is to rid Israel and Palestine of Arabs. Don't start this whole Arabs are terrorists crap; they want their goddamn land back; like anyone would.
Which is more racist, to simply retaliate when harmed or threatened, or to vow to completely and totally destroy a race? Think of which side has vowed to remove a race of people from this planet. I'll give you a hint, it has a prophet named Mohammad. He himself is recorded as saying that is is Allah's will to kill them. So who is racist?
Maimonides, Mishnah Torah, (Moznaim Publishing Corporation, Brooklyn, New York, 1990, Chapter 10, English Translation), p. 184: "Accordingly, if we see an idolater (gentile) being swept away or drowning in the river, we should not help him. If we see that his life is in danger, we should not save him."
then you would say "but see also what follows "It is, however, forbidden to cause one of them to sink or push him into a pit or the like, since he is not waging war against us." - does that not show that they are merely trying to preserve themselves, and not wish harm onto others"
and if I quoted websites where israelis killed the children of gentiles, or rabbis who preached such things, you would say "but these are in the minority and do not generalise"
and so it would go on and on. Jew tricks for disarming arguments are overused and apparent. All it does is breed apathy and open hostility. Why do you bother? crawl into your underground nuke city. or is there not enough room for you? perhaps israel has sewers?
I can't find that 'drowning' thing in the original text which only talks about not making a military pact with idolators. The guy who wrote the original did not site any sources to his 'Mishnah Torah' determinations so it seems like you've been had with a tiny touch of truth (i.e. 'pact', which was confused with "peace") embellished with a LOT of made up crap (i.e. made up crap about not helping a drowning gentile). I suggest you lay off blogs and bullshit embellished "translations" as your sources for your "analysis" on mainstream Jewish literature.
p.s. I'm glad you at least tried to keep it mainstream -- only problem is your source wasn't good. You can find the original Mishna-Torah book written by Maimonides here: [link] You can learn more about it here: [link] -- nothing about 'drowning' there either.
like i said your moves are predictable. you'll say that translation is wrong, or that it is a fringe book, and if i said such translations have been found many times in middle ages and caused outrage, you would say it was their own prejudice and they fabricated evidence ... etc. etc.
IT DOES NOT WORK ANYMORE. BIBI SHOWED A CARTOON BOMB AND PEOPLE LAUGHED. PEOPLE WATCH THIS AND CAN'T TELL IT IS SATIRE:
All cultures are racist against outsiders. That is what leads to the wars.
And while the Jewish culture does say to kill unbelievers, when was the last time they set out to kill people in all kinds of countries? When was the last time you heard of them trying to spread their faith by force?
I simply went off of what he posted. I'm trying to point out that there is nothing in the mainstream Jewish culture about killing unbelievers. I'm trying to point out that whatever their holy book may say, they aren't the ones acting on the killing parts.
On top of what you're saying, which is the most important point really, there's a lot of fake material being spread about Jewish texts -- I've found numerous gross misrepresentations spread around by idiots and antisemitic loonies. Examples right in this thread by 'psyopjunkie'. I checked 2 of his quotes and both struck out as falsifications.
No, you can become a member of the Jewish faith. It is only that among the Jewish community, you are automatically considered a Jew if your mother was. Using this, Hitler was actually a Jew since his mother was. How's that for some self hatred?
Years later a major Zionist, who happened to have been a block commander in the Warsaw ghetto and helped organize the deportations, was spotted on the streets of Tel Aviv by one Jew who survived his work, and took the opportunity dispatch his former tormentor to the lower regions.
There was a big trial of course, where all kinds of nasty things came out about how some of the best Jew killers were welcomed with open arms by the early Zionists, as long as they had helped kill Orth0dox Jews who opposed them. All this is virtually unknown in the U.S. then, and now.
"It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah." Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5
It would be a miracle if it was in the Torah, since Christianity didn't exist at the time ><
I don't know if any of it is in the Talmud (which I doubt it)... but lucky for you and other "kofrim" only very orthodox Jewish people read that and again lucky for Palestinians they usually don't go to the army... they just sit all day reading the Talmud, Torah and other similar things and if they are finally taking some action is actually yelling at Jewish people to become more religious and keep the sabbath....
I do think Jewish people can be distance and some can be racist... but just like any other nation can be too... usually they don't take it to the extreme and call for the killing of a nation.
"lucky for Palestinians they usually don't go to the army..."
On Purim, Feb. 25, 1994, Israeli army officer Baruch Goldstein, an orthodox Jew from Brooklyn, massacred 40 Palestinian civilians, including children, while they knelt in prayer in a mosque. Goldstein was a disciple of the late Brooklyn Rabbi Meir Kahane, who told CBS News that his teaching that Arabs are "dogs" is derived "from the Talmud." (CBS 60 Minutes, "Kahane").
Yes one of them did... there was another one who killed Arabs in the bus... but those are individuals who decided to that by themselves... very very sad and those were terrible people, there was no organization that send them to that.
we can argue infinite times about it, that doesn't change the fact that terror mainly comes from Muslim extremist and not only in Israel... recently India suffer from it too... If you already brought the topic.
fake terror attacks by Israel and india to make muslims look bad.
"Many Israeli teams were involved in 9/11 and the twin tower attack was entirely an Israeli action with our military and intelligence services denying involvement. This is not my opinion, this is official."
"26/11 wasn’t the work of Pakistani terrorists; it was the work of Israel’s international mass murder organization, the Mossad. Assistance was provided by its ever-present network of sayanim, its incestuous partner in crime, the CIA and India’s intelligence service, RAW. As is the case with any other terror attack that is carried out by Mossad and despicably and falsely attributed to Muslims, the 26/11 false flag served the interests of the illegitimate Israeli entity and the Zionist-occupied United States government; due to the location of the attack, the brutal Hindutva regime of India benefitted substantially."
Given the trouble it would take to properly vet any Palestinian to meet all the security requirements, I con understand the reason for excluding them. How would you go about proving the the Palestinian you just hired isn't going to sneak in some sort of explosive to attempt to kill both Israelis and Americans? Also, given the tensions and history between those two groups, can your ever see them trusting each other?
It will take far more than just a random youtube video to take you seriously. There are so many conspiracy theory videos out there that I can't take any of them seriously. I mean really, people see a video of a know scientific phenomena and start trying to use it to prove that the government is prevent us from have anti-gravity systems.
Instead, link me to several different sites, that are rather without bias, that all corroborate each other I will start listening. Until then, all I have to do is talk to my cousin who was shot at, blown up, and just harassed any time he went outside the wire. And this also happened to him when he was guarding people handing out food. So, again, which culture not has a history of violence, but has their leaders encouraging it against innocents?
No, you have made the claim, you must prove it. It is not my job to find evidence to back up your claims, it is my job to find evidence tearing apart your claims. So, if you want me to accept that the claim that the Jews are framing the Palestinian people for the terror acts that occur in Israel, then provide me the proof. This is Arguing 101. The person that makes a claim must provide the evidence or proof of the claim, or else risk losing credibility.
Also, I'm amazed you aren't attacking them for wanting to build the bunker in the first place. Or are you accepting the fact that an Islamic country is doing everything it can to use nuclear weapons to destroy Israel? And notice, Iran isn't even considering what direction the trade winds and jet streams will take the fallout.
I don't think they get paid but yeah ... they are an equal employer in that respect ... targeting women and children too.
we know that Israeli snipers DO target Palestinian children as a matter of de facto policy. British Medical Journal documented more than 600 sniper-murders of children by Israeli soldiers here. That article begins:
"Does the death of an Arab weigh the same as that of a US or Israeli citizen? The Israeli army, with utter impunity, has killed more unarmed Palestinian civilians since September 2000 than the number of people who died on September 11, 2001. In conducting 238 extrajudicial executions the army has also killed 186 bystanders (including 26 women and 39 children). Two thirds of the 621 children (two thirds under 15 years) killed at checkpoints, in the street, on the way to school, in their homes, died from small arms fire, directed in over half of cases to the head, neck and chest—the sniper's wound. Clearly, soldiers are routinely authorised to shoot to kill children in situations of minimal or no threat."