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Why do so many people in the US believe in socialism?

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micorasol Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I've been reading and writing on this forum for a while and I've noticed that many people in the United States honestly believe in socialism (or social state, which is similar). It's kinda surprising for me. I mean, you live in a country that is a world's superpower because of being a free-market capitalistic state since its beginning and that have economically defeated almost all the commies.

I personally live in one of those former commiestates and since I was born, I see the real effects of socialism. So I just wanted to clear some things up.

Socialist claim all people in socialism are equal and have basic needs provided by the state. Well, theoretically - yes. Practically - it's not so nice. There is a nice quote about socialism: all animals are equal but some are more equal. In fact, socialism makes 99% of the society an underclass or workers and 1% of the society their rulers. Moreover, that dream of having all basic needs provided is only a dream. In Eastern bloc countries, buying a toilet paper was a major achievement. All the time socialistic economies were suffering from lacks of supply. This: [link] is a Polish 'kartka' from the January 1989 - some kind of bond used by the government to regulate demand. Each Polish citizen was allowed to buy only as much meat/milk/toilet paper/gas/bread/etc. as was written on his/her 'kartka'. This particular 'kartka' allowed him/her to buy 2.5 kg (5.5 lb) of meat a month. Not only a citizen needs were limited by the government but also actually buying this small portion was quite hard. This is a famous photo from the 80s showing Polish meat shop: [link] You can see there is almost no meat - nothing surprising in socialistic economy. Another famous photo from Poland in the 80s: [link] Those people are not waiting for the newest iPhone, they're waiting for toilet paper. Lacks of supply in those socialistic heavens were so frequent that Polish people needed humanitarian aid from (that's ironically) the Western countries, described by the socialist as 'a hell where working-class is persecuted by the greedy capitalists'.

But it wasn't only Poland. Czechoslovakia was in top ten of the wealthiest countries in the world before IIWW, far wealthier than adjacent Austria, and because it was not destroyed during that war, in 1946 it were even few positions higher. In 1989 the same Czechoslovakia was a poor cousin of Mozart's motherland. Eastern part of Germany was much wealthier than the south part in the past but after II World War East Germany went under Russian sphere of influence while South Germany (Bavaria in particular) went under capitalistic American administration. Any effects? Bavaria is currently one of the wealthiest regions in Europe while former GDR is suffering poverty and social exclusion. Not to mention Ukraine, that, because of its great soil, was called 'Europe's silo' and under great socialistic management suffered from hunger.

What was the origin of that problems? Well, the most important one, alongside centralism, was development of a 'a new human being', as the socialists claimed. According to propaganda, it was a new man, proud of being part of a worldwide working class. In reality, there was no working class. That 'new human being' is currently called 'homo sovieticus' and used as a perfect example of destroying effects of the socialism to the society. People born and raised in Eastern bloc are unable and not willing to manage their lives. Although they supposedly are part of a working class, they actually do not work. It's a proverb in Polish: czy się stoi, czy się leży, tysiąc złotych się należy which means no matter if you stand, no matter if you lie (on bed), you still get your pay-check paid. This is a metaphor perfectly describing socialistic way of live - the state provided everything (starting with kindergarten for your kids, by free apartments ending with state pension), no matter if someone is working hard or not. Moreover, working hard doesn't give you anything more because all money you earn you spend on taxes to support those one who don't work. That's where do those lacks of supply come from - people soon discovered that there is no point in working. People are indifferent, they don't care about the others (there is no charity, no non-governmental organisations, no neighbourhood watch etc. - basically there is no private initiative), are obedient to the government and its actions. Public property is disrespected because if it belongs to the state, it belongs to no one so petty theft are common.


So, my question is, if you have seen socialism failing, why do you still believe in it?
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COMMANDER9 Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2013
I think that American's are "getting tired" of capitalism "biting them in the ***".
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TheDayTripper Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013
as vulture capitalism continues to eat our country alive, asshats continue to say that americans believe in socialism........I wish to God that we had the choice and technology to live off-world.
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meanus Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2013
I wish you could too
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Jaegerofice Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2013
Socialism? Huh I though they favored Social Democrazy, you know same thing but with democrazy and with out the whole people revolution, cause that would pretty soon turn into elitist ruled communism(which it essentially is Socialism but with elite leading the mass and not masses, leading mass).
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Cindertwig Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2013
I live in the oh so horrible socialist wasteland known as Sweden. I would surf more but we don't have internet here and I must clean the water so I can drink it.
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micorasol Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Sweden has lower spendings on social welfare (16,7%) than the US (23%), according to the IMF.
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Cindertwig Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2013
Can you link it I can't seem to find the article. Does it also specify what kind of welfare that the money is spent on?
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treegarchie Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Hahaha, Sweden is like the epitome of all hatred because every time the media talks about things going wonderfully well, they compare us to Sweden (I'm French) always! Scandinavian countries always win, even the people are better looking! It's hard to live with :D (We have better weather *consolation*)
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meanus Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2013
yeah, they are all white!!!
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Cindertwig Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2013
To be fair weather counts for a lot (The weather really sucks here).
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