You know, I swear you republicans have been accusing Obama of being a dictator so often that you guys have forgotten what actually constitutes a dictatorship. One little tax and suddenly you think he's trying to take over the world or something.
What's wrong with people like you is that no amount of truth will ever be enough to get you to think "oh hey, I might in fact be at least the tiniest bit wrong"
it's not the party, its the mentality, it just so happens that the republican party has devolved into this cesspool of people so infatuated with being told they're right facts don't work on them.
So sir, you go off on your tangent about how Obama is apparently the devil and what have you, for whatever reasons, we all know for a fact that the whole reason your "party" is so butthurt about Obama winning isn't because you think he's socialist, it isn't because you think he's a muslim, or dictator, or atheist, or anything that contradicts the LAST thing you said he was (how can he be a muslim and an atheist? what? ) it's because he's black.
let me rephrase that for you, because no it's not even that, I'll be the first to say it's not even racism that's got your panties in a bunde. It's because he's the embodiment your worst nightmare come true, a normal man who is having success by working hard.
So I don't really have an argument for you, just GET OVER IT.
I love how you blocked me so I couldn't reply. just FYI, it makes you look like you don't know what you're talking about, which in this case is very true. Now as I was typing before I figured out you blocked me (yes, there is a Socially Awkward penguine plz, and I made it )
-------- case in point (especially since you blocked me wow), facts do not phase your idiocy (and you run from them obviously).
If you'd actually read what I said nowhere did I say you where racist, I mentioned people of your party might be but that wasn't the conclusion I came to. the conclusion I came to was that "you're mad (or the majority of you guys are mad) that a regular guy is gaining success through hard work, your worst nightmare" has nothing to do with racism. Either that or it's a reading comprehension issue. I think the latter of the two problems you might have had trying to wrap your head around what I wrote I'm pretty certain on.
and how pray tell did you get from that that I was racist of all things deary? you must be off your medication.
but needless to say keep proving my point, I'm listening
The fact that you even feel the need to bring up race or anything else as a potential ulterior motive for my posts or the actions of the Republican Party shows you're not listening and are making racist assumptions. It also shows you're so buried in the media spin that no amount of factual information or data about the failures of socialism could get through to you.
You're living in the left-wing spin-world where France and Norway are the most successful nations in the world, rich people don't pay any taxes, and every dollar the federal government spends is wealth created for the country. There's no way to puncture that bubble until you're willing to admit the media sources you've been following have been lying their asses off to get Obama every bit of power he craves.
but more to the point, I voted him because I'm for human rights, that includes Marriage equality, gender equality, but more importantly equality when it comes to health care.
Obama has effectively ended this needless war we've been having, Romney would have kept it going, bombed Iran and gotten us into WWIII.
Aside from my fear of WWIII at the hands of republicans, there's that melting ice cap thing yeah? and aside from that, I don't want to spend 3.40$ a gallon everytime I refuel my car, I like the Chevy Volt and other Electric Vehicles that have been popping up.
With solar recharging stations I would be able to travel the entire United states for Free. how bout that? we need to subsidize that industry, Obama's doing it, that's why i voted for him.
I voted for him because I believe in equal rights for immigrant's children that have lived here all their life and know no other home.
I voted for him because I want state parks instead of Fracking areas. I want wildlife not shopping malls. there is a THRIVING solar power industry in Germany, why can't the US have that?
I voted for him because I believe in the United States of America, not some ideologues version of it.
So stop, really think about the state of the world. it's not the same one as in 1900, like I said we ACTUALLY HAVE the power to destroy it, like end of days kinda shit. Nukes kinda disaster story.
this kind of power is something that can't go to some blithering idiot who only wants to be elected because "God told him", we need someone who actually fucking KNOWS what he's doing. THAT is why I voted for Obama.
So get off your pulpit and go sit at the kids table, let the grownups talk.
And yet you're apparently against one of the most important human right of all- property rights. [link]
You're against economic growth. You're against growth in prosperity for all classes of people. You're against more equal distributions of wealth, and national stability. You're against the human rights that you claim to be for- because you don't support property rights, and you cannot keep any right without your property rights.
Nukes, the fact that they exist freaking gives me nightmares. it isn't global warming, even abandoned mine drainage that freaks me out, those feel more fixable than dropping an A-Bomb and starting a nuclear war.
Idk I just thought I'd say that, because it seems like such a bigger problem than what the two parties are fighting over in the US.
Just think about it for a second, the culmination of all the "honor" that we thought war was was ultimate destruction.
it kinda eats at the back of your mind until you decide "you know what matters most? being human."
I think that's why I voted for Obama, the other canditate would have gotten us nuked.
you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. lol
I sir or madame am not a socialist.
but for the sake of argument, it's that way because the last time a nuke was used in war NOONE HAD NUKES BUT US! I wonder why it didn't destroy the world then HMMMMM.
but no, that wasn't what I was getting at. I feel arguing with republicans is like arguing with a two year old, because they keep changing the subject like you and your socialism. only a two year old would just say "but you're stupid!" instead of "but you're a socialist!".
but I digress, if you'd have actually read past "you know what bothers me? nukes" you would have realized the reason I used that as an example.
I was saying such things because nukes didn't exist in the era your politics seem to stem from, no-one was worried about them, and as such their primary concern wasn't their lives, it was their money, because back then nothing larger than life threatened their way of life so it was a given they had rights.
today not so much, and the reason I gave nukes as an example is because you can destroy the world with nukes today. Guess who I don't want behind the button when the time comes to say "yay or nay" whether or not to "fire the missiles"? some dumbfuck republican who has a one track mind and is only in it for the money and not basic human needs and life.
So naturally you're confused about todays politics because they don't fit into the fairy tale land you've constructed for yourself that still says you're living in the victorian era and we still have uses for fucking bayonetts.
so like I said get back to reality, you know 2012, look at the world around you, and shut up and let the grownups talk, unless you want to grow up and realize there's an entirely different world out there than the one cooked up for you by Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh.
This is clever but the exact sort of clever thing that should be kept very far away from the halls of government.
Of course your magical ability to never post without being as over the top as possible has everyone essentially fighting over the labels in your post, while the fact nugget that makes up its core is a bit chilling if nothing else.
And no, by this point it's really not their fault. It's well within an author's power to alter how they present information, especially when they engage the same audience as often as you do.
The audience I'm engaging doesn't respect liberty or the limits of power. They see no evil when Obama is in power. If I deliberately toned-down this post, it would be passed over and dismissed as insignificant. They trust Obama way too much to be concerned. At least this way, I got a bunch of people paying attention, even if right now they're lashing out.
But they're not paying attention to the message, they're paying attention to all the crap you've covered the message with. What discussion there is in this thread has centered around that instead of the actual message. This happens with all of your posts. As far as writing strategies go, this seems to be a self defeating one.
His demands are just turning into an authoritarian shopping list. I don't think it's possible to avoid a damaging outcome at this point. The most important thing right now is that the Republicans only pass measures that can be undeniably pinned on Obama and undone later. Elimination of the debt ceiling doesn't fit into that category.
It would be rather amusing to see him join North Korea and ene up finding himself participating in mass games celebrating Kim 'the Great Leader (and also the Eternal President)' Il-Sung and Kim 'the Beloved Leader' Jong-Il.
Do you think that America will become equal to North Korea overnight? The American people will never tolerate that. So it will be a slow progression over many many many years. Tons of little steps that are not all that noticable but they are all in the same direction. So no, America as of December, 2012 is not equal to North Korea, but give it enough time and it very well could be. Our constitution and civil liberties have been erroded for years and theres no sign of it being stopped because people keep saying "its not that bad, were not North Korea!" It probably wont happen in our lifetime, but its definately on the right track for it to happen at some point.
People have been saying that for decades yet it hasn't happened. What do you think the people of the wild west said when governments started to assert themselves in the newly gained territories? You think they spouted the same rhetoric about government controlling their lives, tyranny and all that rubbish? People are always making the same bold claims and always they are being shown incorrect.
if your going to try and tell me we have the same liberties today that our grandparents and great grandparents had im going to have to disagree. when we have congressmen standing up and saying that federal government can and should do whatever it wants irrespective of the constitution, id say we are in a bad place.
Yes,in the past, America has made awful, horrific mistakes in regards to the rights of certain groups. Ones that we should neither condone nor forget. In some cases, this country is still making those mistakes and it needs to be curtailed, but thats a different story. Im not talking about specific groups of people, here. Im talking about every citizen regardless of race or religion or anything at all. What is happening is happening to ALL of us, and we should be concerned with the evergrowing power and presence of the government.
Oh so persecution doesn't matter if it's against a minority? Bullshit. If rather than a black person, a white person experienced the same discrimination back then, would you be dismissing it as "a different story"? Like hell you would. Targetted persecution by the state and general persecution are the same thing. Both are bad, infact the former is worse.
In the past the Us has forcefully relocated people, been involved in detention without trial, forced conscription, excessive taxation and a variety of other actions that remove people's freedoms but none have caused a tyranny. Vigilance is not the same as hyperbole. Rights ARE being curtailed in the USA but to claim this is the worst time in history or even bad in comparison to other developed nations is laughable. If it was really an important issue, it would get into government. The debt became a big issue and suddenly you have Republicans in Congress fighting almost exclusively about debt. If people got angry enough that they were losing freedoms them you would see government change.
The state is obliged to protect your rights but it's still up to the general populace to be vigilant and demand changes if the state imposes itself too much.
When I said "thats a different story" it means its a totallly different topic then what Im alking about here. Im not dismissing it, Im dismissing the de-railment of the conversation into something its not.
This conversation is NOT about the slave trade This conversation is NOT about internment camps during WWII This conversation is NOT about Jim Crow laws. This conversation is NOT about the Indian Wars.
Your attempt to turn into a conversation about these things is what Im dismissing, not the crimes themselves.
Now that we have gotten that cleared up...
You underestimate the apathy and memory loss of the average American voter. Combined with the fact that Americans baisically vote for who they see the most of on TV rather then what they are actually saying, and you have very little chance of stopping the machine. Hell,they elected man 18 times who says "there are very few constitutional limits that would prevent the federal government from affecting your private life."
I'm trying to figure out how Obama is more dictatorial than Bush. Or how Romney would have been better in this regard.
You know very well that executive power has increased exponentially. And the American populace has been all for it! They expect presidents to fix the economy, end wars and keep them safe by fiat, after all.
How about all the times Obama sent drone attacks to murder people without due process including a 16 year old American who was completely innocent. [link] This is not about taxes but about life and death.
Obama's actions are an extension of Bush's War on Terror; that American had been on the 'terrorist' lists for years before Obama took office, if I recall correctly. And Romney certainly didn't promise an end to drone attacks either.
Also because Congress would never have given that sort of legislative power to George W. Bush. But put a black man in the White House, and suddenly all bets are off. Any limits on his power are "racist," according to most of the major media companies.
I'm not inventing a conspiracy. I'm quoting the media. You're the one who applied the term "conspiracy." Do you think it qualifies as a conspiracy when groups of journalists are caught plotting on the JournoList forum to spin everything the Republicans do as racist?
Clearly that was a conspiracy. Of course, unlike how Fox News (largest news broadcaster in the country) is essentially a wing of the Republican party, I can't seem to find much suggesting JournoList to have been quite as pervasive in the media as you suggest, what with it only having a roster of about 400 members or so, and dead. Not to mention, I question if they really 'spun everything the Republicans do as racist.' Either way, you do seem to love accusing black people of 'reverse racism.'